Topic started by neo_morpheus (@ ppp-219.65.96.205.chn.vsnl.net.in) on Wed Jun 4 18:51:02 .
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It has been proved that Aryans were indeed, outsiders, who invaded, migrated into india from europe/central asia/caucasus!.

This astounding revelation was possible because of the painstaking, revolutionary and meticulous work od Dr. Spencer Wells, Geneticist/Historian/Adventurer, who holds a Ph.D from Harvard.

His initiative seeks to change the very initiative of our understanding of the 'evolution of man'. Here he talks about his theory :

"The Multiregionalism Theory which states that we evolved depending on the region our ancestors settled in. This we now know to be untrue. Our ancestors came from Africa and we used the Y Chromosome of human DNA to uncover secrets. Earlier, for tracing family trees, we used to dig up bones from the ground. The problem with this is that there are different fossils and so it doesn't give us an idea as to who our direct ancestors are. When we study DNA sequences any changes form a line of descent.


The advantage of the Y Chromosome is that it is handed down only by the male parent unmingled with a woman's DNA. So it can stay the same from generation to generation. It can only change with a mutation which is an accidental but natural change in the genetic code. This can happen to strengthen the immune system from newly emerged diseases. "

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• From: . (@ 61.1.201.121) on: Sun Aug 31 12:54:32 EDT 2003
  
  //Aryan Invasion Theory - Proved by Geneticist/Historian !//
  
  Then why they cannot prove also that no dravidians where Hindus till 7th a.d. and therewas nothing called hindu. also most of the temples belonged to dravids who were samanars.
  Can these people prove the funda of avatarification garbage of tamil religion history.
  As why most of the gods face is mutilated?
  
  
• From: Nutcracker (@ proxy2.wow.lk) on: Sun Aug 31 15:00:51 EDT 2003
  
  Hey..Can somebody please tell me how the Sinhala culture/race came about ?
  
  They claim to be aryans and decendant from North India ?....If that is the case how the hell did they end up in the South of Sri Lanka. Were they slapped all over India like a flipper ball game or did they migrate ? The latter seems strange to me for I see no real reason for them to migrate all the way down south without clashing with any other cultures on their way......Pls can somebody explain me the roots of the Sinhala people?
  
  Thanking You
  
  -Nutcracke
  
  
• From: tony azhggan (@ user-2iveavd.dialup.mindspring.com) on: Sun Aug 31 23:37:52 EDT 2003
  
  Dr.Hero:
  I agree with you again. There are no such things as protiens and amino acids. EE VAY RAA or Dr. Shtalin have never menrioned about it.No dravidian has seen it. Atleast we know that there are auto riksaas as we have seen it. (I have even taken a memorable ride in an auto). Amino acids are a figment of imagination of Aryans to fool dravidians and let us not fall in their trap.
  
  
• From: x (@ as2-21.ppp.uml.edu) on: Mon Sep 1 00:10:48 EDT 2003
  
  Vaidyanathan,
  can you please pass on the link or reference to support your arguments, like Romula Thapar's ( considered Indias's most balanced expert )quote etc ?
  Dont tell me its common sense and its your own theory please.
  
  
• From: MadhuBhat (@ as2-21.ppp.uml.edu) on: Mon Sep 1 00:17:41 EDT 2003
  
  Ranganathan,
  I have posted this 100 times before.
  "Dravida" does'nt refer to South.
  Dravida is derived from the word "Tamila" in prakrit
  Tamila -> Damida ->Dramida->Dravida
  
  Open any standard world encyclopedias. Or let me know I will forward you the links.
  Dravida can be anywhere ( like south India, Central India, Baluchi in Pak or elamite in Iran )
  It only refers to a tamil like lingustic super family.
  
