Destruction of the Mylapore Original Kapaleeswarar Temple and the Santhome church
Topic started by mmc (@ netcache.spectranet.com) on Sun Dec 29 11:04:49 .
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A protestant FHr had earlier requested that i bringout with evidence the atrocities committed by the Roman Catholics in Tamilnadu , including the destruction of the original Kapaleeswarar Temple at Mylapore and the building of Santhome church over it, the destruction of the Vedapureeswarar Temple in Pondicherry with the assistance of the French, the forceful conversion of the Tamil fishermen in kanyakumari district and else where under the direct supervision of Saint(?!)Xavier , who forced the Gaon Insuisition, as to how the Travancore Raja was paid a ransom money and as to how Xavier was granted freedom to convert the hapless Fishermen when they were already hardpressed with the muslims at sea.
Today, by the grace of Jesus Christ, the preacher of Hinduism among the Semetics(which was lateron twisted by the clergy and the aberration was institutionalised into vaious churches), I found out a Website containing this material:
"...It is clearly the fabrication of the Portuguese to camouflage their destruction of the Hindu Temple of Kapaleeswara which was situated on the seashore, probably at the very place where Santhome Church now stands. The great Saivite saint of sixth century A.D., Tirujnanasambandar, sings in the 6th Poompavai Padikam Thevaram:
The Lord of Kapaleeswaram sat watching the people of Mylapore
A place full of flowering coconut palms
Taking ceremonial bath in the sea on the full moon day of the month of Masai.
In the same strain sings Arunagirinathar, who came to Mylapore in 1456, in his Tirumayilai Tiruppugazh:
O Lord of Mailai (Mylapore) temple, situated on the shores of the sea with raging waves ...
This clear and indisputable evidence gives the lie to the legend that the Portuguese invented to hide their nefarious work. The Portuguese domination of Mylapore was from 1522 to 1697, by which time the British had established themselves in the Fort St. George and adjoining territories, and the Portuguese had to withdraw to Goa where their empire lasted till 1962. In Goa their rule was noted for a spree of destruction of Hindu temples and persecution of the Goanese, so much so that large sections of them had to flee that territory and settle all along the west coast of India. They are the Gauda Saraswats. The fate of these Goanese would have overtaken the temples and the people of Madras also, a foretaste of which contingency they got in the destruction of the holy Kapaleeswara Temple. Thanks to the British domination of the region and the consequent elimination of the Portuguese, this tragic fate did not overtake them. The British had more political maturity and diplomatic perception, which helped them perceive that trade was more important for themselves than religious propaganda. And so they kept an attitude of indifference towards the religion and religious edifices of the people in whose midst they carried on their trading activities, which eventually led to the establishment of a political empire.
The destruction of the seashore Temple of Kapaleeswara is said to have taken place in 1561. The new temple at its present site, about one km. to the west, was built by pious Hindu votaries about three hundred years ago, i.e., about two hundred and fifty years after its destruction. When the Santhome Church was repaired in the beginning of the current century, many stones with edicts were found there. Among them one mentions Poompavai, the girl whom Tirujnanasambandar is said to have miraculously revived from her ashes kept in an urn.
These are all matters of the forgotten past. Both the Kapaleeswara Temple and the Santhome Church are now thriving and catering to the spiritual needs of the Hindus and the Christians. In such a situation it is better not to rake up the memories of these unpleasant facts. According to forward-looking people many things of the past are better forgotten than remembered and ruminated upon. The history of the Kapaleeswara Temple and Santhome Church belongs to this category...."
More details can be had from this website:
http://hamsa.org/StThomas_Chapt_3.htm
P.S: I dont intend to create another Babri masjid type of controversy.Let the church stand there as it is.
However, Tamils may be allowed on auspicious days to recite the Tevaram Songs in the church peacefully and in total adherence to the church rules.
Let this Santhome church become a meeting point for the Tamils and the Christians.If at all the church establishment feel remorseful of this past destruction, they can rectify it by allowing a small statue of "Poompavai".As per this legend, at the place where the santhome church stands today, Thirugnana Sambandar was said to have resurrected a girl with the blessings of the Lord Kapaleeswarar.
This particular day can be celeberated by the Priests and Nuns of the Santhome church too and this will go a long way in promoting the communal harmony in Tamilnadu.
Santhome Church uraiyum Sivan adi thozhuthu - anbudan,
~mummudicholan~
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- From: mmc (@ netcache.spectranet.com)
on: Tue Jan 7 10:15:25
Kumar's friend called Malar,
Ellaraiyum RSS kuttayil (kuttaiya, kulir neerodaya enbathai kalam mudivu seiyum ammani!) thalli vittathey ungala mathiri fanatically blind christians enbathai maranthudatheenga madam!!
Kumar,
As i have already mentioned to Santa, I dont want to argue with you.
I knew that those websites contained material against Roman Catholics.Thats why earlier while writing about St.Xavier, i just reproduced the relevant portions from the Protestant and other sites.
BUt all our friends asked me to post postings with the links from which i took out those excerpts.Moreso, i couldnt resist obliging our Punnahai when the request was made to post postings with cross references which can be verified by all.
