Topic started by vaidyanathanan (@ dialpool-210-214-209-178.maa.sify.net) on Sun Apr 13 09:39:54 .
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why was the greatest devotee of lord rama a smartha.are there no extra ordinary bhaktas among sri vaishnavas after ramanuja?did ramanuja's teachings totally prevent great bhaktas from being born in a sri-vaishnava home?why alwars are so few in number?

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• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Sun Apr 13 17:31:00 EDT 2003
  
  Tyagaraja rejected Advaita and Dvaita as well. Advaitamuu Sukhamaa, Dwvaitamu Sukhamaa....? He asks himself and finally does adopts Visistadvaitam.
  
  Annamacharya was a Sri Vaishnava - a disciple of Athivan Satakopan - the founder of Aghobila Matham
  
  The Alwars are 12 in number, only 3 among them were brahmins. Thirupan Alwar belonged to the low pAnar caste, yet his songs are sung today to awaken the Lord In Srirangam - by Iyengar Brahmin priests.
  
  Saiva Siddhantam and Vaishnava Siddhantam are in now way related to Adi Shankara - who inforced caste lines and preaced Buddhism in a disguised manner.
  
  
• From: vaidyanathanan (@ dialpool-210-214-216-55.maa.sify.net) on: Mon Apr 14 14:16:18 EDT 2003
  
  sorry-tyagaraja followed smartha tradition and rituals to the last day of his life.he composed on shiva too.so he cannot be a follower of ramanuja.there is no proof he accepted vishishtadvaita.any way i am least bothered if reject advaita as well.it actually would not have mattered if ramanuja preached vishistadvaita.but what mattered was he tampered with the method rituals were to be performed to what he thought was right.he took the vaishnavas he converted along the wrong path.please note that madhwa followers have greater list of bhaktas.annamacharya became a good person only in the last days of his life.we have on the other hand raghavendra swami of the dwaita mutt- a great luminary.they were many dwaita mutt swamis who had great yogic and magical powers that which cannot be claimed by the sri-vaishnava mutts.thus the fact that ramanuja was wrong does not make what adi shankara's advaita was, necessarily right.so u dont have to fear and make rash justifications for ramanuja's sake.
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Mon Apr 14 22:46:40 EDT 2003
  
  Ramanuja did not tamper with the rituals. It is only Shankara who introduced Buddhist ideals and corrupted the Vedanta. Ramanuja, Tirumular and all other acharyas follow Vedanta in it's purity.
  
  
• From: Harish Kumar (@ 203.195.215.254) on: Tue May 13 10:35:38 EDT 2003
  
  Why does this fellow always start religious topics ?
  
  Kindly have darshan of Sangavi and Rakshitha and convert to the path of demons.
  
  There were Carvakas in ancient India.
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Tue May 13 16:55:26 EDT 2003
  
  Are you a carvaka yourself? If so, your only aim in life is hedonism which does not make you different from animals.
  
  
• From: Harish Kumar (@ 203.195.215.254) on: Wed May 14 13:10:44 EDT 2003
  
  I was only joking man ! The point is , doing seriously think salvation is possible for human beings ?
  
  Do our scriptures say this is possible ???
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Wed May 14 15:31:29 EDT 2003
  
  Yes, moksha is possible. In the Varaha Purana, in Thirukurungudi in Tamil Nadu, a Harijan gives moksha to a brahmin(who is cursed to be a Brahma Rakshasha)
  
  http://www.narthaki.com/info/intervw/intrvw35a.html
  
  
• From: ri (@ 210-210-33-188.lan.sify.net) on: Thu May 15 00:45:26 EDT 2003
  
  Karuvaya..
  I am coming to you.. Can you give me salvation???
  
  Harish,
  Charvakas were great man.....Down to earth practical...
  
  
• From: Harish Kumar (@ 203.195.215.254) on: Thu May 15 12:06:59 EDT 2003
  
  Ha Ha Ha well said ri.
  