  
• From: tejas (@ 202.53.76.18) on: Fri Sep 5 07:17:53 EDT 2003
  
  it is amatter of shame to we indians,even now we are speaking of origins etc.the science has advanced so much that it has been proved by dr.straussberg and his team that all people in this world are interlinked and belong to one family.as a matter of fact this was said by the great sikh gurus long time back,even rishi aurobindo held the same view.lastly and most importantly lord krishna mentions of vasudeva kutumbam in his great incarnation.we are simply aping the past british legacy of discrimination against one another.my dear friends wake up the world is changing,there is no time to talk about these silly matters.
  
  
• From: vyasa (@ 202.53.76.18) on: Fri Sep 5 07:35:57 EDT 2003
  
  lord krishna says i exist every where.i am omnipresent,omnipotent etc.you have no business to criticise my creation,by criticising you are insulting me.every one takes birth as per his karma,and each should follow he task he or she should perform.and not wait for the action.even vidhur was addressed as a brahmin ,though he belonged to a low cast.by virtue of his knowledge and thinking due respect was given to him.
  did'nt viswamitra attain the title of brahmarishi by adhering to good actions and deeds,eventhough he was a kshtriya by birth.
  lastly it is the bhakti that matters irrespective of birth.
  
  
• From: vyasa (@ 202.53.76.18) on: Fri Sep 5 07:36:42 EDT 2003
  
  lord krishna says i exist every where.i am omnipresent,omnipotent etc.you have no business to criticise my creation,by criticising you are insulting me.every one takes birth as per his karma,and each should follow the task he or she should perform.and not wait for the action.even vidhur was addressed as a brahmin ,though he belonged to a low cast.by virtue of his knowledge and thinking due respect was given to him.
  did'nt viswamitra attain the title of brahmarishi by adhering to good actions and deeds,eventhough he was a kshtriya by birth.
  lastly it is the bhakti that matters irrespective of birth.
  
  
• From: not me (@ 61.11.21.141) on: Mon Sep 15 03:09:17 EDT 2003
  
  This thery clearly indicates that all the Kshatriyas, Vaisyas and Shudras are descendets of Bramhins. Then why you are discriminating your forefathers?
  
  
• From: not me (@ 61.11.21.141) on: Mon Sep 15 03:09:42 EDT 2003
  
  This theory clearly indicates that all the Kshatriyas, Vaisyas and Shudras are descendets of Bramhins. Then why you are discriminating your forefathers?
  
  
• From: vaidyanathan (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Mon Sep 15 04:16:34 EDT 2003
  
  OKAY X,YOU WANT TO KNOW ROMILA THAPAR'S VIEW ON ARYAN THORY DO THE SAME AS I DID.IN ONE PARTICULAR THREAD I GAVE THE WEB ADDRESS TO KRISHNA.BUT ANY WAY JUST GO TO GOOGLE SEARCH TRY TO FIND THE LINK OF ROMILA THAPAR ON ARYAN THEORY IN FRONTLINE .THE ARTICLE I BELIEVE IS IN PDF
  
  
• From: vaidyanathan (@ 61.3.249.1) on: Thu Sep 18 14:09:41 EDT 2003
  
  much as you guys may like to disagree the article below confirms why iyers have east asian genes and why they are native of india.
  
  
  Maha Yogi Sri Agastiyar
  Agastyar Kovil, Agastyar Falls, Papanasam
  
  Sri Murugan teaches the Tamil language to Agastiyar
  Maha Yogi Sri Agastiyar:
  The Ageless Guru of Gurus
  By C. Shanmuganayagam
  From: The Ceylon Daily News (Colombo) Wednesday May 15, 1996
  Editor's note: Lord Murugan is well known as the adi guru who transmitted the Tamil language together with its mysteries long ago to sage Agastya Muni, who in turn shared it with humanity. This article by a learned Sri Lankan devotee explores the legacy of Lord Murugan's great disciple.
  
