The Matrix ....... and Hinduism
Topic started by Anbu (@ 210.186.51.66) on Sat Jun 14 06:34:19 .
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Here's an interesting critique of the movie
'Matrix Reloaded' recently released. In between
the special effects and barely understandable
dialog, the plot revolves around some profound
Hindu philosophy. Reading this article first and
then seeing the movie may make the experience a
little more enlightening.
The Matrix of Indian philosophy Reloaded
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ FRIDAY, MAY 30, 2003 03:39:40
AM ]
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=47915199
Imagine. The world is an illusion. The universe
is composed of computer codes... a virtual
fantasy force fed to us. The most over-analysed
movie since film critics were invented, The
Matrix: Reloaded abounds with theological
references. Christianity, Buddhism... all streams
jostle for space, even as a hefty dose of Greek
philosophy is thrown in.
But the very premise on which the movie is based
— the illusory world versus the real world —
recalls the concept of ‘Maya’ in Hinduism. ‘‘Maya
has several levels to it of which illusion is one
level. The foundation on which The Matrix is
based assumes that ours is a computer-coded world
— hence, it is an illusion. In this regard, there
is a parallel,’’ says sociologist Ashish Nandy.
The Vedas state that whatever is happening all
around is Maya, a dream which Lord Vishnu sees as
He sleeps. Maya shields the truth or Brahman from
the self or Atman. ‘‘Maya, as a concept, is both
fluid and unstable. It exists but, at the same
time, it is fictitious,’’ says Imtiaz Ahmed,
professor of sociology at JNU.
This explanation is analogous to The Matrix
philosophy, which states that we live in an
illusory world and only an unplugged/awake world
is the real world. In the movie, Neo, Morpheus
and Trinity often leave the real world behind
and, by computer wizardry, enter the Matrix. But
it is not their physical beings, but their mental
projections which fight all the battles. This
recalls the Vedanta concept of ‘mithya’, the
belief that only the Almighty is real.
The Vedantas say that humans live in a world of
illusion and, when we comprehend this reality, we
realise that man and the Almighty are one.
‘‘Acceptance of the ‘real world’ can be linked to
Brahman — the supreme consciousness. Sankara
asserts that the individual Atman and the
universal Brahman are one and the same and the
concept of a creator distinct from the creation
is a cosmic illusion,’’ says spiritual guru
Sudarshanacharya Maharaj. Moreover, Neo’s
realisation that the world is a computer
programme is compared to attaining nirvana.
In one scene, a boy bends a spoon by sheer
will-power and tells Neo, ‘‘To bend the spoon,
you need to realise that there is no spoon. The
spoon does not bend, you yourself bend.’’ When
Neo realises the truth about illusion, he becomes
omnipotent — he is even able to stop bullets!
‘‘Hinduism propounds a similar belief. It talks
about nirvana and how, when man attains divine
knowledge, he conquers all fear; he experiences
eternal peace,’’ says Sudarshanacharya Maharaj.
Moreover, as with Arjuna in the Mahabharata, Neo,
is caught in a dilemma at the hour of reckoning —
of having to choose between saving the world and
saving Trinity.
Neo chooses the latter, thus deviating from his
‘duty’ as interpreted by Lord Krishna in the
Gita. However, his prior exchange with the Oracle
is insightful. ‘‘You already know my choice. How
is it a choice then? What if I do not choose?’’
he asks her. ‘‘Even that is making a choice,’’
she tells him. ‘‘Knowledge is the only truth.
Knowledge is power — the power to make a choice.
And this power helps good in its fight against
evil — be it in the Mahabharata or The Matrix,’’
says TKV Subramaniam, dean of social sciences at
DU.
Behind the metaphoric blitzkrieg perforating The
Matrix: Reloaded is the unwritten word of Indian
philosophy, which has influenced man and mankind
since time immemorial. Ironically, it has taken
the box-office success of a blockbuster movie
based on illusion to reload a universal truth —
Indian in spirit —once again.
delhitimes@indiatimes.com
Responses:
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- From: Al (@ 213-145-174-180.dd.nextgentel.com)
on: Mon Jun 16 01:09:50 EDT 2003
//From: neo_morpheus (@ ppp-219.65.96.28.chn.vsnl.net.in) on: Sun Jun 15 17:13:07 EDT 2003
Dear ArunthavAl, //
Hehehe ...arunthaVaal..