  The point is was the brahmin who got mokhsa from a harijan a pure human being or a devatha who was born as a human being.Also who was that harijan himself ? In other words what was the Entitiy that was in the harijan's body? Another devatha ?
  
  
  
• From: vaidyanathan (@ ppp-219.65.111.210.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Fri May 16 06:52:10 EDT 2003
  
  friend harish according to even dwaita philosophy every body can be re born even as a deva or even a brahma.hanuman will be the next brahma.
  
  
• From: ri (@ 210-210-32-168.lan.sify.net) on: Sat May 17 00:41:26 EDT 2003
  
  Friend Vaidyanathan,
  When there is no Soul, Rebirth, Karma and when there is only God and me, where do devas come in???
  What is this: Hanuman is next Brahma?? Is it a promotion to him???
  Hanuman is worshipped, just to increase our mental and physical strength... You ppl confused it with Spiritual strength... There is no Soul...
  Worship Kali, Kalabhairava.... Eat beef, pork and anything you want...Somehow get rich...Practice boxing, kicking, bungee jumping....That way you can reach God easily.....
  
  
• From: Harish Kumar (@ 203.195.215.254) on: Sat May 17 08:27:29 EDT 2003
  
  Hanuman and Brahma are of the same category of souls.Yes he will be the next Brahma.You have a very good understanding of Dwaita Philosophy as it is called.
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs6668187-168.austin.rr.com) on: Sat May 17 12:02:23 EDT 2003
  
  //...Somehow get rich...//
  
  Yes yes, get rich like the politicians. nice example.
  
  
• From: Harish (@ 203.195.215.254) on: Sat May 24 07:36:18 EDT 2003
  
  It is according to scriptures , taitreya upanishad or something , I am not sure.
  
  
  
• From: Raghavan (@ keane-bh-2.keane.com) on: Thu Jun 5 15:59:38 EDT 2003
  
  Vaidyanathan,
  
  To answer one question you posed earlier in another post - Ashwathama - he is the next Vyasa.
  
  Cheers
  Raghavan
  
  
• From: sanjay kumar (@ 210.18.90.1.sify.net) on: Sat Mar 27 01:44:44
  
  dear vaidyanathan,
  To say that RAMANUJA converted people to vaishnavism is wrong. He only gave them an identity. He was the ONLY SAINT who united people irrespective of their caste, creed. Madhwa cannot even come close to him
  rsk
  
  
• From: Carthik (@ 210-210-34-58.lan.sify.net) on: Mon Apr 5 13:25:00 EDT 2004
  
  Guys
  The todays Brahmins are the purest form of sudras mentioned by Manu. They will learn things and will do out of it. They are brought from Iran/IRAQ the so called vaikundam to serve our temples as pusaris, as devadasis who uplift ART in form of dance and songs and to entertain kings. sadly thro years they have creaped into all dynasties and have made them impotent. They will stick to places where they find some cum. they learn the languag of that people and will zuck them to the extream. Blore, US are fit examples of this. sadly our dravidia kings were black and have fallen for the color of these sudrabhramin ladies and lost their heritage down the years. They will always be on the recieving end and will never give to the society. when their share is prevented in terms of reservation or regime change they will cry the hell out of their arsh as leprocy patients. you can see this in their habbits even now who argue for reservation. cho ramasamy, rama gobalan, most of the BJP are good examples. They are also the pure form of the Tharithiram. if you have a brahmin manager in your company its like turtle entering ur house. Its because of their past such type of deeds they are now like leprocy worms, their females are entertaining the black dravidian crowd as heroins in Films and TVs. One who have the attitude to give preach others good is devine[real Brahmins] and one who get into fight to preserve their area, land and people are real kshtriyas and one who do a good business is a real vaishya. one who do service and be on the recieving end and when prevented their share behave like leprocy patient are sudras. every castes races will have these types of peoples within. you can find this even in whites, germans, russians and in the so called BRAHMINS of india as well. Now you will know what a sudrabhramin is...
  
  

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