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  A rare and illuminating book in English on the life and works of the great siddhas of ancient and modern times, with particular reference to Sri Agastiyar, the archetype of all siddhas and gurus, was published in Canada recently, entitled Babaji and the 18 Siddha Kriya Yoga tradition, written by Marshall Govindan, an advanced Kriya Yoga sadhaka of Los Angeles and a keen scholar, who had carried out extensive literary and spiritual research in India and Sri Lanka for twenty years under the guidance of Yogi S.A.A. Ramaiah.
  
  In the hierarchy of siddhas or perfected human beings, or Initiates of the White Brotherhood as they are called in the West, who have guided the destinies of nations on our planet Earth for the past 12,000 years of recorded history, the ageless legendary siddha Sri Agastiya Maha Muni stands out as the senior-most guru who initiated a galaxy of eminent gurus and siddhas down the ages, and who had established and nurtured the ancient Dravidian civilization lasting several millennia. He is also acknowledged, in occult circles, as the head of a representative group of rishis entrusted with the guiding of the destiny of India and other nations called the Sapta Rishis as disclosed in certain ola leaf manuscripts called rishi vakyams and also in theosophical writings. Sri Agastiyar is also considered the author of several Rig Vedic hymns in Sanskrit connected with the Aryan civilization of the North.
  
  Sri Agastiyar’s role in the Ramayana
  In the Ramayana saga, which is deemed by historians to have taken place about 9,000 years ago in the Treta Yuga, Sri Agastiyar is reported to have appeared before Rama himself on the day before the final victorious termination of the war with Ravana, the hitherto invincible King of Lanka, and initiated Lord Rama with a special divine mantra to counter the effect of the powerful boons that Ravana had earned from the gods by his great tapas.
  
  It is significant to note that, according to geo physical research based on the movement of the continental plates, the Lanka of Ravana was situated in the continent of Lemuria, also known as Kumari Kandam, which was a land mass, connecting the Deccan plateau in South India and the island of Ceylon, with intervening straits to be crossed, with Madagascar in the West, Australia on the East and Antarctica on the South, until it sank into the Indian ocean in stages over 3,500 years ago, as mentioned in the writings of the German geologist Wagner anti the eminent Indologist Sir T.W. Holderness.
  
  The research done by Fr. Heras and Sir John Marshall the archaeologist and other scholars into the archaeological finds at Mohenjodaro and Harappa point to the existence of an earlier highly developed Dravidian civilization in the deep South which, had influenced the Indus-Valley Aryan civilization of the North.
  
  The available historical evidence referring to the Dravidian civilization commences with the records that have come down to us of the Tamil literary writings during the past 12,000 years, which have been divided by historians into three periods, called the First Sangam period from 9600 BC to 5200 BC, spanning the Satya and Treta yugas, the Second Sangam period from 5200 BC to 1500 BC spanning the Treta and Dwapara yugas, and the Third Sangam period from 1500 BC to 600 AD spanning the Dwapara and Kali yugas.
  
  According to the present cycle of four yugas, namely Satya, Treta, Dwapara and Kali yugas, in their descending arc of 12,000 years and ascending arc of another 12,000 years, as stated by Sri Yukteswar in his famous treatis called ‘Holy Science’, we are now in the ascending arc of Dwapara yuga completed the Kali yuga period lasting from 600 BC to 1800 AD.
  
  The Mahabharata war, where Lord Krishna propagated the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita to Arjuna, is reckoned to have taken place during the Second Sangam period about the year 3100 BC.
  
  The First Sangam, which was founded and nurtured by Siddha Sri Agastiyar, lasted for 4,400 years and had its centre in the city of Dakshina Madura in the continent of Lemuria.
  
  The Second Sangam, which was also established under the patronage of Sri Agastiyar, lasted for 3,700 years and had its centre in the city of Kavatapuram in the continent of Lemuria, after the records in the city of Dakshina Madura had gone under water.
  
