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Newspaper report as follows:

What has happened to Vijayakanth?" Kollywood wonders.

In the bygone days, there has existed a rivalry between Rajinikanth and Vijayakanth. That Vijayakanth has dared to make it public, through the recent happenings, raises the brows of all.

All might have guessed that certain dialogues have been interpolated in his film 'Narasimha' with a view to turn the heat on the present-day Chief Minister. He delivers an authoritative dialogue in the film: "No politician, hereafter, should try to get admitted into a hospital on the plea of having a sudden chest pain, whenever they are arrested". He went further to say the following:

If at all I want to enter into politics, well, I would do so straightaway. I wont confuse the public by telling that "I don't know whether I would become a politician or not. God only knows!" etc, I won't play any hide and seek in this connection. I won't pose any big stand even while remaining outside the political arena.

This telling dialogue arouses the spontaneous applause and the whistles of the audiences. The theatres reverberate with joyous din and noise.

Why? In a meeting held recently by the South Indian Artistes' Association too he had made his feelings publicly known: "The big actors do not at all turn for the meetings of the association as if they alone are engaged otherwise. Don't we people have any work at all to attend to?" He has accused Rajini indirectly thus.

When asked about this, the Rajini fans cited certain countryside adages to air their feelings. They talked ill of Vijayakanth in the end:

"There was a time in which Jayalalitha irritated our leader in many ways. The leader retarded her by asking her not to cross in his way. Jayalalitha, in the meantime, had to confine in her house, fight many cases in the court of law and suffer a lot before reaching her present exalted position. Despite knowing all these things very well, Vijayakanth has uttered some words against our leader without any reason in 'Narasimha'. We don't know what would happen to him in the times to come. But we, the fans of Rajini, are not talkers but doers. This is our warning. Take it from us, Vijayakanth is going to be frightened by seeing our show of strength."

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• From: srinivasan (@ 61.11.77.7) on: Tue Aug 10 02:07:03 EDT 2004
  
  friend kumar,
  my perspective on ambedkar was not formed only on arun shouries book. by reading few books on him i came toknow about him.
  moreover arun shourie book is not the book as u think. that book never contains any arun shourie opinion. its full of statistical facts and figures with credible sources.
  
  
• From: srinivasan (@ 61.11.77.7) on: Tue Aug 10 02:13:32 EDT 2004
  
  kumar,
  u asked question that rajinikanth acted as hero thats why u r comparing him with ambedkar. if he had not hero would u dothe same thing.
  
  see i felt shame to compare ambedkar withrajinikanth instead i should have compared him with veerappan, auto shankar,pervez musharaff,osamabinladen,islamist terrorist groups.
  
  i really cant understand why u are thinking so much high about ambedkar.
  rajinikanth is celluloid hero.ambedkar was a real
  national villain.
  
  
• From: srinivasan (@ 61.11.77.7) on: Tue Aug 10 02:21:51 EDT 2004
  
  friend kumar,
  onething i like tomake very clear .
  i will never compare rajinikant with freedom fighters,great kamarajar,mahakavi bharathiar,etc.
  i am not fool to do this.
  but i strongly believe if traitor like ambedkar was a national hero certainly rajinikanth is much
  much much much much much much much muchmuch much much muchmuch muchmuchmu c more more greater than him as he never indulged in destruction of such horrendous magnitude.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 203.63.55.177) on: Wed Aug 11 18:12:54 EDT 2004
  
  OK,
  then let's not compare Rajini with Ambedkar- you have your own opinion of Ambedkar and that's your prerogative.
  
  Still unanswered is my question on whether Rajini will be just as popular if he was India's top villiam actor. Will people still call him "Thalaivar" if he was NOT a hero actor, but rather a villian actor? Will you still think that Rajini is a leader worthy of public support and fan clubs if he remained a villian actor?
  
  
• From: srinivasan (@ 61.11.82.65) on: Thu Aug 12 01:09:06 EDT 2004
  
  friend kumar,
  so u havent understood me fully. its alright.
  onething u should know.even when he was second hero in NINAITHAALAE INIKKUM, and villain in 16VAYATHINILAE, he got more claps and rosy reception among tamil masses than heroes at that time. its not because he acted as hero everybody call him thalaivar. he proved his charisma before he became hero. then only everyone giving him hero chance.
  
