Why Tamils fear their lives in Jaffna, Sri Lanka
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http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_244985,00050002.htm
Fear of army withdrawal leads to flight of capital from Jaffna
P K Balachanddran
Colombo, May 2
Afraid that the Sri Lankan army will one day withdraw from the Jaffna peninsula and the LTTE will take over, many Jaffna businessmen are moving their capital to Colombo in South Sri Lanka, says the latest report of the University Teachers for Human Rights-Jaffna (UTHR-J).
"The people are by no means enthusiastic about moving the army out. In the event of moving the army out, a number of traders are planning to wind up their operations in Jaffna and several of them have moved substantial capital to Colombo," the report says.
The report accuses the Scandinavian ceasefire monitors, the international (Western) backers of the peace process, and the Sri Lankan government, of wantonly allowing the LTTE to threaten, kidnap, extort and kill at will, only to keep it at the negotiating table.
The report recalls that at the last round of peace talks in Hakone, in Japan, in the third week of March, both the LTTE and the Sri Lankan government shot down a proposal to entrust the monitoring of Human Rights to a neutral international body. Instead, they entrusted the task to the Sri Lanka Human Rights Commission, knowing fully well that the SLHRC did not have the ability to do the job in the conflict ridden environment in the Tamil North East. Also, it had not demonstrated independence in its work thus far, the report added.
A former head of Amnesty International, Ian Martin, was at the talks venue in Hakone, specially invited to help set up a system to monitor human rights violations. But he was ignored.
The fear of Jaffna businessmen of an army withdrawal and a take over by the LTTE is well-founded because the LTTE has been pressing the government to move the army out from Jaffna town and other populated areas in the peninsula. In fact, it withdrew from the peace talks on April 21, saying that the army must first be moved out of the populated areas and must shrink the High Security Zones (HSZ) in the Jaffna peninsula.
Tamil Guardian, an acknowledged mouthpiece of the LTTE, has stated in an editorial in the latest issue, that the LTTE is unlikely to return to the negotiating table without significant concessions in this matter. This puts the government in a fix. And sure enough, the appeasers in the government have begun to exert pressure on Prime Minister Ranil Wickremesinghe.
Meanwhile, the LTTE is getting tougher. Reacting to Wickremesinghe's contention on April 30, that the army was moving out of Subhash and Gnanam Hotels in Jaffna town, the LTTE's Political Wing leader S.P. Tamilchelvan has pointed out that the place that the army will be moving into is still in the middle of a very thickly populated area. The new location is next to the Telecom Office, near the main Jaffna post office, the Multipurpose Cooperative Society, Veerasinghanm Hall, the fish market and the stadium, all places where people converge.
The government's move was against the "letter and spirit" of the Ceasefire Agreement which sought to minimise military presence in populated areas, Tamilchelvan pointed out.
But very significantly, and despite all the sound, fury and posturing on the issue, the LTTE has not been able to organise a mass movement in its support. Jaffna watchers say that the LTTE obviously lacks genuine public support on this issue." The people may not like the army, but certainly they don't want the LTTE back," says D.Siddharthan, the leader of the Peoples' Liberation Organisation of Tamil Eelam (PLOTE). He also said that may Tamil expatriates were visiting Jaffna, not to buy or rebuild property, but to sell them, while the guns were silent!
The UTHR-J reports gives a list of political opponents, civilians and Sri Lankan armymen killed by the LTTE since the signing of the Ceasefire Agreement in February 2002.Atleast 15 army informants have been killed, some in the heart of Colombo. In Batticalao, the LTTE has been telling the people that despite its assurance at Hakone that it will not recruit children for its combat units, the old order to every Tamil family to give one child to the movement, still stood.
The UTHR-J points out that the Sri Lankan government, the SLMM and the international donors have callously brushed this grave human rights question under the carpet. Pleading for a long term view of the human rights issue, the report recalls what happened in Sierra Leone. There too, the foreign peace brokers had cynically installed a criminal rebel gang in power only for the sake of a settlement. But eventually, Britain had to deploy troops to clear the mess, created by this criminal outfit.
