Appropriation and exploitation of Thiruvalluvar
Topic started by V.C.Vijayaraghavan (@ 212.240.12.82) on Tue Feb 20 12:44:59 .
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I read elsewhere :
"An inspired talk by Gurudeva, H.H. Sivaya Subramuniyaswami,on Saint Tiruvalluvar's Guru Puja Day, February 15, 1979, introducing selections from the Holy Kural, the Saint's 2,100 year-old Tamil
classic on virtuous living
INTRODUCTION TO THE HOLY KURAL> >
Today is an auspicious day. It is the Guru Puja Day of Saint Tiruvalluvar, one of the most venerated of the saints of Saivism. A few of us have just returned from the Guru Puja where a black granite statue of Saint Tiruvalluvar was given abhishekam and deepam in the traditional Hindu form of worship. Saint Tirumular's statue was also there. These great sages of Saivism both lived over two thousand years ago. "
While Tamils (and non-Tamils) have admired Kural for it's pithy units of wisdom, is it not Tamil tradition to consider as a secular writer,i.e. non-religious writer and not part of any religious sect.. Now , how can anyone make hiom "Saint" "HolY", "A Saivaite teacher" etc. In fact he is considered a Jain going by his ethical orientation.
Why are Tamil literati keeping a loud silence on this appropriation of Valluvar's prestige for religious purpose? When nobody knows when did he really live, how can anyone celebrate his birthday and give abhishekam? Why does the entire dravidian establishment keeping a silence on this matter?
Also in Tamil Virtual University, there is an icon of Valluvar. There he looks like some god giving Dakshinamurthy pose, with two raised figers on the raised right hand in an abhaya pose with curved legs of shanta pose which are confirming to shilpa shastra?
Why does no one condemn this religising of Valluvar? where is all the pagutharivu, secularism, cultural critocims, etc
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- From: Tusta Krsna Dass (@ async219-14.nas.onetel.net.uk)
on: Mon Feb 23 05:18:05 EST 2004
In all respects,a person needs to come to the status of brahmin by qualification only,NOT by birth,if,lets say a father is a court judge,does that make his son a court judge?
No he has to study and then qualify for that poisition,similarly a man must qualify for that prestigious position.
It is the caste brahmins of today that make a mockery of religion and brahmanism.
Tusta Krsna Dass Adikhari.
- From: Venkyu (@ 211.250.9.125)
on: Tue Feb 24 14:53:16 EST 2004
Thiruvalluvar and Thirupathi and anything starts with Thiru were never belonged to Hinduism or any form of distorted hindu religion like shaivism, vedist or vaishnavist or sanatan or hare krishna.
If at all they belonged to Hindu religion then probably they would have had some mention elsewhere also apart from Tamilnadu or South India.
- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Tue Feb 24 15:06:31 EST 2004
babu (@ 61.247.248.120) on: Wed Feb 18 15:39:43 EST 2004 -- admitted:
//No brains//
Thank you, Babu for your honesty! You have no brains, I agree!
- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Tue Feb 24 15:07:38 EST 2004
Venkyu said:
//Thiruvalluvar and Thirupathi and anything starts with Thiru were never belonged to Hinduism or any form of distorted hindu religion like shaivism, vedist or vaishnavist or sanatan or hare krishna.//
What does the word 'Thiru' mean, Mr Venky?
- From: Venky rao (@ 211.250.9.125)
on: Tue Feb 24 15:34:02 EST 2004
Idiappam i want to piss in your mouth first.? backward idiot I say.. come to andhra, i will fuc*k you so badly , you will forget to ask questions.
- From: venky rao (@ 211.250.9.125)
on: Tue Feb 24 15:35:25 EST 2004
So now you can have gods like
Thiru allah, thiru ganesha, thiruRama, thiruidiots
thirukrishna, thiru-Kudheeswarar, thiru vishnu, thiru lingam etc
- From: venky (@ 211.250.9.125)
on: Tue Feb 24 15:45:31 EST 2004
and don't forget thiru-gusbu devar
and
thiru rajinikanth perumal
- From: roxy (@ dsl-201-128-123-186.prod-infinitum.com.mx)
on: Tue Feb 24 16:13:29 EST 2004
All Tamilians are nothing but fraud..
Most hopeless culture and community with dirty language. I can even have liking for animals like pig but not for worst cultured Tamilian
- From: roxy (@ dsl-201-128-123-186.prod-infinitum.com.mx)
on: Tue Feb 24 16:13:54 EST 2004
All Tamilians are nothing but fraud..
