Topic started by Traveller (@ globalb7.citicorp.com) on Sat Jul 7 13:58:46 .
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Dear Sir,
It was nice to read your postings in various queries.
First of all, I beleive that Reservations, Caste inequality, Hero Worship are idiocies are sheer stupid.
But I know that the Tamil Nad is filled with this dirt.Can you tell the reason for this? As for I know the reason for this is:
1. 3000 years of Caste discrimination practised in this land, which is authenticated by the Vedas.
I dont know whether this is true. But It is what I have heard. Did you think that this system is fair.?

2. I have great respects for Kanchi Muttathipathi. But I read in one of his books, that Samabandhi Bhojanam, Intercaste marriage should be banned. I dont know why. Even after that I respect him for his work.

3. Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, West Bengal, and Rajasthan has more number of Brahmins and other High Caste Thakurs. In Tamil Nadu You can claim that Dravidian Parties have reduced your population and almost succeeded in doing that.
I request you to see the condition in UP, Bihar and other states. You will know what your people are doing.

4. You are claiming that you pray to Providence everyday for not born in Tamil Nadu. I am thanking Providence for having grace that I was not born in UP, Bihar and other states.

5. I have a request to look TNs situation from the 3000 year old history of India. Just dont look from the last 100 year history.
If there is any kind of Oppression in any part of the world, I have seen that there will be a counter aggression for that. This is what Dravidian Idealogy stands for. It is just a counter aggression for the Previous Oppression and Supression.

6. I personally dislike Mr.Muka and his co. Instead I would like Ms.JJs regime if it is without Sasi&co.
But could you tell that Mr.Nehru was not having extra marital relations.? Please read about Mrs. Indira Gandhi in the latest book of Kate Frank. Or could you tell me any Post Independence Good Brahmin Politician, except a few like Mr. Cho.

7. Last one question, If you dislike Tamil Nadu this much why you are coming to this site daily and fight with street rowdy Parties like MPs, etc.


I beleive that I am not an Anti Brahmin. I have never voted for any Dravidian Parties. I belong to a place where BJP is at its Peak.
I think that you beleive that 98% of Tamils are Anti Brahmins. It is never so. Then how come so many of us have accepted Ms. JJ, Mr. ManiShankar Aiyar, Mr. Subramania Swamy and so.

It is upto you to think whether Tamils are nice or not.
Thanks,
Bye,
Traveller.

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• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Thu May 8 07:40:05 EDT 2003
  
  I never even studied in TN (atleast at engineering level). I studied in a fully private school in TN - not an ounce of govt money. Thank god!
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Thu May 8 07:40:54 EDT 2003
  
  I only did my high school in TN - that too thanks to Ramakrishna Matham which adopted my education and others.
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Thu May 8 07:43:17 EDT 2003
  
  I mean, Ramakrishna Matham paid fully for my education. I am heavily indebted to them.
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Thu May 8 07:46:50 EDT 2003
  
  //serves the best crow curry south of cooum//
  
  Did you see this in the movie "Run". That was a good one. It also highlighted how Doctors produced from third rate TN medical universities run porno films.
  
  
• From: . (@ 61.3.249.1) on: Thu May 8 09:31:20 EDT 2003
  
  Karuvaya,
  as you have left this country, unakku inga enna nadantha enna kavalai?
  poi vena UN human rights council la pugar kodu....alladhu Dr.kalaignar kkum Dr. JJ kkum mottai petition podu..
  nee inga pesaradha TN la edhavadhu medai pottu peasen... per kandu pidikka mudiyadunu thane netla vandu solre...
  
  
• From: Madhu (@ 199.67.140.80) on: Thu May 8 10:12:52 EDT 2003
  
  karuvayan,
  
  "I mean, Ramakrishna Matham paid fully for my education. I am heavily indebted to them."
  
  You remind me of this young man in 1960s Hindi movie, Dhramaputra, who promised to kill every muslim during the India's partition. The young man with his street gang takes a oath to kill every muslim. He was raised by an orthodox Hindu Brahmin family. His father stops and tells him he is actually a muslim boy, borned out of wedlock to an young unmarried Muslim couple. You should see the reaction in that young man's face. I hope one day the same realization may come to you and your hatred towards fellow Indians is unconscionable. Ramakrisha mutt teaches tolerance towards all religions and it is sad you are a product such great institution.
  
  
• From: mmc (@ 203.122.48.72) on: Thu May 8 11:25:53 EDT 2003
  
  Madhu,
  
  
  That was a straight lift from an English novel and in that novel there was this muslim who was furious abt Jews and will spit on them as kafirs.
  
  Finally his father will tell him this.
  
  
• From: mmc (@ 203.122.48.72) on: Thu May 8 11:30:48 EDT 2003
  
  //nee inga pesaradha TN la edhavadhu medai pottu peasen... per kandu pidikka mudiyadunu thane netla vandu solre...//
  
  I think that this fellow hasnt heard the speeches of Ramagopalan, Sridharan, Bible Shanmugam(died now)..
  
  
  Ofcourse, they started speaking like this after the speeches of Palani Baba (who was murdered in coimbatore some 5 years back)..after listening to the continuous abuses of missionaries and DK fellows against Hinduism.
  
  In Tamilnadu at every nook and corner , more worse dialogues are being spelt out every day in Churches and mosques and Hindu Munnani meetings.
  
  
  
• From: mmc (@ 203.122.48.72) on: Thu May 8 11:39:41 EDT 2003
  
  //"Snake has venom in its teeth, but iyers like siddarth and karuvaayan has it in their heart". Shut up or more quotes will be on the way! //
  
  
  If iyers who have never harmed tamils have venom in their heart, then what about the church and the moslems?
  
  
  Atleasts iyers have never did mass rapings like moslems. This has happened during malik kafur's time.
  
