tamil dalits do not want to be called as hindus
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Tamil Nadu Dalits want out of Hindu fold
By Papri Sri Raman, India Abroad News Service
Sunday April 15, 5:02 PM
Chennai, Apr 15 - Dalit outfits in Tamil Nadu have asked community members
to declare themselves non-Hindus, break free from the "shackles of the Hindu
caste system" and take a pledge that places them "outside the fold of
Hinduism."
Coming together on the 110th birth anniversary of late Dalit leader B.R.
Ambedkar, the representatives of the Dalit outfits repeated the "fundamental
principles of Buddhism," a 22-point charter by which Ambedkar swore in 1956
at Nagpur, when he converted to Buddhism.
According to P. Sainath, an Amnesty International award-winning journalist
and author, Dalits form 16.48 percent of India's more than billion-strong
population.
"Naangal Indukkal alla, yaarukkum adimai alla (We are not Hindus, nor are we
anyone's slaves)," speakers and participants declared at the Ambedkar
Manimandapam, the venue of the anniversary meeting, here Saturday. Dalit
Murasu and the Dalit Media Network organized the memorial function.
"We have not given a call for a conversion to Buddhism. This time we wanted
to do more than that. We wanted to remind the people of what Ambedkar said
and what he practiced," Punitha Pandian, the editor of Dalit Murasu, a
well-circulated monthly magazine in its fifth year of publication, said.
"One needs to first break out of the shackles of the Hindu caste system. One
needs to declare oneself a non-Hindu. For spiritual satisfaction, people
need a religion. That is the reason for embracing Buddhism," said V.
Vasanthi Devi, former vice-chancellor of the Manonmani University.
"Bringing Dalit groups into the ambit of Hinduism is a post-Gandhi
phenomenon. Gandhi called us Dalits, Harijans or children of god. Now
everyone wants to take the support of these backward groups on their road to
power. Even the RSS (right-wing Rashtriya Swayamsewak Sangh) calls us
Hindus. But political issues of economic empowerment for Dalits and land
rights remain un-addressed," said S. Natarajan, head of the "Panchami
Nilameetpu Iyakkam (Movement for the recovery of land belonging to the
depressed classes).
"When I looked for a flat to rent in Chennai a few months ago, the first
question I was asked by my landlord after I had paid Rs.80,000 as advance
was 'what is your caste'?" Said Velu Annamalai, an engineer, who has spent
30 years abroad, recalling a personal experience.
"We only hope to initiate a debate on this issue, given that several groups
in the country are already seriously considering this option -- conversion
to Buddhism on a mass scale. The All-India Scheduled Caste and Scheduled
Tribes Employees' Association, with one million members, has announced that
it would be embracing Buddhism on October 14," said P. Chandrakesan, a Dalit
leader.
"There is no such identity a person can claim as Hindu even if ideologues of
Hinduism have been harping on a seamless pan-Indian Hindu identity. We
Dalits and Adivasis (another socially underprivileged class) have never
been, are not, and shall never be Hindus for we have no caste. Caste Hindus
should not think that we are 'quitting' Hinduism. How can we quit something
we do not belong to?" he added.
Among others who spoke at the function were Viduthalai Rajendran, the
general secretary of the Periyar Dravida Kazhagam (PDK), Tamizh Mariyan, a
Buddhist scholar, author Aa Marx and human rights activist S.V. Rajadurai.
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- From: Poonai Virumbi (@ 203-195-203-203.now-india.net.in)
on: Sun Mar 28 05:46:26 EST 2004
don't pull in the cats , I am a cat lover
- From: jay (@ ac8f8c16.ipt.aol.com)
on: Sun Mar 28 16:30:12 EST 2004
: hater (@ 61.11.62.20) on: Sun Mar 28 04:35:52 EST 2004
oh here comes the 6ft tall, white punjabi with his turban or lets say a bihari ?? I'll address both of em.
Banta singhji/Lalooji..
>>u all are black and eat pig shiit and drink donkey uriine
isnt that your standard diet ?? i guess thats why you have a peanut sized brain. Didnt morarji desai drank his own piss?? may be try that therapy, your peanut sized brain can grow to a walnut sized one.
>>one thing is i hate uu all tamiilians is becoz u r not different from any monkey ...u r utterly brainless but heavily selfish idiiots.....may shiit be upon u and ur nasty culture.
hey moron, you are from a monkey too..may be from a white mutant monkey.
Your just look like a used sanitary napkin...red in color :))
- From: hello (@ 203.101.35.54)
on: Mon Apr 5 08:35:10 EDT 2004
I also piss on tamil slummish culture. they all need to learn hindi to remain hindus.