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- From: AJ (@ on-tor-blr-a58-02-85.look.ca)
on: Sat Jun 7 04:10:47 EDT 2003
>>You give a very bad name for name 'Tamil' there.<<
Many Sinhalese are selling their bodies in Middle East for cheap price,so should I say that you all Sinhalese are giving bad name for all Srilankans including us not just for the Sinhalese.
- From: AJ (@ on-tor-blr-a58-02-85.look.ca)
on: Sat Jun 7 04:12:41 EDT 2003
Lankapiss,
“Since Independence, Jaffna an ancient Sinhala homeland was the home for Tamils, Muslims and Sinhalese”
Yes Lankapiss, since independence theTamils are living in Jaffna before that your dumbass grand parents were living even in our house too. We know that, why don’t you come and claim it back. Don’t just piss around here. Buzz off.
- From: AJ (@ on-tor-blr-a58-02-85.look.ca)
on: Sat Jun 7 04:13:21 EDT 2003
"LTTE insurgents expelled some 46,000 Muslim inhabitants from their homes in 1990 - virtually the entire Muslim population”
What is this new found love for Muslims. During the world war time United States sent all Japanese Americans to concentration camps like setup in a remote island because fear of the collaboration but the LTTE only expelled the collaborators out of Jaffna. That was war time my friend, you are so shamed to even mention your Sinhala atrocities but just harping about the LTTE here. You are not worth of my time.
- From: AJ (@ on-tor-blr-a58-02-85.look.ca)
on: Sat Jun 7 04:14:30 EDT 2003
“You people are very good at pointing your finger at a piece of land and claiming it is yours.”
We don’t just claim any land you moron we own it and we live there for thousands of years. Go learn real Srilankan history not just the “cleverly contrived fiction” the Mahavamsa, I beginning to believe you must have come from some kind of “LALA LAND”.
“Why did you ethnic cleanse entire Muslimes from Jaffna? “
Don’t shed any crocodile tears for Muslims, they know your double faced sinhala, chauvinistic ideology. Tamil Eelam state or the country is for every Tamil speaking people and for the Sinhalese who lived in Tamil area before the colonization period. Pre 1956..
“Who is fighting the freedom of Muslims from you Terrorists?”
You are hoping for a Tamil Muslim fight. Sorry it won’t happen. Don’t you see how much Hakim and Prabhakaran became chums? Why do you think Hakim is running to vanni almost every month to see Prabhkaran? Wait, we all Tamil speaking people will soon thumb our nose at you Moron.
- From: lp (@ 225.minneapolis-09rh15rt.mn.dial-access.att.net)
on: Sat Jun 7 09:41:45 EDT 2003
"Tamil Eelam state or the country is for every Tamil speaking people and for the Sinhalese who lived in Tamil area before the colonization period. Pre 1956..
"
Here is my racist statement, I just made it up to laugh at you Tamil Racists and Muslim killers
Sri Lankan is for Sinhalese only who arrived there thousands of years ago before a single Tamil step on her.
How about that"
Learn to swim, go back and live happily in your homeland TN.
- From: AJ (@ on-tor-blr-a58-02-41.look.ca)
on: Sat Jun 7 12:56:51 EDT 2003
>>Sri Lankan is for Sinhalese only who arrived there thousands of years ago before a single Tamil step on her.http://lankabhumi.org/tiruketeeswaram-2.htm
http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/fr/2002/12/06/stories/2002120601140600.htm
I think I should iignore you like everyone else in this forum.
- From: AJ (@ on-tor-blr-a58-02-41.look.ca)
on: Sat Jun 7 12:59:56 EDT 2003
“Sri Lankan is for Sinhalese only who arrived there thousands of years ago before a single Tamil step on her.”
How did you know this 3000 years crap. Your Mahavamsa told you that right,.
According to Mahavamsa, Vijaya came to srilanka with his friends 700 thugs.
He married to Pandiya princess from Madurai and the Pandiya king of Madurai sent more than 700 other women and their families and all kind of workers to serve his daughter. Mother of the Sinhala race is a Tamil princess and her friends of Tamil Pandiya kingdom of Madurai.
I am sure, with all other spins you must have learned this also in your Mahavamsa.