Nice name for AruVaal Neo!
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Mon Jun 16 04:50:07 EDT 2003
this idiot neo is none other than our pal Dr KRishna bin laden. He was in USA long back. Poor soul must have got laid off working as a cyber coolie. I heard many goults started working in McDonalds but our pal Dr Krishna Bin Laden had BC certificates which were not accepted in the US.
Unfortunately, he as our pal, Dr Butler Al Dorai for help in securing a butler job in Europe. But our butler wanted to convert our pal Dr Krishna Bin Laden.
Dr Krishna Bin Laden refused. And then our butler Dr Al Dorai had him deported from Europe.
- From: Anbu (@ 210.186.61.153)
on: Mon Jun 16 09:13:02 EDT 2003
What is your problem neo_morpheus?
I reproduce an article from Times of India, a reputable publication, so that a discussion can take place.
Instead of talking about the article, you have launched a personal attack. If your basis of attack is based on some third party hearsay, say so, and then I can choose to ignore you and discuss with people with sontha buthi.
At the rate you guys are venting your hatred, it is just a metter of time you self-destroy yourselves. Have fun with your hatred.
Me? I choose my opponents.
- From: Skanthavelu Nadarajah (@ edtntnt11-port-155.dial.telus.net)
on: Mon Jun 16 09:24:17 EDT 2003
vaNakkam, Anbu!
neengaL eppidi irukkiReergaL?
About your article. It is very interesting.
- From: Vignesh (@ lan-202-144-91-253.maa.sify.net)
on: Mon Jun 16 10:49:13 EDT 2003
Anbu,
The article was quite interesting.Some of Adi Sankara's works have been translated word-by-word and is present in this IIT Madras website.
In this site,i read "Viveka chudamani" of Adi Sankara which dealt with the concept of maya.
Other works are also present.
http://acharya.iitm.ac.in/mirrors/vv/prntn.html
You can read at your convenience.
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Mon Jun 16 16:54:00 EDT 2003
Anbu, remember our Barking Lord Krishna. That idiot was laid off from his $20 K job in the US. he is in india now. He is posting under the handle of neo_morpheus.
- From: Anbu (@ 203.106.139.119)
on: Tue Jun 17 09:25:30 EDT 2003
Thanks Vignesh for your comments. Your link is pretty exhausting.
Will read at leisure. Thanks.
- From: n_m (@ ppp-219.65.96.54.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Wed Jun 18 02:34:51 EDT 2003
Hahahah!
If this is how you 'realise' 'truths' using your 'vedic' knowledge - then we can gauge the 'worth' of the vedic crap!
I can imagine 'krishna' laughing reading lal these stuff!
I'm not the krishna u stupid goose!
try a lil harder!
- From: Harish Kumar (@ 203.195.215.254)
on: Wed Jun 18 04:10:27 EDT 2003
Backwards cannot read an article properly and appreciate it or offer meaningful criticism.They can only making fun of others and launch personal attacks.
So ignore the backwards and try to discuss with the others.
- From: neo_morpheus (@ ppp-219.65.96.26.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Wed Jun 18 11:02:57 EDT 2003
enna madhwachAri 'harish' kiLi jOsiyarE!
kiLi eppidi irukku? nellu ozunga vakkiRiyA? illiyA?!!
- From: Harish Kumar (@ 203.195.215.254)
on: Thu Jun 19 04:56:24 EDT 2003
YOu parrot brained idiot.Can you offer meaningful criticism on that article ? Can you do anything more than abusing others ? Do you even know how to destroy brahmins.Rest assured brahmins and caste system will be sestroyed in India but it will we done by brahmins who alone have the competence to do it , not you cylce chain weilding idiots and brahmana ponnungal paathu jollu vidura muttaaalgal.We don't need kili josiyam.Its only for fools like you.We can using our intelligence predict the future.
