Sanskrit and Tamil

Topic started by Karuvayan (@ cs6668103-167.austin.rr.com) on Mon Jan 6 09:13:25 .
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What did great tamil poets like Appar, Sundarar, Mannickavasagar and Sambandhar feel about Sanskrit?

Surely they are not people like Periyar who call tamil Kaatu Murandi Baashai .

Periyar never liked Tamil. Why even Anna has composed a book called Kambarasam where he criticises Kambar.

But our DMK pals have been spreading false knowledge about Tamil. Muslims and Christians are also the mercenaries involved.

Not our divine poets. That is why they are divine.
They never recognised any Aryan or Dravidian stuff perpetrated by the Christian academics. They are saints.

thiruththoNDar purANam
panniraNDAm thirumuRai

thiruchchiRRambalam

thenRamizum vaDakalaiyum thEcikamum pEcuvana
manRiniDai n^aDampuriyum vaLLalaiyE poruLAka
onRiya meyyuNarvODum uLLurugip pADuvAr
panRiyuDan puL kANAp paramanaiyE pADuvAr

thiruchchiRRambalam

Meaning:
Taking the words of southern thamiz, northern art and words of knowledgeable, in which the Generous, Who dances in the dais, is the substance, with unified true feeling sings with the inside melting. They are the ones who are the singers of the Supreme unseen to pig and bird.

Purport:

1. For the worship of God what is more important is sincerity. Both thamiz as well as sanskrit are used for worship in olden days. Without bias devotees need to realize that the usage of these languages is to praise the glory of God. (For that matter any language other than these two too.) The worship may be through art or just by the love that are beyond the languages,
when there is real sincerity and devotion God would certainly listen.

So now that the very Thevaram speaks even about the glory of Sanskrit, surely you would now change your mind about Sanskrit, would you not follow on the same lines of Sambandhar, and Mannickavasagar?

Responses:

From: VC (@ 218.48.60.53) on: Sat Jan 11 17:56:18

Dey SoriVayan Karuvayan:

Why does everyone call you a thayoli mavan?

Was your father really a thayoli? Or is it because he mated with animals as you mentioned in your post regarding the secret of your birth?
From: ranjit (@ cache83.156ce.scvmaxonline.com.sg) on: Tue Feb 4 12:42:56

he is a pachai thayoli pudungi kottai to be better said
From: kooththan (@ mail1.pmc-vacc.com) on: Tue Feb 4 14:33:02

How do you know 'vada kalai' means 'vada mozhi'?

"would you not follow on the same lines of Sambandhar, and Mannickavasagar?"

Did Appar not stress the importance of worship in Tamil in all his writings? Can someone who knows better about these things enlighten me?

Also, isn't thiru thondar puranam aka periya puranam? If so, then it was not written by the devaram padiya moovar. It was written ABOUT them. In which case, how can you come to a conclusion about the three based on a quote of someone else?

Looks to me like you're trying too hard.

....later
From: Karuvayan (@ linux124.ma.utexas.edu) on: Wed Feb 5 22:50:56

Appar certainly did. But he also told us to worship in Samskrutam as well. That vyAkhyanam of the above murai is in periya puranam itself. It is not at all equivocal.

Besides, if you read about thirumoolar and some of the works of Dr.K Loganathan you would know.

I am not trying too hard. This is already self-evident.
From: Nithila (@ 203.149.49.6) on: Thu Feb 6 03:44:56

In which of Appar's song did he ask people to worship in Sanskrit also. If the worshipers understood the language then its fine. But without understanding and using the priest to an intermediate between us and GOD. Appar certainly said not to do.
From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417546-174.austin.rr.com) on: Thu Feb 6 05:31:45

First learn about Appar:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/6893/naapparp.html
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