Many Christians here hate RSS and other Hindutva organisations as they feel that they are spreading anti-christian feelings among Hindus.Similarly, most of us are hating the church which has in the past and at present spreading hatread against the non-christianised communities around the world and is advocating destruction of our Tamil culture and civilisation.
I dont abuse anyone when they criticise RSS and other Hindutva organisations.I expect a similar civilised behaviour from the christians here.
I feel pained because of your silence( i mean somewhat less-fanatical christians like milton,punnahai etc ).Whenever Milton or Punnahai has been abused , we have come to the rescue.
Your silence tantamounts to encouragement/abetment of the filthy abuses heaped on us when we chose to criticise the church using the most civilised language.Infact i found that you all are sadistically happy that we are being abused.
This is the reason i got annoyed with MIlton.Otherwise , I still hold that Milton and you and Punnahai are some of the best human beings excepting in matters concerning your faith which blinds you all and make you behave like hoodlums.
Unmaiyana anbudan,
~mummudicholan~
P.S: REg your querry on 'anbudan', sometime out of affection we slap our younger brother to make them behave properly and which will in the longer run make them better human beings.So you can take my 'anbu' to be of that type, if you find my posts objectionable.
- From: Kumar (@ myangup0.connect.com.au)
on: Tue Jan 7 18:07:01
mmc
>>REg your querry on 'anbudan', sometime out of affection we slap our younger brother to make them behave properly and which will in the longer run make them better human beings<<
That's good :)
>>>Your silence tantamounts to encouragement/abetment of the filthy abuses heaped on us when we chose to criticise the church using the most civilised language.Infact i found that you all are sadistically happy that we are being abused. <<<
Sadistically happy? How so?
Criticising is one thing. What's the point in just criticising and not doing anything after that. You pin-pointed the problem very clearly by saying:
>>Many Christians here hate RSS and other Hindutva organisations as they feel that they are spreading anti-christian feelings among Hindus.Similarly, most of us are hating the church which has in the past and at present spreading hatread against the non-christianised communities around the world and is advocating destruction of our Tamil culture and civilisation. <<
It is mutual distrust- even worse, it is mutual ignorance. I am interested in a solution, not to keep on listing the grouses our communities and religious authorities have on each other. It doesn't take much to look for websites which seeks to debunk a religion; but it takes hard work to try to reconcile.
I believe in understanding and accepting; understanding people who are different to us, then accepting them for who they are. I also believe that in our differences, we discover our similarities.
That is why I do not get the point of threads like this, which carries many anti-christian links, when what we should be doing is attempting to reconcile.
Ashok was on that path when he started the thread on the similarities of the Gita and Bible. Then that came to an abrupt stop when abusers went on a rampage.
>>Whenever Milton or Punnahai has been abused , we have come to the rescue.<<
But you yourself have accused Milton of lying, and posting under a different name. When you yourself accuse him of such things, then who else will rescue him??
You referred to Milton's 'Joker' comment when you said:
>>Cant you discuss something without personal attacks??? <<
When you call Milton a liar, isn't that a personal attack?
- From: VC (@ 211.202.3.253)
on: Tue Jan 7 20:01:51
//Your silence tantamounts to encouragement/abetment of the filthy abuses heaped on us when we chose to criticise the church using the most civilised language.//
By "Most civilized language" you mean Sorivayan's & Krishna's posts on Jesus, I presume!
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs6668103-167.austin.rr.com)
on: Tue Jan 7 20:04:59
//By "Most civilized language" you mean Sorivayan's & Krishna's posts on Jesus, I presume! //
Our language will be better than the language used by the Roman Catholic priests who rape*d kids
- From: VC (@ 211.108.90.6)
on: Tue Jan 7 20:56:32
Ahhhhhhh.....The dickless wonder SoriVayan speaks up!
R U Taking a break from sucking Kuckoose Krishitna's teeny-weeny limp noodle cock to post this drivel? Where does Krishna suck you, since you dont have a cock? Inside your butt-hole, you Eunuch?
- From: VC (@ 211.108.90.6)
on: Tue Jan 7 22:17:32
Extra! Extra! Breaking News!
Secret of SoriNayan's Birth! Read all about it here: http://forumhub.com/tnhistory/22913.21.26.01.html
This is the best laugh I have had in ages!
- From: VC (@ 211.202.3.253)
on: Wed Jan 8 01:59:40
Great. Looks like the moderators have removed all of SoriVayan's Filthy abusive posts!
- From: just_curious (@ 202.151.212.45)
on: Mon Jan 13 10:53:36
MMC
What is the meaning of Kapaleeswara ?
What is the origin of the word eesan and Eeswaran ?
Whom did the first century Tamils worship ?
When did the Siva ( not Sivan of Puranams ) worship started ?
- From: mmc (@ ca-mod211-a.spectranet.com)
on: Mon Jan 13 12:39:58
Just Curious,
I am not curious to know these details.Perhaps you can ask some social scientist these questions.
I am more bothered about the atrocities perpetrated by the church .
Intellectuals like you can debate,discuss these things...but for us, common ordinary Tamils, survival right now is the most important thing.
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