  
• From: Jeeva (@ cache59.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Thu Aug 12 02:27:35 EDT 2004
  
  If a actor acts well even for Villai role, Tamil people will always give full support. So naturally, Rajini got hero role and he proved himself. The people will not just enjoy him as a villain.
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 203.63.55.177) on: Thu Aug 12 03:10:19 EDT 2004
  
  Srini,
  Thanks for your reply. I do understand you; I know Rajini proved his ACTING charisma even 25 years ago when he was doing villian roles (one of my favourites is 16 Vayathiniley) and 2nd hero.
  
  My question was just based on a hypothetical situation; would Rajini be hailed as a 'leader', as in a POLITICAL leader today if he had remained a villian actor?
  
  Were people calling him Thalaivar and hailing him as their political leader 25 years ago when he was a villian actor and 2nd hero, or is this just a recent phenomena, like the recent 10 to 12 years?
  
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 203.63.55.177) on: Thu Aug 12 03:11:43 EDT 2004
  
  The only reason I asked is when he did 16 Vayathiniley, I remembered people saying that he was a good actor, but people were not calling him 'Thalaivar' and waiting for him to announce his political preference so that they could follow his lead. Even when he did Thillu Mullu (one of my personal favourites), people still didn't see him as a political leader or CM possibility.
  
  It's only a recent phenomena. I just wonder that if today, in 2004, would people be waiting for him to announce which political party he supports if he was a villian actor?
  
  BTW, any news of Jaggubhai?
  
  
• From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Thu Aug 12 19:42:43 EDT 2004
  
  I was thinking that Srinivasan was really joking when he seriously comparing Rajni and Ambedkar.
  
  Man! What do that guy, RK,really got? Almost 99% children still love him whether they are born in TN or overseas. And nowadays he has been loved by even old people. We have also got fans like Srinivasan who compares a regional actor RK, with a national leader Ambedkar, seriously ;-(;-)
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 203.63.55.177) on: Thu Aug 12 23:55:36 EDT 2004
  
  """I was thinking that Srinivasan was really joking when he seriously comparing Rajni and Ambedkar."""
  
  I was thinking the same thing as well; but I'm not too sure now.....
  
  Still, I'm just interested to know about the whole hypothetical situation of Rajini had remained a villian actor till today.
  
  
• From: jawaharalal_nehru (@ 61.2.32.87) on: Fri Aug 13 03:40:17 EDT 2004
  
  >> ambedkar was a real national villain. >>
  
  thOdA! adutha kracku kolaikka vanthukithu! rOthanaiyA poodchibA ithungaLOda!
  
  kamnAtti payaluga - ennA pesrOmnu puriyAmiyE idhunga pEsi namukku kodachalu kudukkuthungO! kas-mAlam! ;=))))
  
  
• From: srinivasan (@ 61.11.75.69) on: Fri Aug 13 07:49:58 EDT 2004
  
  kumar nanba,
  i am not joking i am dead serious about it.onething i came to know after50 years even veerappan will be hailed as a savior of tamil people.lets leave traitor ambedkar.
  i think jeeva gave a befiting reply to ur question.he was made hero by his fans not by his father.
  
  
• From: srinivasan (@ 61.11.75.69) on: Fri Aug 13 07:56:58 EDT 2004
  
  ukw,
  its not a joke. i dont compare rajinikanth with freedom fighters,any national leaders or even common farmers.
  its not out of my passion towards rajini i compare him with traitor ambedkar.
  as u rightly mentioned still children like him and show baba symbol. thats the greatness of his charisma
  
  
• From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Fri Aug 13 19:07:16 EDT 2004
  
  **u must read books on ambedkar what he was saying and u wil gget to know how much ur cheated by our elders.***
  
  Books are written by some BASTRADS and not by GODS. I would not believe anything said in any book written by a biased HUMAN.
  