  Atleast iyers have never offered money for butchering the fishermen of tamilnadu. The moslems did that and it is the tamil and telugu palayakars (thevars and naickers) who started murdering the fisherfolks for money and it is the christian missionaries who utilised this oppurtunity to convert them.
  
  It is the christians who fleeced tamilnadu of all its prosperity for the past 300 years and left it high and dry forcing the tamils to go as indentured laborers to far off places and to srilankan highlands to toil there and die out of poverty and starvation.
  
  So who is snake???
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: madhu (@ 199.67.140.80) on: Thu May 8 12:14:05 EDT 2003
  
  mmc,
  
  "That was a straight lift from an English novel and in that novel there was this muslim who was furious abt Jews and will spit on them as kafirs."
  
  No, that noval was written by a famous Hindi writer. Somebody could serach Hindi movies and findout the author's name.
  
  
• From: mmc (@ 203.122.48.72) on: Thu May 8 13:35:20 EDT 2003
  
  madhu,
  
  what i said was, even before the hindi writer wrote that novel, it had come in english with the jew-muslim setting in palestine. That was a world famous novel. I am not remembering the name right now.
  
  
• From: tamilan-1 (@ adsl-63-204-32-221.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) on: Thu May 8 14:07:30 EDT 2003
  
  mmc,
  >> It is the christians who fleeced tamilnadu of all its prosperity for the past 300 years and left it high
  
  Sure, british looted and i still say, queen's kohinoor diamond is stolen from us. we should start a petition online to grab it from her. If the invaders did that in the name of christianity, sure we can sue pope or any authority.
  
  But who do u think keeps caste in Hinduism and has made sure of that status quo in the indian constitution, its the brahmins. RV knows about it because he headed the committie that reviewed the constitution during BJP rule.
  
  I merely pointed out when siddarth iyer said that there are almost no tamils the education field that got education in tamilnadu. But postings get side-tracked. I still say, TN schools and colleges produced Dr.Vasagam, Shiv Nadar, Dr.Naidamma, Sir CV raman, Ramanujam, AP Kalam, Fr.Ignatchimuthu, RV. To throw filthe at TN schools & colleges is totally crap and unacceptable. If iyers continue to say that, i'll up the ante on them.
  
  
• From: tony (@ sdn-ap-021njpennp0113.dialsprint.net) on: Thu May 8 14:52:37 EDT 2003
  
  Dr. Tamilian : Thanks for calling me Iyer.I hope Iyers accept me.
  Regarding the quip about me saying that Tamil Nadu has not produced any one of note in educational field. I have always said that it is Anna University thet has not produced any one of note. Madras University was known to be one of the best that is pre reservation of 106 %. Madras University had 30% reservation since 1929. DMK increased it to 100% and now it is Anna University. I can understand that being a backward it is difficult for you to distinguish between the two but try.The great grandsons of the reservationists are still reservationists. It is not the village students but sons and daughters of the elite and so called educated who are still backward. Reservation is not going to help people who are too dumb to understand. You are a good example, a poster boy for backward.Look at Dr. Al Dorai. His father and grandfathers were given favoured treatment by British and he is still backward, in language, education and thinking.
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Thu May 8 16:30:07 EDT 2003
  
  //But who do u think keeps caste in Hinduism and has made sure of that status quo in the indian constitution, its the brahmins//
  
  It is the bloody Congress party which is ruled by christians and muslims. It was VP Singh, who introduced Caste in the constitution.
  
  The most major impediment in caste is the reservations based on caste. The government should remove it ASAP and replace it with reservations based on economic status.
  
  For the BJP government to do that, they need a 2/3 majority, i.e 363/545 seats - which no part so far, excluding the congress got.
  
  Anyway, the won the Gujarat elections by a landslide - let us hope they win the upcoming 2004 elections by a huge margin.
  
  
• From: LLDasu (@ 202.172.41.2) on: Thu May 8 21:59:03 EDT 2003
  
  Some Guys think that all Non-Hindutuva Fanatics are Christians.. V.P.Singh, Nehru, Shastry, Indra Gandhi, Rajivi, Rao.. are Chrsitians???
  
  
• From: LLdasu (@ 202.172.41.2) on: Thu May 8 22:31:25 EDT 2003
  
  //In Tamilnadu at every nook and corner , more worse dialogues are being spelt out every day in
  Churches and mosques and Hindu Munnani meetings. //
  
  Are you saying the truth? I never attended the meeting in Hindu Munnani or Mosque.
  But I know the church. Preaching at the churches would never offend the other beliefs.
  Moreover we have special ceremony on Deepavali day. I don't know if Temples are celebrating
  the Independance Day, but we do. Even after coming to Singapore, eventhough there would be office on
  15th Aug (I had a small argument with my boss, asking permission for 10 mins ) , I would go to Church to
  pray for India. I have met other Indian Christians coming to Churches on that day.
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Fri May 9 00:01:17 EDT 2003
  
  //Rajivi,//
  
  That guy was not a hindu. He was a Parsi.
  
  And BTW, many hindus in india and elsewhere attend temples on Independence day. And, the entire land is their goddess - Bharat Mata.
  
  When the Delhi Metro Rail opened, the entire crowd shouted Bharat Mata Ki Jai!
  
  India was a spiritual union, 5000 years ago. It still is. No, the christian british did not give india it's political unity.
  
  Rather - Hinduism gives india it's distinct identity. Without hinduism - there is no india, and without india there is no hinduism. Both are inseperable from each other.
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Fri May 9 00:02:50 EDT 2003
  
  //Preaching at the churches would never offend the other beliefs//
  
  Tell this to Sadhu Chelappa or DGS Dinakaran. If they accept that they have never preached anything wrong against hinduism - i will shave my head.
  
  

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