  The Third Sangam, also sponsored by Sri Agastiyar, lasted for 1,800 years and had its centre at Uttara Madura, namely the modern city of Madurai, which lays north of the earlier centres, after the whole of the Lemurian continent had gone under water.
  
  After the commencement of the gradual inundation of the Lemurian continent, it is reported that Sri Agastiyar led a migration of Dravidians to Java and Cambodia and Central and South America. The legends of the Incas, Mayans and Aztecs of South America regarding the founding of their cultures by tall beared white-robed teachers confirm the tradititional view that the Lemurians, under the guidance of their siddhas, colonized North and South America, as well as the Nile Valley, when they founded the Egyptian civilization.
  
  It is significant to note that Edgar Cayce the well-known ‘sleeping prophet’ of America, had in the course of his recent voluminous psychic messages given out by him while in a state of trance mentioned a similar sinking of the continent of Atlantis in stages into the Atlantic Ocean over a period of several centuries between 12,000 BC and 10,000 BC, before the sinking of the Lemurian continent.
  
  Sri Agastlyar the Archetype of all Gurus
  Maha Avatar Kriya Babaji of the Himalayas, the lineal Guru of Paramahamsa Yogananda, Yukteswar and Lahiri Mahasaya, who is well nigh 1,800 years old today, still retains a young physical body of a 16 year old youth, as a result of his divinising the cells of his physical body, after receiving initiation from two of the greatest siddhas of all time.
  
  Siddha Boganathar instructed him in the higher Kriya yoga techniques, for six months at Kataragama in Sri Lanka in the year 214 AD and sent him thereafter to his own Guru Siddha Agastiyar at Couttalam in India, where Babaji had the final initiation in Kriya yoga, after he had practised severe austerities for 48 days to invoke the grace of Agastiyar, who finally appeared before him in his physical body emerging from the adjoining forest; and showered his full blessings on him.
  
  These facts were disclosed by Babaji himself in 1952 to two of his disciples V. T. Neelakantan, a Theosophist of the early days, and Yogi S.A.A. Ramaiah, when he materialized in physical form from his abode in the Himalayas in the shrine room of V.T. Neelakantan at Suramma1 Lane, in Egmore, Madras. In.turn Babaji is known to have initiated among others the famous Hindu reformer Adi Sankaracharya into the mysteries of Kriya yoga about the year 800 AD.
  
  Among the several Siddhas initiated directly by Sri Agastiyar were, according to certain sources, (1) Tirumoolar, the author of Tirumanthiram described as one of the greatest texts of yoga and mystic truth ever written, who lived for over 3,000 years in the pre-Christian era, and (2) Tiruvalluvar the author of the world famed classic scripture the Tirukkural, who lived 2,000 years ago.
  
  It was the immortal Sri Agastiyar who originally taught and transmitted to several of his disciples over the ages the Kriya yoga techniques of divinising the cells of the body and:
  
  rendering the physical body deathless for centuries, (as in the case of the 18 Siddhas and Kriya Babaji), or
  enabling the physical body to disappear completely and resurrect in a glow of light into a subtler vibrational field, (as in the case of Adi Sankaracharya and the four great Saiva saints namely the Nayanmars and Kabir of medieval times and Ramalinga Swamigal as recently as 1874), or
  enabling the physical body to be placed in a tomb in jeeva samadhi at will, in a state of suspended animation, where the blood circulation and the breathing have stopped but a luminous pranic energy keeps the body-cells alive, with the possibility of the siddha dematerializing the body in the tomb and materializing it outside in a completely different locality and living out an extended span of life for several years (as in the case of three well-known siddhas of modern times, namely Sri Raghavendra Swami about whom a popular film had been made recently, Sri Kulandaj Ananda Swami whose last jeeva samadhi is in Madurai city and Sri Muthukrishna Swami whose jeeva samadhi is in Vallioor).
  The writer of this article had the opportunity to view and pay homage at the shrines, where the latter two jeeva samadhis are situated.
  
  
  

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