  ***britishers wanted to break popularity of mahatma.***
  
  This is rubbish. Why do they care? Even if that is true, Britishers should be appreciated for their kindness in helping and showing the correct direction for SC/ST people by bringing up a low-caste Ambedkar.
  
  
• From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Fri Aug 13 19:07:39 EDT 2004
  
  *they incited violence between mulims and hindus.then they wanted to incite violence among hindus.*
  
  Which hindus? The hindus those who did not allow some other hindus into the temple and into their streets? The hindus those who insulted the low-caste people by using casteist remarks?
  
  *so they used ambedkar to fulfil their desires.*
  
  What was their desires anyway? To help SC/ST people to get a life like the other high-class people?
  
  **thats why ambedkar used to indulge in mudslinging on mahatma. he spewed venom on the hinduism.**
  
  If it is true, I respect the British and their genuine help to Ambedkar. If Gandhi's fame is brought down by 20% because of Ambedkar which is okay.
  
  Thanks to british for helping the SC/ST people.
  
  
• From: srinivasan (@ 61.11.82.107) on: Sat Aug 14 00:39:05 EDT 2004
  
  hello nanba ukw,
  from ur reply i think u r provoked.what is rubbish.if whole india comes under one man(mahatma), then their unity cannot be shattered . so britishers utilised ambedkar to defy mahatma.
  u asked very good question. hindus didntallow other hindus into temple and streets.
  who was instrumental in bringin change in the minds of hindus.is it ambedkar certainly not
  
  
• From: srinivasan (@ 61.11.82.107) on: Sat Aug 14 00:46:33 EDT 2004
  
  ukw,
  its because of mahatma's action of divinity hindus allowed and mingled with other hindus.
  u asked me to read books written by ambedkar. thanx
  i am not fool to simply believe whatever written in books.
  once again i am saying its because of my passion towards mahatma i was searching for the books which calumnise gandhi.in the process i got to know about ambedkar and his real ugly face.
  i read his quotings and his interviews and those baneful words made me to turn against him so heavily.
  
  
• From: srinivasan (@ 61.11.82.107) on: Sat Aug 14 00:54:45 EDT 2004
  
  ukw,
  u said by reducing mahatmas popularity and elevating ambedkar , britishers doing good for sc/st.
  i dont know what u mean by that.thats show ur mislead by our politicans and media people.
  its shows as if mahatma was trying to supress sc/st and ambedkar wanted to protect them.
  thats obnoxious. pls understand that i am not belong to anypolitical party to speak ill of ambedkar. after giving much thought to it i came to know about him.
  i am not compelling u to accept my view. what iam saying is pls read books written by ambedkar and ambedkarite and also books written by mahatma gandhiand gandhian. then tell me whats wrong in my view.
  
  
• From: Joe (@ bbcache-11.singnet.com.sg) on: Sat Aug 14 04:32:28 EDT 2004
  
  //its shows as if mahatma was trying to supress sc/st and ambedkar wanted to protect them. //
  It may be true..Ghandhi is not beyond crtisism..He was crtisised by Nethaji and other congress leaders..Ghandi had a softcorner for Manusasthram which degrades SC/ST..Just calling SC/STs as 'Harijans' will not make change in their life..Whenever there was a partiality based on caste even inside congress,Ghandi just kept silence.Even in Congress conferences seperate rows arranged for High caste people during lunch...which made Periyar opposed Congress and Ghandi and quit Congress.
  
  Atleast Ambedkar and Periyar didn't kill Ghandhi unlike RSS gang whom Arun shore admired a lot..so who are traitors..decide yourself.
  
  
• From: shilpa (@ 202-177-160-24.sify.net) on: Sat Aug 14 09:39:26 EDT 2004
  
  u all fools here dont u people have any work other than fighting.stupids go and graze cattles.
  
  
• From: prasad (@ ptil-242-171-chn.primus-india.net) on: Fri Sep 10 04:07:51
  
  hi guys, mahatma or ambedkar all of them have their own idealogies. those who have them as their ideals or models try hard to work like them to come up in life rather than doing research about them.
  
  

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