Now I don’t know who is lying Mahavamsa or You?
More references:“During the 5th C.B.C. Vijaya married a Pandiyan princess whose retinue consisted of a thousand families of eighteen guilds. This shows that the Pandyans of South India of the 5th C.B.C. was a well developed and established state with division of labour even before the coming of Vijaya.” -Original people of Srilanka-
ACCORDING TO YOUR MAHAVAMSA WE TAMILS ARE IN SRILANKA RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING.
According to eminent Sinhala Historian and Cambridge scholar Paul E. Peiris
" ... it stands to reason that a country which was only thirty miles from India and which would have been seen by Indian fisherman every morning as they sailed out to catch their fish, would have been occupied as soon as the continent was peopled by men who understood how to sail ..... Long before the arrival of Prince Vijaya, there were in Sri Lanka five recognised isvarams of Siva which claimed and received adoration of all India. These were Tiruketeeswaram near Mahatitha; Munneeswaram dominating Salawatta and the pearl fishery; Tondeswaram near Mantota; Tirkoneswaram near the great bay of Kottiyar and Nakuleswaram near Kankesanthurai. Their situation close to these ports cannot be the result of accident or caprice and was probably determined by the concourse of a wealthy mercantile population whose religious wants called for attention ...." (Paul E. Pieris: Nagadipa and Buddhist Remains in Jaffna: Journal of Royal Asiatic Society, Ceylon Branch Vol.28)
So, you LANKAPISS has more authority on Srilankan History than the eminent and noble Cambridge educated Sinhala Historian Paul E. Peiris?
an illustrious Chief Justice, Sir Alexander Johnstone wrote on 01.07.1827 to the Royal Asiatic Society of Great Britain and Ireland thus:
"... I think it may safely be concluded both from them and from all the different histories which I have in my possession, that the race of people who inhabited the whole of the Northern and Eastern Provinces of the Island of Ceylon, at the period of their greatest agricultural prosperity spoke the same language, used the same written character, and had the same origin, religion, castes, laws and manners, as that race of people who at the same period inhabited the southern peninsula of India..."
- From: AJ (@ on-tor-blr-a58-02-41.look.ca)
on: Sat Jun 7 13:07:50 EDT 2003
THIRUKETHEESWARAM IS an ancient temple in Manthottamam, in Mannar District, about seven miles north of the Mannar Town. According to legend, it was at this ancient temple that Kethu Bhagavan worshipped Lord Easwaram (Shiva). Hence the shrine acquired the name of Thiruketheeswaram.
According to scholar and historian, Paul E. Peiris, "... long before the arrival of Vijaya (6th century B.C.), there were five Eeswarams of Siva in Sri Lanka — Thiruketheeswaram near Mahathitha, Munneswaram dominating Salamatte (Chillaw), pearl fishery Thondeswaram near Dondra, Thirukoneswaram near the great Bay of Kottiyar (Trincomalee) and Naguleswaram near Kankesanturai.
http://www.thehindu.com/thehindu/fr/2002/12/06/stories/2002120601140600.htm
The celebrated historian J.W. Bennet wrote (1843): “At Mantotte the antiquarian will find a field for research in the still extant remains of remote antiquity, amongst which are the vestiges of an immense tank (Giant Tank) arid the ruins of a former Hindu City, built of birch. The antiquity of the Hindus, by whom, I humbly presume, the island was originally peopled, and their civilization at the remotest period of history, are recognized by all the ancient Eastern Philosophers.”
http://lankabhumi.org/tiruketeeswaram-2.htm
- From: LP (@ 216.minneapolis-09rh16rt.mn.dial-access.att.net)
on: Sun Jun 8 01:11:55 EDT 2003
First of all, you unloaded lot of LTTE crap here. I don't want to go and read them all. Pro Eelam Tamils are known to re-write history in Tamil favor.
Let's simplify things.
Let's throw your and my history. I am not a historian, I make my living playing God rather than dusting old books.
Let's look at Sinhalese and Tamil people in Sri Lanka and use common sense.
Sinhalese is only spoken in Sri Lanka, Tamil is spoken in India and Sri Lanka.