- From: Harish Kumar (@ 203.195.215.254)
on: Thu Jun 19 04:58:42 EDT 2003
Originally posted by me.
//Backwards cannot read an article properly and appreciate it or offer meaningful criticism.They can only making fun of others and launch personal attacks.
//
The previous post by neo_morpheus has proved my above statement.
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Thu Jun 19 06:15:17 EDT 2003
Harish, this idiot neo_morpheus used to post as Krishna. He was a software coolie in the US earning about $20 K and he got laid off and is in india now.
You should see in the archies how Nisala scared him to hell.
- From: Arumbakkam Albert Ambrose (@ 202.9.169.206)
on: Thu Jun 19 07:51:58 EDT 2003
All Tamils should learn the wisdom hidden in the Bible. Bible is the only religious text which foretold every event in the earth, it contains the greatest spiritual truths.
They should take a movie by getting inspiration from Bible. But the problem is, they will be granted 'Adults only' certificate by the stupid censor board of India.
Anyhow as long us , our dravidian brothers like neo_morpus blast only the Vedas and not the Bible, there is a possibility of the koliwood producing such movies inspired by the Biblical wisdom (already ramanarayanan is planning one such movie with ramarajan as the hero...ramarajan will play the role of Pope).
- From: neo_morpheus (@ ppp-219.65.97.47.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Thu Jun 19 09:17:07 EDT 2003
Karu 'Orphan' Mongrel!
When wud you learn to 'understand' things?!
I have told you that i'm not that Krishna who scared the hell out of all you aryan wolfies!
and this kiLi jOsiyar harish is talking about 'understanding by reading'!! oh come on baby! is this all about 'understanding the truth'!...isn't the one-point program for all u aryan wolves is to do some breast-beating about vedic crap and 'mAyA' bull****!
>>You should see in the archies how Nisala scared him to hell.>>
The 'aryan wolverine' is out of the bag!..This karu-mongrel is conducting false-propaganda that the RSS-aryan parivar is supporting the eezham thamizh cause, elsewhere in the forum, and look what he is most happy about!
He's damn happy about the sinhala racist mottai erumaimAdu Nisala's 'scary' visage! way to go karu-mundam illegit-orphan of an aryan bitch.
- From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com)
on: Thu Jun 19 19:48:19 EDT 2003
Dear Barking Lord Krishna, you must have got kicked out of the US because of your stupidity. That is all. They are not bothered by the fact that you are a Muslim disguised as a thengalai iyengar!
- From: Harish Kumar (@ 203.195.215.254)
on: Fri Jun 20 05:59:13 EDT 2003
//some breast-beating about vedic crap and 'mAyA' bull****! //
Nobody is doing some breast beating.If you disagree you can say why it is all wrong.But backwards cannot criticize the Vedas and point out the flaws.All they can talk about is parrots and aryan bitches.Poor fellows , why dont somebody give him an aryan girl to s!crew ???
- From: neo_morpheus (@ ppp-219.65.97.156.chn.vsnl.net.in)
on: Fri Jun 20 09:12:06 EDT 2003
>>why dont somebody give him an aryan girl to s!crew ???>>
kootti kudukkarathuthAn ungalavAlukku 'kai vantha kalai' ache?!!! pala Ayiram varushamA kooti kuduthuthAna vAznthuNdu irukkEL?!! ungalavAlukku solliyA tharanum!
'aryan girl' paththi theriyAthO?!!..
sondha AmbadaiyAna 'aNNA'-nu solluvA..pakkaththu
Aththula irukkavana 'mAmA'-mbA!!!
appuram nOkku vEra enna puththi varum!
- From: Harish Kumar (@ 203.195.215.254)
on: Fri Jun 20 10:16:37 EDT 2003
Idiots.Jesus rightly said "Don't cast your pearls before the swines" akin to Manu's injunction not to tell high spiritual matters to low class fellows.
Anyway I have difficulty understanding Iyer tamil.I am not an Iyer.I am a very westernised person.
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