Topic started by N. Moodley (@ molten-ext.nus.edu.sg) on Sun Aug 3 04:18:20 .
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I am a South African Tamil living in Singapore. I recently noticed something about Singapore North Indians (ie Singaporean of North Indian decent). Whenever they meet me, they expect me to speak to them in Hindi. If I do not, they tell me that I should learn Hindi as its the national language of India and its about Indian pride.

However, when most North Indians living in Singapore send their children to school, they get them to learn Malay and not Tamil (both of which are offered in all government schools in Singapore). Surely, in the absense of Hindi being taught in schools, they should get their children to learn another Indian language. Is Tamil seen as less Indian than Hindi to the point that its better to learn Malay than Tamil.

Please no North Indian bashing to this reply. Just trying to understand thats all.

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• From: ind (@ c-67-163-118-94.client.comcast.net) on: Sat Apr 24 06:00:29 EDT 2004
  
  I am an Indian hailing from Uttaranchal married to another indian from Andhra - Could not help stumble to this page while looking some info on indians in Singapore.. All I can say is "THIS FORUM IS SOOO SAD"
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ 142.76.1.62) on: Mon Apr 26 13:29:13 EDT 2004
  
  ah truly yes 'ind' since the origin of your name it self should be 'sindhu' and this forum isn't sad compared to what Thamizhan and Thamizh descends suffer under the (H)Indian dominion! You might know it well since you know little about Thamizh and Thamizh descends.
  
  
• From: v (@ 203.94.222.77) on: Mon May 3 10:31:09 EDT 2004
  
  Sanskrit is Tamizh `s Ha-thiruththam.
  Thiru+mozhi,Thrimozhi,Thramizh,Thamizh
  Etymologically it could be "hathiruth-hathrith-sathrith-sanskrith."
  
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Tolkaappiyar/
  Oum Namaha Shivaya.
  Agastya Rishi
  This group is opened up to discuss the field of Historical Linguistics as a field belonging to Hermeneutic Science which was exemplified by Tolkaappiyar(c. 3OO BC). The postings may be technical and with active participation by all linguists especially the Dravidian and Indian linguists. Opportunity will also be taken to post classical articles and monographs related to these fields and which may later be uploaded in the Tolkaappiyam Campus. Linguists and amateurs interested in being aware of such dicussions are most welcome to join the group.
  I remember that i presented a paper on tamil grammar a merry go
  round way back in1989 to IITS_Taramani Chennai.
  Somehow the article was not published nor any communication received
  to that effect.
  Unfortunately i did not retain a copy of my research. But the logic
  i developed i recollect now which is as follows.:
  With 12 vowels and one neuter which is called as "ayutha
  ezhuththu"and 18 consonents it is by far the first attempt to
  systematise a language into the structured format.
  vowels A consonent preceding"
  even vowels can precede them.
  ya=is formed by=A+i+a
  The peculiarity of cha is that at any place other than the first in
  a word it lightens to sa and preceding with another half consonent
  ich it regains cha status.
  Language learners in the formal education pattern are not fed with
  good logic resulting in bad pronounciation which we often see.
  kha/gha" as "¸·«' and with that eliminate the need for '‹' in the
  script?
  "¸·«'can be "¸·"and "ig"can be"·ì"."ghan"(musik)can be"¸·¬ý".it
  could be "¸·¡ý" .
  Like this we transliterate sanskrit text but my idea goes beyond
  this.
  Since sanskrit is a derived language from tamil i am in the order of
  fixing sanskrit to tamil orgin not to attempt adapting tamil to
  sanskrit as i told you that sanskri is a derived language.
  I had already told you that we have to eliminate intermediate
  consonents from sanskrit words and adopt tamil equivalent to prove
  that the world is classical tamil or sumerian tamil.There may be
  varients in the process of development cycle of sanskrit.
  One thing comes to my mind is that rg veda could be a product of 1st
  tamil sangam.
  tamil and sankrit are now two school of thoughts emerging from their
  mother sumerian tamil.While formulation of rg veda there might two
  school of thoughts one to restrict phonetics to first order
  consonents and second to elongate to intermediary order this also
  the reason i believe that we can reduce sanskrit to its orginal
  tamil form.
  May be we are making some progress here that may lead into
  understanding better how from the same basic phonology of Sumerian
  the phonology of Sanskrit as different from it developed.
  >The need to induce large volume of words into the vocabulary
  could have resulted in thinkers of those days to extrapolate (ha)to
  form multitude of permutations in the language and form a new
  structural varient from sumerian tamil.
  sanskrit and c.tamil should then share same roots for their
  ancestors are same that is dravidians and not aryans.
  Attempt towards this proposition ahs already started and let us hope
  in the near future we will be able to substantiate this view.
  