My point is that since Tamils are recent arrivals, they haven't been living in Sri Lanka for a long time to develop a language of their own. This will end any discussion on who came to Sri Lanka first.
What makes you think that most of Tamil spoken people in NE are not Sinhalese from the South, who went to TN, learned Tamil and settled in the North since it is easy to go back and forth that way (kind of like Sinhalese who lived in London for a long time and now living in Colombo and never speak Sinhalese).
Pardon my ignorance, is Lord Easwaram (Shiva) a God or a Human?
- From: Thamilan (@ 12.151.162.23)
on: Sun Jun 8 06:39:50 EDT 2003
Haa a Lanka Pussssssssss againg with a Puss argument.
“First of all, you unloaded lot of LTTE crap here. I don't want to go and read them all. Pro Eelam Tamils are known to re-write history in Tamil favor.”
Commmeee onnn you read all of AJs postings and you know that that is the truth and the truth is hard to believe for someone like you.
“Let's simplify things.
Let's throw your and my history. I am not a historian, I make my living playing God rather than dusting old books.
Let's look at Sinhalese and Tamil people in Sri Lanka and use common sense.
Sinhalese is only spoken in Sri Lanka, Tamil is spoken in India and Sri Lanka.”
Hey you don’t have a history to THROUGH AWAY it is our history that you copied and now you want to through it away ( You are Silly ). Try going to some history classes or try a good Library if you don’t know history ( The internet will tell you history ). If you don’t know history don’t talk about history.
Singhalam ( Singhathin Kalam ) is not much older than 5 Centauries. The guy who ruled Singhathin kalam was a Thamilan remember that. People in Colombo on those days say, have you been to Singhathin Kalam which has gone through Vikaram ( Vikara Vela ) and now you call it Singhalam.
How did Singhalam Start to exist : it is a mix of languages ( Pali ( Indo Ariyan ), Thamil ( This includes Malayalam ) , Urdhu ( Indo Ariyan ), Samaskiratham ( As usual ), Ollantha ,Porthukesam and God knows what. Your Writing is not as you call Singhalam it is know in Thamil as Asoka Pirami ( King Asokan Format who made his selves a new version of Thamil Pirami ). You can see that in Anthra Pradesh they use the same letter’s. There is nothing called Singhala or what ever you want to call in Illangai remember. Of course the truth hurts.
“My point is that since Tamils are recent arrivals, they haven't been living in Sri Lanka for a long time to develop a language of their own. This will end any discussion on who came to Sri Lanka first.”
You said that you were not a historian so how come you can judge that the Thamil came to Illangai recently. If it makes you happy you can think what ever lies you want to think and AJ has explained how you Murderers got to the Island of Illangai ( When we were here Geologically the Illangai was attached to the main continent ) in his previous posting very clearly please read care fully if you want to know your history.
“What makes you think that most of Tamil spoken people in NE are not Sinhalese from the South, who went to TN, learned Tamil and settled in the North since it is easy to go back and forth that way (kind of like Sinhalese who lived in London for a long time and now living in Colombo and never speak Sinhalese).”
Yaaa right we want to give up our Rich tradition and culture and want ourselves to be called Singhales. I will let you know a secret YOUR ARGUMENT ARE SO STUPID AND BASE LESS. Didn’t this idea come to you there are 80 million Thamilar in TN and why since they were very close to Illangai could have easily come to Illangai before you were even out of the cave man bodies.
“Pardon my ignorance, is Lord Easwaram (Shiva) a God or a Human?”
Kallay Manitharay Payeyae kanngalae _ Vallsurarai munivarai Thevarai ella pirapum EmPeruman Pirantheduthan.
If you don’t understand : he has been born as Rocks, Humans, Ghosts, Spirits, Thever and everything you feel so you figure it how you want to see him. I think Kathirkama Murugan can explain it to you more clearly since God is his father ( You like to pray to our God when you are in trouble but you don’t know who is who, you have already taken Kathirkamam under you control with your trickery but God will be the final Judge ).
You cannot win this argument because God ( Truth ) is in our side, Remember.
Ever heard of Evil winning Good ( God ).
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