Topic started by Bharathiyar (@ wc10.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on Sun Feb 2 09:02:35 .
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Tamil and Malayalam. Are they of the the same dravidian stock or are they lightyears away from each other. Can malayalam be called "just a dialect" or a language with it's roots grown in Tamil and Sanskrit and which has developed over time ? Was kerala a part of the "Tamil Homeland" hundreds of years ago or was it of an independent entity ? Indian Tamils and Malayalee brothers please respond.

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• From: pavarghese (@ 66-126-23-107.healthcarepartners.com) on: Sat Nov 6 19:44:12
  
  Both are same boss
  
  
• From: Nanmaaran (@ ppp68-231.dsl-mdu.eth.net) on: Mon Nov 8 01:52:38 EST 2004
  
  Tamil is the mother of Malayalam and not simply sister or brother
  
  
• From: Sonny (@ h-67-101-124-220.miatflad.dynamic.covad.net) on: Tue Nov 9 18:11:09 EST 2004
  
  
  
  According to evidences, Both Sanskrit and pazham thamizh gave Birth to Malayalam.
  
  But not in 10th century. Vazhapalli inscription of 830 AD is oldest written record of Malayalam.
  
  Oldest written record is an inscription. Inscriptions are for people to read.So Malayalam's origin probably is in 500 AD.
  
  In the beginning
  
  
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-mtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Nov 11 19:57:59 EST 2004
  
  Sanskirit was born from 40%Thamizh and Parakatham(Prakrit) and 15% Old Indo European roots and other percentage of other languages. Malayalam has more Thamizh in it than any other languages. The only difference is that Keralities use different scribt to write! Otherwise its Thamizh just being little corrupted.
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ cache-mtc-ae05.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Nov 11 19:59:01 EST 2004
  
  //Oldest written record is an inscription. Inscriptions are for people to read.So Malayalam's origin probably is in 500 AD. //
  CHERARS were living here during 500 AD and Chera Generations, the THAMIZH generations still live in Kerala!
  
  
• From: Srini (@ ppp76-113.dsl-chn.eth.net) on: Fri Nov 12 02:45:51 EST 2004
  
  MOST OF THE TAMIL WORDS ARE USED IN MALAYALAM BUT THE MEANING WILL BE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
  
  I AM A PALAKKAD TAMILIAN
  
  
• From: Srini (@ ppp76-113.dsl-chn.eth.net) on: Fri Nov 12 02:48:31 EST 2004
  
  MOST OF THE TAMIL WORDS ARE USED IN MALAYALAM BUT THE MEANING WILL BE ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.
  
  I AM A PALAKKAD TAMILIAN
  
  FOR EG.
  
  AVASARAM - TAMIL URGENT - MALAYALAM OPPORTUNITY
  
  ADHYAVASHYAM - TAMIL NEED - MALAYALAM URGENT.
  
  THERE ARE NUMBER OF EXAMPLES,
  
  SO MERGING OF THESE TWO LANGUAGES IS NOT POSSIBLE PEOPLE WILL BE CONFUSED.
  
  
• From: v (@ 202.159.224.76) on: Fri Nov 12 06:31:04 EST 2004
  
  I think people do not know basik technique to understand what is Tamil and what is sanskrit.the above post contains both sanskrit terms and palakkad brahmins often called as Talayali for their Tamil usages use sanskrit freely and misunderstand the same as Tamil.
  Avasaram is nerukkadi/ikkattu/viraivu in Tamil.
  Adhyavashyam-mikka thevaiyana.
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ ac84b596.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Nov 12 22:14:00 EST 2004
  
  Some Thamizh Words That are in Malayalam.
  
  Suntharam(T); Suntharam(M): Beautiful
  Nin(T); Nin(M) : You or yours
  Makan(T); mOnae(M) : Son
  Number systems are said used alike in Malayalam like it is in Thamizh.
  The word Malayalam has the root 'Malai'(T) : Mountain.
  Many Town Names are in Thamizh, look at 'Kozhikode,' 'Thiruvanandapuram'(The Capital City of Chera Nadu(aka Kerala). There are alot of things that can be given as an example. In another word Malayalam is one kind of Thamizh Accent with little corrupted Thamizh.
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ ac84b596.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Nov 12 22:15:10 EST 2004
  
  //Makan(T); mOnae(M) : Son //
  
  Makan --> MakanAe ---> mOnae
  
  
• From: black (@ 24.109.128.230) on: Sat Nov 13 12:15:36 EST 2004
  
  Actually the problem with whole tamil culture. The discussion is all surrounding brahmins-non brahmins, aryans, dravids, hinduism , vedas, thirukural, anti-hindi, white, black.
  Actually Tamils are inferior in all the subjects, they have no history, no culture, no good langauge so all these trouble, and so is this forum. Tamil is basically a rogue community, that is the reason they keep on fighting among themselves, with neighbours like srilanka,karnataka, kerala, with country like india. with white skinned people, with brahmins etc etc.
  No one can help these dirty pigs.
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ ac9a72d2.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Nov 13 16:13:38 EST 2004
  
  Mr. Black you sound so similar to that Buddhist monk who summarized the 1,500 years history of Eezham and wrote mahavamsa or w/e vamsa it was. Thamizhans are against brahmin supermacist like those who refuse to do poosai in Thamizh and praise Sanskirit in the Thamizh soil and Temple while living off the Thamizhans wealth!
  
