Topic started by Unmai (@ mcns95.docsis218.scvmaxonline.com.sg) on Sun Apr 7 06:17:11 .
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It is a fact that most of the top actresses in Kollywood are not tamils. Thus, they're all given dubbing voices, a common voice for all of them; Savitha.

It can get pretty irritating when all of them have the same voice.

Most of the actresses can speak Tamil, etc. Simran, Kushboo, Sneha, Meena, Devyani, Suvalakshimi and etc. Then, why are they still given dubbing voices???

Responses:

• From: Shakthi (@ bangdp-33-31.mantraonline.com) on: Sun Apr 7 08:14:47
  
  Unmai,
  
  "Most of the actresses can speak Tamil, etc. Simran, Kushboo, Sneha, Meena, Devyani, Suvalakshimi and etc. Then, why are they still given dubbing voices??? "<<<<
  
  I have always read ur comments on various topics and u seem to be non-judgemental, practical, and a very rational person. Ur arguments too are meaningful.
  
  Hence I wonder how u started such a thread?
  
  Every body would KNOW, that voice modulation is
  different from acting where facial expression is sufficient. In olden days, actors used to sing, dance, talk (no dubbing) and act. With the advancement of technology I would say, we have actors and actresses who are not all that versatile any more.
  
  So acting is different from "talking". Where right type of emotion should be exhibited thro the correct level of voice modulation.
  
  We have dupes for acting "stunt scenes for many actors, "dubbing" likewise has become an field or line by itself.
  
  1. Not all who can show face expression can have
  voice expressions and modulations.
  
  2. Not all who can talk with emotion are beautiful or catchy enough to show their faces on screen.
  
  There fore dubbing has become essential.
  Playback singing was not there in olden days, but is a new and promising career now. Same holds good for dubbing.
  
  Knowing or not knowing tamizh is not the question here.
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ mcns95.docsis218.scvmaxonline.com.sg) on: Sun Apr 7 11:29:21
  
  Shakti, thank you for your comments. I do agree with you to a certain extent but then again, actresses like Suvalakshimi, Meena, Simran and Devyani have been given chances to use their own voices in films. Except for Devyani, the rest are pretty good.
  
  Meena did well in Muthu.
  Suvalakshimi did well in House Full.
  Simran did well in Kannathil Mutthamittal.
  
  Apparently, they can use their own voices and act well too. So why don't the directors allow them to use their own voices?
  
  And Savitha happens to be giving voices for practically every actress. To an extent, you cannot say who is acting by merely hearing from the room or kitchen.
  
  Even if it is the voice modulation that counts, at least we should have a variety in voices. Rather than solely using one person's voice for all.
  
  
• From: senthilv.com (@ 12-239-160-236.client.attbi.com) on: Sun Apr 7 12:30:31
  
  Shakthi:
  
  Talking and acting are not different. They are one and the same. Ideally, they should not be seperated but our filmdom has seperated it and has taken a different route for various reason.
  
  And it is not technological advancement rather it is lack of adequate technology and technician to record good sound on location. Heyram used on location recording but even for that budget the sound was bad in the film. Duddbing(ADR) were supposed to be used to only correct "messed-up" lines by the actors but our filmdom has ADR as a norm. But I agree they do it good most of the time.
  
  
  1. Not all who can show face expression can have
  voice expressions and modulations.
  
  2. Not all who can talk with emotion are beautiful or catchy enough to show their faces on screen.
  
  
  This is a very popular myth and excuse for stereotyping audience taste. Actually, everyone has unique tone to them and you have use it to ur advantage. But most of our producer are AFRAID of trying new voices so they stick to "old" voices which have worked with people.
  