Most hopeless culture and community with dirty language. I can even have liking for animals like pig but not for worst cultured Tamilian
- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Tue Feb 24 16:43:39 EST 2004
There you are! These anti-Tamil element venky and roxy can't even answer a simple question on their claims yet they are shouting aroung 'Jaina Jiana' Backward backward beep beep beep! there is nothing in thier head to offer!
- From: roxy (@ dsl-201-128-123-186.prod-infinitum.com.mx)
on: Tue Feb 24 16:48:47 EST 2004
What is good in Tamilnadu, i have seen people don't use chappals, shirts in tamilnadu,
Hardly you get spoon in Tamilnadu. Tourists are looked down. people are real pathetic, black, and low in life...
shameful culture, bad lanaguge, bad food habits, real nuts, want to fight with every neighbour.
- From: raj (@ mstar-pf2.ikano.com)
on: Tue Feb 24 17:00:49 EST 2004
Tamilians keep my toilets and house neat and clean.
They are good honest slaves
- From: suresh (@ 61.247.248.43)
on: Tue Feb 24 18:20:55 EST 2004
And for me also, the nuts like idiappam keep my toilets always clean. They are best toilet cleaner, i mean people like Idiappam
- From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg)
on: Tue Feb 24 20:23:23 EST 2004
Another anti-tamil element 'suresh' with a sympathetic brain into action! *clap clap*
- From: tamilian (@ 61.247.245.1)
on: Wed Feb 25 03:05:32 EST 2004
// From: Raj (@ mstar-pf2.ikano.com) on: Tue Feb 24 17:10:10 EST 2004
Why tamilians are known as backward?
Why Tamilians fight with every neighbour?
Why Tamilians are culturally so sick?
why Tamilians are most unhealthy- hospitals and hotels every 50 mtrs in Tamilnadu?///
I will answer one by one.
because they have backward language and bad mouth
because they are born backward and inferiority complex make them fight with every one. Culturally very low, cannot compete with any other culture
Culturally so sick , because they do not want to change, prefer sticking to their sambar, loongi and low cultre
Their food habits are such they need to eat tippin every one hour, so more hotels and then hospitals because they don't use proper healthy measure. you must note that HIV+ Tamilians are number one also these people are sexually starved due to social taboos and backward culture, so more hospitals, In TAmilnadu police woudn't allow a boy and girl to sit in park, garden or drive on bike in clean healthy way, so more business for cheap lodges and more income for police from such lodges and more diseases. Clean fun, quality tourism, open-ness is not part of this cultrue.
- From: jiva (@ 195.172.154.34)
on: Sun Feb 29 16:41:03 EST 2004
i totally agree with you. thiruvalluvar is for all tamils( of all religious orders) and others aswell. like pongal is not necessarily a hindu festival( it is the harvest festival of all Tamils) VaLLUVAr is the same
- From: Babu (@ 61.247.248.245)
on: Mon Mar 1 18:50:41 EST 2004
Make sense, but brahmins (hindus) cannot claim thiruvalluvar as Hindu even by avatarification.
- From: dravid (@ 203.101.38.242)
on: Wed Mar 10 16:59:26 EST 2004
hindus-hindi-brahmin-sanskrit-avatar are all synonymous.
- From: javer (@ )
on: Sat Aug 21 19:46:00
Thiruvalluvar was never a Hindu as claimed by most brahmins and their history.
- From: truth (@ 61.247.253.112)
on: Sun Aug 22 04:47:23 EDT 2004
"Make sense, but brahmins (hindus) cannot claim thiruvalluvar as Hindu even by avatarification."
Thiruvalluvar has written 3 kurals on Brahmins.
Why should he write about Brahmins if he was not Hindu?
None said Valluvar was a Brahmin but Karunanidhi who named his statue at kanyakumari "Iyen Valluvan"
ok? Brahmins never considered Valluvar anywhere in their religion.
His Kural itself was not original but traslation of Jains way of life.
In his days Valluvar low caste untouchable Hindu.
A weaver by birth (Non Brahmin)
Brahmins know that very well.
Have u seen anyone reciting Kural at home, leave alone Brahmins.
- From: truth (@ 61.247.253.112)
on: Sun Aug 22 04:47:41 EDT 2004
"hindus-hindi-brahmin-sanskrit-avatar are all synonymous."
So what? What u say is right except for avatar.
Read more about avatar and talk.
And Dravidians, dont ever identify urself with true Hindus. coz u r not.
Aryans had Aryan Sudras to serve them. When they found Dravidians, they too were considered servant and so they got the name Sudras.
Ok.
Dravidians r outsider Sudras while north Indian Sudras r real Sudras.
Got me?
- From: truth (@ 61.247.253.112)
on: Sun Aug 22 04:48:59 EDT 2004
Sudra itself is a big credit for Dravidians
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