  Mr. Black, let me ask you something, If I were to slap you, would you show me your other cheek? What if I slap on that one too? You'd let me beat you to death with my hands? Obviously you won't, if you do though you would not be living on this World. The Singhalese subdued Thamizhars and killed and kill Thamizhars. You think LTT just came out of nowhere to rescue Thamizhars? How do you think it got stronger? Because it acted to defend Thamizhars from Singhalese and other anti-Thamizh sources. If Thamizhans are pigs as you claim, I don't know which I should associate you and anti-Thamizh with.
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ ac9a72d2.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Nov 13 16:23:31 EST 2004
  
  India it self has Thamizhans of Thamizh Nadu enslaved with less right and with no water! Thamizh Nadu should gain Independance from so called Indian Union.
  
  
• From: davie (@ chmrs5) on: Sun Nov 14 13:31:07 EST 2004
  
  lol nedunchezian u just saw some stupid website an u say indian union and kannada union.
  u should know about indian mentality. It is all the same all over india. who ever it is theywill be much reserved and self centered.
  srilankan tamil are good in this aspect.
  i had many srilankan tamil friends and all of them were good
  
  
• From: davie (@ pc-i63h1uewfk8z) on: Sun Nov 14 17:00:45 EST 2004
  
  i am not here to convice u people. after all u are no one for me. u can assume what ever u want and folllow any bulshi website like that nedunchelian.
  i am here to learn things. things that i think are really really interesting.
  i can crack this issue.u cant.
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ ac953185.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Nov 14 22:04:27 EST 2004
  
  //lol nedunchezian u just saw some stupid website an u say indian union and kannada union.//
  Stop talking nonsense fool! Lets not get into philosophy. If we do then first of all we shouldn't be talking anything. Second of all you don't know nothing about the hindi dominant in Thamizh Nadu. Why don't you disprove what I have said here and also the things that I referred to the Thamizh Tribune website? Prove us wrong Davie. Obviously you won't be able to unless you do some big change. Do not talk as if the so called Indian Union is the holy shrine to all.
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ ac953185.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Nov 14 22:04:47 EST 2004
  
  I could list all things that are dominated from Thajmahal being the wonder to Thanjavur Temple missing its creator statue to Thamizh Nadu Fisherman death to Hindi dominant on Thamizh Nadu to Bollywood get bonus from so called Central Government of India and how non-hindis are subdued and dominated by hindis and the lands that Thamizhans has lost since the so called Independance of Indian Union! The heck with Maghatma Gandhi and the heck with the so called Indian Union!
  
  
• From: davie (@ tandon-lpt) on: Mon Nov 15 14:54:50 EST 2004
  
  nedunchelian why do u say hindi dominant???
  people who are born in tamilnadu will ALWAYS feel proud to be tamilian. for instance, dsimran was born and bought up in tn, so obviously she is a tamilian and has the same mentality as we tamilians. Most ofthe north indians dont know much about TN and vice versa
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ ac8001e1.ipt.aol.com) on: Mon Nov 15 17:55:33 EST 2004
  
  Simran? ahah! Yes Simran speak English, Gushbhu speak English...they seem to know Thaminglish! Well done.
  
  //nedunchelian why do u say hindi dominant???//
  Why do I say hindi dominant? Because 40% of the MPs of so called Indian Union are Hindis! Because even though Thamizh Nadu is called as Thamizh Nadu...its not a country and its a state and even for communicating inside the state the Thamizhans are enforced with Hindi interm of Government Offices etc. We fly the 'Ashoka' wheel Flag...who the heck care about his wheel? We symbolize 'lion' symbol of Ashokan. Pardon me but I think we have 'Tiger,' from Chozhars, Fish from Pandiyars, 'Bow' from Cherars and more symbols from our background! Although some ppl say Hindi isn't the offical language, there are some special rights to Hindi and beside if 40% of MPs are hindis, you think there will be no hindi-dominion? I could list lot of things.
  
  
• From: Mraj (@ ) on: Wed Dec 1 05:34:57
  
  Dear friends, it is the human instinct to have a bias towards his own region, religion and langauge. A much broad minded person who comes out of these feelings are the great philosophers. Tamil or Malayalam or kannada or telugu would have perhaps originated from the same base which may be mixture of all these. Even inside tamil nadu there are lot of differences in words usage and spoken tamil. If this is the scenario, there is no wonder in a principal langauge taking different shapes in different region.
  
  As per the historical evidences the origin and the scripts in tamil dates back to atleast 2000 years ago. Malayalam as a script has evidences after 1000 AD. So what i feel is a part of the ancient tamil (which is similar to malayalam) with infusion of sanskrit would have brought malayalam.
  
  

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