Topic started by ravi (@ dialup-mum-203.94.225.230.bol.net.in) on Tue Sep 10 02:13:16 .
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It is heartening to know that finally mahadev shiva was cooled by Tamils in his own language.
It is a turning point in tamil hindu culture. A revivalism.Though there was resistence, from various quarters It happened.

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• From: ravi (@ 203.94.224.184) on: Tue Sep 17 00:11:13
  
  While Tamil vaishnavite Brahmins hold Prabhandhams in high esteem &feel the pride to get branded Ubhaya vedhantins(Ubhaya-two,Tamil &sanskrit)&developed maipravala bhasha An admixture of tamil &sanskrit.It is highly regretable that shiva worshippers /iyers Did not give sanctity to Tirumurai in shiva ,murugan & ganesh Temples &their homes .
  
  
• From: ravi (@ 203.94.224.184) on: Tue Sep 17 00:14:32
  
  Swami Nammalwar Is considered as Kalki Avtar.
  The Importance Given to His work as Sama veda cannot be overemphasised.Andal Has unique place in all vaishnavite homes.Now Should it not longer time to cleanse shiva temples with tamil murais.This should also be extended to other religions &give respect to Tamil.
  
  
• From: P.Haribabu (@ ) on: Fri Jan 24 09:29:35
  
  Did any one saw the 'Pandyarajan' film 'Adrasakai.. Adrasakai..'. the film was not so popula but in a scene Pandyarajan and Sangeetha goes to temple in that temple pandyarajan saws a board and asks sangeetha to reads 'ingu tamizhil archanai seyya padum'. then she asks what's there in it and he says, 'actually we have to writte here that that is tamil nadu.'
  
  This is true, we have to encurage the tamil 'Kudaimuzhukku'
  
  
• From: P.Haribabu (@ 61.11.85.149) on: Fri Jan 24 09:35:46
  
  Did any one saw the 'Pandyarajan' film 'Adrasakai.. Adrasakai..'. the film was not so popula but in a scene Pandyarajan and Sangeetha goes to temple in that temple pandyarajan saws a board and asks sangeetha to reads 'ingu tamizhil archanai seyya padum'. then she asks what's there in it and he says, 'actually we have to writte here that "ingu samaskrithath-thilum archanai seyya padum" that is tamil nadu.'
  
  This is true, we have to encurage the tamil 'Kudaimuzhukku'
  
  
• From: AJ (@ h216-18-119-45.gtconnect.net) on: Fri Jan 24 15:24:34
  
  >>'ingu tamizhil archanai seyya padum'. then she asks what's there in it and he says, 'actually we have to writte here that that is tamil nadu.<<<
  
  I saw the same board in many Temples of Tamil nadu. Therefore I asked the priest in quiet a few temples to do the archanai in Tamil but they refused to do that. The board is eyewash that is there to satisfy a legal requirement. In practice no one does the archanai in Tamil in TN. The sad truth is the Tamil doesn't get the rightful place even in Tamil Nadu. I think we must have this option to do the archanai in Tamil also, if we wanted to.
  
  
• From: anand (@ 210.18.90.1.sify.net) on: Mon Jul 5 06:30:02
  
  Hey folks,
  1.How many of U who do archanas in temples actually listen to the priest's mantras? Dores it really make any doifference if it is done in tamil or sanskrit?
  2.All the Divya Prbhandhams in Vaishnavaite temples are recited in tamil.
  
  The DK & DMK insist that archanas should be done in temples in tamil only. They claim to be secular. Then why don't they insist that tamil should be used in churches (not english) & in mosques (not arabic).
  
  They will not because they are "secular".
  
  
• From: anand (@ 210.18.90.1.sify.net) on: Mon Jul 5 06:36:32 EDT 2004
  
  The non-brahmins have come to regard sanaskrit as a brahmin langauge. Tll me, apart from the slokas, where is sanskrit? It is practically a dead language. How many brahmins know/study. sanskrit? Let us not live in the past.
  
  Brahmins have contributed the most towards the tamil language. If not for "Tamizh thaththa" U.Ve.Swamintaha Iyer, all the tamil classics would have been lost to us. His contribution has not been given its due beause he was a "brahmin".
  
  Pl. see tha matter objectively & not as one between B's & NB's.
  
  But I don't totally blame the non-brahmins either. Periyar has injected the poison of hatred against brahmins into them for 50 years & so it will take some time for them to see the truth.
  
  
  
• From: anand (@ 210.18.90.1.sify.net) on: Mon Jul 5 06:42:59 EDT 2004
  
  So many persons have lamented that tamil is not being given its rightful place, because of non-usage in temples. Ask yourself the following questions?
  1. How many of you have admitted your children in tamil meduium schools?
  2. Do they call you Appa or Daddy?
  
  U guys feel proud to say that your child is studying in a "convent". You beam when your child calls you daddy. You use words like "taste-aa irrukku", "tension aagadha", feel aagattha? etc. etc,. Is this tamil? Is this the respect that U have for the tamil langauge?
  
  U talk of films. I can quote many films where the tamizh vaadyar is shown as a comedian. Thirukkural is being made fun of in many movies. Have U not protested to this?
  
  
• From: anand (@ 210.18.90.1.sify.net) on: Mon Jul 5 06:45:43 EDT 2004
  
  Some persons have quoted from pandiarajan's films. Do Ypou know that all film pujas are done by brahmins who recite sanaksrit hymn. Why did the "tamizH" prodducer & director & others keep qiie?
  
