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Topic suggested by Ramki on Fri Mar 12 16:24:37 .
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Responses:
- From: v (@ wizard.mch.sni.de)
on: Sat Mar 13 06:45:43
appava kettavaraa maathinadhu periya twist. ending konjam cinematic-aa iruku (uma'oda nelamila irundhu irundhaa appadi thaan yaarum pannuvaangalo??)
- From: v (@ wizard.mch.sni.de)
on: Sat Mar 13 07:51:12
Ramki, appuram nejamaa idhu nadanthutu irukunu sonnaenalae, adhu pathi yen note edhuvum podalai?
- From: Ramki (@ pm062-24.spindler.wmich.edu)
on: Sat Mar 13 11:00:42
Oops sorry vidya thanks for reminding. 2 weeks back dinakaran(online)penmani sectionkku oru 45 year old teacher advice pagudhikku oru letter ezhudhiyirndhaanga. She had written about her 6 yr relationship with her student(whos 19 now). Avanga advice kettadhu andha relationshipai stop panna illai but was seeking advice to find ways to hide the relatonship from her husband,daughter and
her daughters fiancee.
This letter disturbed me a lot. Usually we never think that such things can happen in India. Idhellaam western countriesle nadakkira sambanvangalnnu namba marathidrom.
Atleast countries like US has laws to punish such
ladies(a teacher in New york was put in prison for
such an incident). But Indiale indha madhiri pengalai dhandikka laws irukkaannu theriyalai.
Yes i accept that the climax sounds cinematic. But i want to punish such ladies atleast in my stories:)))
- From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.170)
on: Sat Mar 13 12:59:55
Ramki,
What do you mean when you say you want to "punish such ladies"?? Everyone will have justifications for their actions. Sarasu has her own jutifications for her relationship with her student. The father was a "Pott..." (this is the exact word you have used!!) and why shouldnt sarasu seek to fulfill her unfufilled desires elsewhere? OK you might question me as to why should she have a relationship with a student??? In our typical social setup, for a married-teacher like sarasu, who holds a particular status in society, is there any way she can seek to fulfill her human desires elsewhere? Sarasu's actions are fully justified!! Suppressed desires (be it physical or mental) of India women have been one of the most neglected issues, and your story was an attempt to highlight this.. and thats commendable.!!
Yes, I agree with V's observations that the end was too cinematic!!Well, we'll look for much better stuff from you in your next creation!! Keep up the good work!
chandy
- From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Sat Mar 13 22:43:36
sorry,ramki, u sure disappointed me with this one..
the twist in the story is very much unwarranted and instead of adding excitement to the story ends up opening a wide gap. the husband-turned-badman tries to justify what? if anything, the justification hasn't been brought home. trying to justify a person's sexual desires itself is bad enough.. idhile indha twist avasiyamillaadhau..
also, indha oru mudivukkaaga ivvalavu izhuththirakka vendaam:-)
- From: chandy (@ 209.125.83.228)
on: Mon Mar 15 10:42:24
BB, why is "trying to justify a person's sexual desires itself is bad enough.. " ??? Its after all a mere physical need like thrist or hunger!!
- From: bb (@ schubert.crhc.uiuc.edu)
on: Mon Mar 15 12:05:17
chandy, i meant, "trying to provide a justification for a person's sexual desires" :-)
- From: Sun (@ 192.149.1.168)
on: Mon Mar 15 15:13:56
If I want to read about "Women undergoes sex change operation to satisfy homosexual husband" or such things I would go buy national enquirer or watch jerry springer or watch playboy channel or read starr report or ....
Most of the commercial media (TV, movies, magazines both tamil & english) is overloaded with sex. The news stories and the fiction are designed to have maximum impact on the audience. "Women arrested for crossing state lines to have sex with minor she contacted via internet! Details at 11" hits me every other day.
I seriously wish forumhub, being largely free of the commerical pressures, would provide a more balanced fare. I am not a puritan or a victorian moralist who wants to see no sex, hear no sex and speak no sex. But if forumhub does not provide something distinct from other media, I see no reason to come here.
Ramki, you have a good talent in penning down the emotions of uma and realistic dialogues. consistently setting the story completely in uma's perspective and defining all other characters purely by observable actions and words shows narrative maturity. I want better stuff from you.
Ravi Sundaram. aka Sun, aka sooriyan
03-15-99
- From: pae (@ global25.citicorp.com)
on: Mon Mar 15 15:58:32
Ramki.... ennachu ????? bb has exactly produced what I wanted to tell about this story. There are better themes to venture your writing skills. Dont give up!
- From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217)
on: Wed Apr 7 16:06:01
Ramki,
An artist is not a jukebox to play what the selection calls for! Keep writing whatever fascinates you, whatever bothers you, whatever is itching to come out. Your writing should bear your integrity, that's all you owe to your writing. People may love or hate your stuff, that's secondary. The very fact that you've touched a nerve in some of the reactions here is a testament to the power of your writing.
For Thamizh not being your mothertongue, your writing is pretty commendable. I loved the tactic you used in the narration: when Uma finds out her father's true nature, he becomes "avan" in the narration, a masterstroke.
Regarding the story itself, I totally agree with Chandy's reaction. Sex is an amoral issue for me. (I know, I know, ripples of outrage everywhere, but I'm being honest here). And you yourself have more than justified the wife's claim that the husband has several mistresses and I think you strongly allude to the fact that he may be neglecting his wife sexually.
I think if this story was resolved in a calm, less dramatic way while taking into account every character's justifications it would have been intimate, messy, real and powerful.
Regardless, Ramki, you shouldn't give up writing. Your talent is improving with every story. You have nowhere to go but up. Keep writing. I look forward to more.
- From: aruLarasan (@ psiphi.umsl.edu)
on: Wed Apr 7 23:38:37
udhayA,
i know what you mean by amoral. when the moon shines like a pizza pie it's amora. that's what you mean,
right?:-))
woman: no love no sex
man: no sex no love
:-)
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