Thirumanthiram and Saivaism and HIndutva
Topic started by km (@ ccedu234.nets.uri.edu) on Tue Oct 31 00:12:04 .
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Could somebody explain these verses please:
īąÆÅ ōęī °ïĢîÅ °ïōę
ī° ØĨÆÅØŠ þĨĻÅ
ŦŅØōęŋ
šīąÉÅ ōęŋ šĖō
ŊĀ Įōęŋ
ŧīþ°ėÅ ÄĨŅ ŧĖĀŦŅ °Āōþé. 8
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þšŅŊĨ šŅŋšō ŧĖō°ōî ŅĒī°Ö
þšŅŊĨ þŨđ°Ņŋ šÖŌ ØÆąÆÅ
šŅŊĨ ĩŠĻŋ šĪà ĀÅōþé
ŅŊĨ ĩđą °ÍđģĖī °þî.
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- From: pc (@ ptl-cache6.jaring.my)
on: Fri Nov 3 19:55:32 EST 2000
KM
What fonts did you use to write
- From: kattabommu (@ 192.133.12.150)
on: Fri Nov 3 21:00:38 EST 2000
the above verses are in Murasu anjal
- From: Mani M. Manivannan (@ sji-ca-cache2.icg.net)
on: Sat Nov 4 19:49:57 EST 2000
ąýÉĒžõ ÓĻÉÅũ ÍĀ. Ŧņ―ĄÁĻÄ ŦÅũļû ŦņĻÁÂĒø (1997) ĀūĒôĀĒōū "ūĒÕÁóūĒÃõ - ãÄ ĀĄž ŽöŨô ĀūĒôŌ" ŊûĮÐ. ŦūĒø ŋĢíļû ĖČĒôĀĒÎõ Óūø ĀĄžĻÄė ļņÎ ĀĒĘėļ ÓĘÂÅĒøĻÄ.
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- From: mmc (@ sb.nic.in)
on: Tue Jun 25 00:59:57
well done Mani.M.Manivannan!!
but i dont think that Thirumoolar was aware of Buddhist or Jain concepts...otherwise he would ve refered to them.
Even if we take that he criticises, brahmins then it may be that he expected much from them becos they are brahmins ..isnt it? (here my 'he' may refer to some other(s) who mightve inserted these verses).
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