  Hi
  I believe you may be right. Once we seriously look at
  the role Sanskrit played as a link language in India,
  and accept the fact that the Dravidians introduced a
  literary tradition in India and Central Asia, then we
  can realize the role Dravidian played in providing a
  frame for the Sanskrit language.
  It is interesting that the Pakistani scholars
  appear to accept the Dravidian influence over their
  languag, yet the Hindi speakers will not. I wonder
  why??? Let us remember that Sanskrit was used to unite
  Indian people, later it became the property of the
  elites, who made it into a code to unite their class.
  C.A. Winters
  
  Since i find C.Tamil and Sanskrit to be two schools emanating
  from sumerian Tamil .I tend to apply the logic that Sanskrit
  produced the three higher order of consonent at a later stage when
  it branched out of C.tamil in order to refine the language structure
  with the advancvement of then civilization But both are /should have
  been from the same stock of people but with different affiliation of
  language development like todays microsoft/sunmicrosystam or
  anyother.It is yet probed what were those compulsions that Three
  higher orders became imperitive in the development cycle of Tamil.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ 142.76.1.62) on: Tue May 4 11:48:57 EDT 2004
  
  
  Some of the things you said above aren't true like Agathya Rishi(VERY WRONG)! Agathyar was a Thamizh Professor and Philosopher of ancient time he wasn't a Rishi or w/e you call!
  
  Next even if we acecpt Agathya rishi theory..I think you need to accept the truth that
  Dravidan came from the Thamizh word 'Thamizhan'
  
  Thamizhan--> Dramilan --> Dravidan
  
  and your theory of Thamizh coming from Thitumozhi--> Thitamozhi--> Thamizh could be wrong or missing a link because.
  
  Thamizh may have been called as Thitumozhi it's not a suprise but term like Thiramozhi or somethig similar to it..wouldn't have existed even in Late 'Thamizh Sangam' (Thamizh Academy). The origin of the word 'Thamizh' is unknown as we don't know the meaning of 50% Thamizh words in Thamizh language although we know they are Thamizh but they remain without knowing of their original rooted meaning like 'matam, maNn, kal' and even if we find meanings to it..it's hard to find how the 'matapu ezhthukkal' formed..then and only we would be able to find the meaning of Thamizh..unless there is an easier way that people could think of..perhaps there is a way.
  
  
• From: tamil (@ bu-wcs1-kelly.nipr.mil) on: Tue May 4 19:25:44 EDT 2004
  
  fraud , backwards are tamilians
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ 142.76.1.62) on: Wed May 5 10:19:45 EDT 2004
  
  forward fools are anti-Thamizh
  
  
• From: lol (@ 203.101.38.172) on: Wed May 5 19:39:30 EDT 2004
  
  Loongi belt is always backward region
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ 142.76.1.62) on: Tue May 11 14:05:37 EDT 2004
  
  //From: lol (@ 203.101.38.172) on: Wed May 5 19:39:30 EDT 2004
  
  
  Loongi belt is always backward region//
  
  Our friend Lol forgot to state that belt is 'Hindi Belt' of (H)India.
  