  So, let us not stop talking rubbish like " tamil is dying in T.N" etc. Tamil is the oldest lnaguage in the world & it will live aqs long as mankind does. So, your fears are totally unfounded.
  
  
• From: Tamilan (@ alc112.alcatel.be) on: Wed Jul 21 06:34:38 EDT 2004
  
  They should understand that they came from kyber/bolan pass and not the owners of this land -India.
  They can have varnasrama between themselves, not include the owners of the land into that and
  Put them as the lowest category..
  I am from a rich landlord family with high moral values..I ‘ve heraed brahmins pointing me as sudra…
  Sudra means the lowest cadre in her varnasranma.. Who are these brahmins to call me like that in my own land?
  This irritates me to a great extent.. What will you tell for this…Mr.Anand
  
  
• From: anand (@ 210.18.90.1.sify.net) on: Thu Jul 22 01:55:50 EDT 2004
  
  tamilan,
  The kyber pass story is a myth. Read the latest studies that prove that the aryan invasion is a myth. Brahmins are not aliens living in your land. U say brahmins point you out as a shudra. That may be true with certain orthodox brahmins but to blame the entire lot is not correct. Also, among non brahmins, are there no differences? U say that U are from a rich landlaord's family. Do U treat the sc/sts the same way as U would from one from your own caste? Be honest in your answer.
  
  
• From: anand (@ 210.18.90.1.sify.net) on: Thu Jul 22 01:59:18 EDT 2004
  
  If U look at the history of caste clashes in TN, U will find that they have been only between thevars & dalits, vanniars & harijans etc., The temple car festival in cheranmahadevi has not been alowed to take place in the the last 4 years simply because the upper caste nbs have not allowed the dalits to even touch the car. This, in spite of a court order.
  
  We are deviating from the topic. The topic is not about Bs v/s Nbs, it is about the use of tamil.Answer to those points of mine.
  
  
• From: M Balakrishnan (@ ) on: Sat Sep 25 13:10:34
  
  There were in Tamizhnaadu no likes of Periyars, Kalaijnars, Mu Vas, Bharati Dasans, and such, in the earlier centuries to promote Tamizh prayers or misinformation against Sanskrit as a "practically dead language" . And yet, Panniru Tirumurais, Naalaayira Divyaprabhandhams, not to mention ever so many other Deivapaadalgals in glorious Tamizh, as well as the Vedic chants and numerous Stotrams, etc., in Sanskrit fourished and anyone who preferred had opportunities to learn them in either or both of the languages. Tamizh, was, in fact, vigorously promoted through musicaly tuned Bhakti items, NOT DOWNGRADED THROUGH NAA(S)THIGAM, HATRED AGAINST BRAHMINS/ARYANS/HINDI/PURANAS, AND AN ENDLESS ANNUAL REELOFF OF abasakuppais CALLED TAMIL FILMS (80% of them, apx.). Look, the Aruvathumoonru Naayanmaars had the greatest respect for the Vedas and the "Andhanars", and exclaimed "vaazhga andhanar, vaanavar, aaninam ... ", and both excellent rendering of Devaarams and Vedic chants had their due place in the idol processions from temples and Kovil rituals - the point is that when devotion to God is emphasized, and not linguistic or communal fanaticism, all good things grow in a natural way, unimpeded when love of one subsitutes hatred of another, as fools have always delighted in doing . The Thanjavur temple is an epitome of not only glorious Dravidian architecture, but also of the Aagama sastras which were originally from Sanskrit sources and later assimilated into Tamizh and also fused into living practice through a highly revered Saivism, by the great Adiyaars, Naayanmaars. The situation in regard to Vainavam (Vaishnavism) ran in parallel with regard to Bhakti packaging Tamizh. The point in these and other instances is that it is high time to put Tamil glory in its true perspective, by a campaign by the younger generation, not for outworn creeds and hatreds based on use of beautiful words to hide sense, BUT for making Tamizh and Tamizhnadu great. If my children (who have now their own) were taught Vishnusahasranamam and other Sanskrit hymns/compositions, they were taught Tamil songs and some works, and I (a nominal Brahmin) have learnt Tamil Devaarams, Divyaprabandhams, Tirukkural, Tiruppugazh, etc., as well a certain amount of Sanskrit literature and a good number of Sanskrit stotras &c. - BOTH WITH EQUAL ENTHUSIASM, and not just the words, but also their nominal meaning and inner significance. And, this day, I spend a lot of time spreading, in a limited friends' and family circles, much that I learnt out of love and with Divine Devotion, using English as the main medium, after narrating verbatim, the Tamizh or Sanskrit originals. As far as worship in temple at home is concerned, similar is my attitude - chanting or singing in both languages - with an Archana in Tamil (say for Lord Murugan), another in Sanskrit to another Deity. I believe is a right one. ALSO I MAY sound a note of caution: let us not spread linguistic or communal hatreds, let us fuse God or Godliness with all the good things of literature and life, together, even science (which is converging to ancient ancient philosophical wisdom of Rishis and Saints like Thirumular). Unless the Tamizh Koorum Nallulagam wakes up to our past (and not just archaic ancient) glories in the RIGHT perspective, Tamilnaadu will go down still further and further, while the rest of India grows in moderation free from fanaticisms preached by misleaders.
  
  

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