  Now, Why is this discrepancy for actress alone? How would feel if, Arvindswamy gave voice for Parthiban or if Kamal Hassan gave voice for Vijayakanth? But that is exactly what happens when it comes to actresses. May be "Knowing or not knowing tamizh is the question here" :-)
  
  Unmai:
  
  One other reason for voice dubbing, is budget. Why would producer pay $$$$$$$$ to simran for 3 days call-sheet for voice-dubbing her entire scences for the movie when he can get "old" actress or a "Dubbing" lady whom he can get cheaper :-)
  
  Also, once the bombay imports are given a dubbing voice and they become famous, people always identify them with thier voice+figure. So it is difficult to establish a "new" of thier own voice. Like kushboo.
  
  Actor Mohan was also one such case. His Voice was always dubbed by Singer sureendar thoughtout Mohan's career. Mohan(Kannadiga) did not know tamil well when he came into tamilfilmdom. Not that he voice was bad. They used to say without Sureendar's voice Mohan won't work with audience.
  
  senthilv.com
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ mcns95.docsis218.scvmaxonline.com.sg) on: Sun Apr 7 14:32:49
  
  Senthil! Well said! Point taken :)
  
  
• From: Ali Baba (@ sbproxy3.mystarhub.com.sg) on: Sun Apr 7 21:57:50
  
  Simrans Voice was dubbed in Kannathil Muthalmithal
  And i hate Savithas Dubbing for Simran N Jothika
  
  
• From: Shakthi (@ bangdp-33-37.mantraonline.com) on: Mon Apr 8 01:15:33
  
  Senthil, Unmai,
  
  Yes there were sense in ur argument. I agree.
  
  "Except for Devyani, the rest are pretty good. "<<<
  you bet!!! She has a very squeaky and shrill voice. (sorry not intended to hurt any of her fans)
  
  "How would feel if, Arvindswamy gave voice for Parthiban or if Kamal Hassan gave voice for Vijayakanth? "<<<
  
  I understand! I agree!
  
  Atleast they could have many more people into dubbing voices, to suit diffent actresses.
  
  "One other reason for voice dubbing, is budget. Why would producer pay $$$$$$$$ to simran for 3 days call-sheet for voice-dubbing her entire scences for the movie when he can get "old" actress or a "Dubbing" lady whom he can get cheaper :-) "<<
  
  yes, logical enough.
  
  thx
  
  
• From: Jan (@ cwpp-p-144-134-187-141.prem.tmns.net.au) on: Tue Apr 16 21:48:30
  
  Senthilv, you got right to the point. I have often heard before that Mohan's career wa son the down after he had a disagreement with the person who gave him his voice. Listening to the voices in 12B, it is very difficult to recognise who is who? So once again the issue is that actresses these days do not have many demands when they look for an acting position, they just have to act where as in the good old days, it probably would have been essential to have a good vioce as well as acting experience.
  
  
• From: Pathima (@ 213.86.122.5) on: Thu Apr 18 11:06:12
  
  Unmai you are by fair one the sound people I know on this forum hence your code name unmai. But the question is why stop at the voices, some actor/actresses can actually sing but how often to hear them in the films, Karthick, Kamal, Vijay and lately Vikram, Meena and Manoj. As Jan points out which is true there is no demand for these types of qualities , most of the bombay artists cannot even speak Tamil , Roja has trouble today and she has acted in 100 so films. The Tamil film world is artifical to the core, nothing is real
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ cache86.156ce.scvmaxonline.com.sg) on: Thu Apr 18 15:07:32
  
  I agree with you Pathima.
  
  Most of the actors are given chances to sing even if they have horrible voices, eg. Rajini, Karthik and etc.
  
  Whereas, the heroines are not given such chances even if they want it. Meena got her chances through Manoj. Sneha and Abhirami are actresses who love to sing and have openly expressed it. But they are yet to be approached and given a chance to sing.
  
  What's ironic is that, Priyanka Chopra, who does not know or speak a word of tamil was actually given a chance to sing in Tamizhan, an entire song!
  
  When Priyanka can sing a tamil song in her own voice, can't the other actresses speak tamil in their own voices?
  
  Filmworld is just biased. They carry those with influences and titles.
  