- From: digambara 'hello's' naked father (@ 64.246.11.20)
on: Mon Apr 5 12:45:46 EDT 2004
forgive hello for posting against the tamil people. he is just sore that his mom ran away with a tamil guy. she loves tamil dic!ks.This jain hello likes jainism because that allows him and his mom to run naked calling themself the digambaras. good culture this jains have compared to the 'slummish' tamils.
long live the naked digambara jain. long live the naked 'hello'. long live his naked mom.
- From: Tamil frauds (@ h-66-134-126-45.lsanca54.covad.net)
on: Mon Apr 5 16:13:39 EDT 2004
Long live Tamil AIDS beer , barota gulture.
- From: mannang katty (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com)
on: Mon Apr 5 22:42:22 EDT 2004
Now Mannag Katty is duplicated by a Christian assshole GENO from FORUM HUB. The following is not posted by me but a Christian sakkili from Forum Hub posted. So, Hindus must be aware of this forum hub. Further, the Anti-HINDU or Anti-Tamil posts are coming from FORUM HUB which is run by Christian coolies. They use names of mine and others who talk for HINDUS.
From: mannang katty (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Sun Mar 7 06:34:57 EST 2004
Good taste.. then no problem with Hindu religion
BENDING TO POPE IS A SERVICE TO TAMIL- FORUM HUB
GENO ADIKAL.
- From: jburnz (@ 208.147.1.1)
on: Wed Apr 14 03:13:00 EDT 2004
Inhumane treatment of another humnas is wrong. Wheter it is done by a Hindu, Christian or Muslim.
Focus on the acts of inhumanity and try to create a better society. Suh energy on hatred of others is riduculous. Those who put down people based on color or class actually have inferiority complexes and can only get a feeline of self -worth by degradibg others/ There is no high class orsuperior group. There are those whe were lucky enough to be born into wealth and those who were viictims of abuses of power.
Please put an end to such Hitleriisms
- From: DEVENDRA MALLAR (@ 61.0.119.58)
on: Wed Apr 14 06:32:22 EDT 2004
From: DEVENDRA MALLAR (@ 61.0.119.58) on: Wed Apr 14 06:29:30 EDT 2004
Where ever devendra kula vellalars are living there is no mudaliars.Except pallava desam ,all chera, chola, pandiya areas we are available.We have high regards for ANNA& madaliyar people since they fought for social respect.Kallars[mukkulathors] belong to PALAI land,PILLAIS were scribes, ministers&MALLARS[PALLARS] WERE THE RULERS OF CHERA, CHOLA, PANDIYA DESAM.After nayakkars invasion we lost our power and sufferring for last 800 years.Still we were able to kill nearly 300 mukkulathors during 1991-1996 caste clashes.These PALAI LAND ROBBERS WERE THR TRAITORS AND HELPED NAYAKKARS. THYEY GOT A GIFT OF RAMANATHAPURAM, PUDUKKOTTAI DRY LANDS FROM NAYAKKARS. YOU MANNANGATTI ARE PROUD OF YOUR CASTE , WE ARE PROUD OF OUR WARRIOR NATURE. THE BLOODY SC LIST IS CREATED BY BRITISH.SOME[CHANARS] ESCAPED, WE ARE TRAPPED.
- From: podda...pu.. (@ 210.212.83.82)
on: Fri Apr 16 10:58:26 EDT 2004
dai motherchod mannu mudalian drink my urine
- From: DEVENDRA MALLAR (@ 61.0.119.57)
on: Sat Apr 17 23:48:41 EDT 2004
DEVENDRA MALLAR (@ 61.0.119.58) on: Wed Apr 14 06:32:22 EDT 2004
From: DEVENDRA MALLAR (@ 61.0.119.58) on: Wed Apr 14 06:29:30 EDT 2004
Where ever devendra kula vellalars are living there is no mudaliars.Except pallava desam ,all chera, chola, pandiya areas we are available.We have high regards for ANNA& madaliyar people since they fought for social respect.Kallars[mukkulathors] belong to PALAI land,PILLAIS were scribes, ministers&MALLARS[PALLARS] WERE THE RULERS OF CHERA, CHOLA, PANDIYA DESAM.After nayakkars invasion we lost our power and sufferring for last 800 years.Still we were able to kill nearly 300 mukkulathors during 1991-1996 caste clashes.These PALAI LAND ROBBERS WERE THR TRAITORS AND HELPED NAYAKKARS. THYEY GOT A GIFT OF RAMANATHAPURAM, PUDUKKOTTAI DRY LANDS FROM NAYAKKARS. YOU MANNANGATTI ARE PROUD OF YOUR CASTE , WE ARE PROUD OF OUR WARRIOR NATURE. THE BLOODY SC LIST IS CREATED BY BRITISH.SOME[CHANARS] ESCAPED, WE ARE TRAPPED.
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