  
• From: Lol (@ 203.101.36.246) on: Tue May 11 15:11:28 EDT 2004
  
  Where Tamilian goes the try to imitate north indian culture. I have seen in our country most of Tamilians try to name their babies like hIndi names, behave, follow hindi culture. Similary even in tamilnadu tamilians try to imitate North Indians. Same goes true in Singapore also. Most of tamilians try to act, dress, behave like north Indians. But I have not heard North Indians imitating Tamilians even if they live in Tamilnadu for ages...
  
  So which culture is superior, if tamil culture is superior then why they feel inferior, why they learn Hindi, North Indians do not learn Tamil, then why do Tamilians need to learn hindi, but many do to become modern advance by Indian means atleast.
  
  
• From: anti arrogant (@ cm124.gamma117.maxonline.com.sg) on: Wed May 12 05:26:35 EDT 2004
  
  North indians...hmph. They shout at each other while standing next to each other. The only reason they like to shop at mustafa center is becuase they are more used to dravidan tamils serving them......someone should send a foot up their @ss
  
  
• From: lev (@ bu-wcs1-kelly.nipr.mil) on: Wed May 12 19:57:26 EDT 2004
  
  Idiappam is still making dosas infront of mustafa or mustapa
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ 142.76.1.62) on: Thu May 13 13:00:23 EDT 2004
  
  wanna help our friend Idiappam by grinding the flower? lev? Don't run away fool..it's only the flower!
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ 142.76.1.62) on: Thu May 13 13:00:45 EDT 2004
  
  Oops did I say Flower? Sorry Flour:D
  
  
• From: lev (@ sdn-ap-020ilchicp0469.dialsprint.net) on: Thu May 13 20:50:43 EDT 2004
  
  I am already cleaning Mustafa toilets. You want me to grind flour also!?
  
  
• From: Nedunchezhiyan (@ 142.76.1.62) (@ 218.17.90.132) on: Fri May 21 14:50:43 EDT 2004
  
  I want to glean all the naarth indian toilets in singapore.
  
  
• From: Lingam (@ bbcache-11.singnet.com.sg) on: Sun May 23 11:35:00 EDT 2004
  
  I can now aee why Sonia Ghandhi(a non-ethnic Indian) was elected to be Prime Minister of India after the recent elections. How sad? The Northerner and the Southerener are an interesting bed-fellow.
  
  
• From: Maha Lingam (@ ) on: Wed Jun 23 07:07:09
  
  North India is a funnny place...!
  
  However I have no complains about the noth Indian women - they are sooo horny at all times and they seem to like the secretive nature of the South Indian men enough to let them have sex with them while thier husbands are out.
  
  Watch out you pan-chewing northies, watch your woman's cunt... it opens up real fast!! And who knows you might as well have the genes of our forefathers.
  
  
• From: escaper (@ 61.1.210.150) on: Sat Jun 26 03:38:44 EDT 2004
  
  OHHHHH my dear brother maha lingam why you hve to tell this much lie about yourself or your people.JUst look at our black unevenly feautured and dirty tamils who are so secretive .ohhh just came to know about that sectretion.what is that about is the secretion drooping out so that you have to wear care free pads all the time.
  MAn what you are saying is the famous proverb that ```this grape is sour````.and you are that damn jumpy fox...
  
  
• From: escaper (@ 61.1.210.150) on: Sat Jun 26 03:43:17 EDT 2004
  
  OHHHHH my dear brother maha lingam why you hve to tell this much lie about yourself or your people.JUst look at our black unevenly feautured and dirty tamils who are so secretive .ohhh just came to know about that sectretion.what is that about is the secretion drooping out so that you have to wear care free pads all the time.
  MAn what you are saying is the famous proverb that ```this grape is sour````.and you are that damn jumpy fox...
  
  
• From: terrific lingam (@ 216.126.204.32) on: Thu Jul 1 15:53:10 EDT 2004
  
  Lingam means dic*k ,
  maha means giant or big
  so mahalingam literally means a giant dic*k which may hang in to ego masturbation. but no use.
  Poor mahalingam doesn't know what is the meaning of big diK?
  
  

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