  
• From: srk (@ 212.201.44.135) on: Thu Apr 18 19:54:54
  
  *** Filmworld is just biased. They carry those with influences and titles***
  just think bit more..the whole world is biased.it gives special attention to those with influences and titles.
  
  unmai,shakti and senthiltv,u rightly pointed the various reasons for dubbing,another important one is when these ppl come to tamil industry they cant speak proper tamil and use the dubbing artist.Gradually we get accustomed to thier voice,producers and directors dont want to take risk and boldly let the actors/actress dub coz they cud incur huge loses
  even actress themselves wudnt like to do it in certain cases coz one mistake cud ruin thier career coz of highly competitive cine field.that was excatly the case of mohan and co...
  but bold directors like maniratnam and co.. take risks as they log for quality
  
  back in india,I was watchin nayandi darbar(a chat show hosted by yuhi sethu) savita was really disappointed that the dubbing artist didnt get any recognition except a fone call from the artists themselves,infact she said she hasnt met simran in her life!!
  i firmly believe that dubbing artist shud b given enough recognition and rightly be awarded..for ex jyotika's perfomance in kushi was enhanced manyforth coz of adept dubbing by savita,infact jyotika won filmfare award for the same!
  I think that either the dubbing artist shud b eradicated or accolades received by the artists shud be evenly shared.
  
  
• From: Shakthi (@ bangdp-37-13.mantraonline.com) on: Sun Apr 21 12:05:35
  
  Srk,
  
  Very well said.
  
  
• From: senthilv.com (@ 12-239-160-236.client.attbi.com) on: Sun Apr 21 22:17:11
  
  SRK:
  
  Very good point. If we go by this trend, we definetely need to credit dubbing voices and give awards. I don't think dubbing will ever be eliminated in near future.
  
  
• From: Hehuha (@ ppp-200-5-174.bng.vsnl.net.in) on: Wed Apr 24 15:05:05
  
  Someone,plzzzz-who dubbed for Simran in KM?Very familiar voice-not able to figure out who.
  
  
• From: Hhuha (@ ppp-200-5-133.bng.vsnl.net.in) on: Wed Apr 24 23:54:30
  
  Someone,plzzzz-who dubbed for Simran in KM?Very familiar voice-not able to figure out who
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ cache86.156ce.scvmaxonline.com.sg) on: Thu Apr 25 02:16:46
  
  I read in a magazine that it is her own voice. I'm not too sure.
  
  
• From: Hehuha (@ ppp-182-155.bng.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu Apr 25 03:44:07
  
  She cudn't have got the accent so perfect-quite sure its not her....
  
  
• From: coochy (@ ppp-176-173.bng.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu Apr 25 05:51:36
  
  Was it Vasuki(Of the original "Ramani vs Ramani fame)?
  
  
• From: raj (@ 198.151.230.253) on: Thu Apr 25 07:40:49
  
  Mr.Unmai
  
  In Muthu Umabharani gave voice for Muthu
  In KM Deepavenkat gave voice for Simran
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ cache86.156ce.scvmaxonline.com.sg) on: Thu Apr 25 10:11:18
  
  Oh! Thanks for the info, Raj.
  
  
• From: senthilv.com (@ 12-239-160-236.client.attbi.com) on: Thu Apr 25 11:56:40
  
  SRK:
  Unmai:
  ---Filmworld is biased---
  
  Against what? It is all question of money and profitability. Don't we do the same thing in other businesses? I failed you understand you folks point.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ cache86.156ce.scvmaxonline.com.sg) on: Fri Apr 26 08:17:14
  
  Senthil, even if we work for money and profit, we should have some dignity. As in, you stand for urself and not lick someone's boots just because u have so much to gain from them(monetarily).
  
  That is what I meant by being biased.
  
  
  
• From: senthilv.com (@ 12-239-160-236.client.attbi.com) on: Fri Apr 26 10:38:50
  
  Unmai:
  
  It is a general problem associated with every profession not just filmworld.
  
  
  
• From: srk (@ 212.201.44.135) on: Fri Apr 26 14:48:59
  
  senthil,thats excatly what i said in my post.
  
  

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