Tamil Folk Songs

Topic started by gem (Ratna) on Sun May 16 15:37:01 .
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Responses:

From: Ratna (gem) (@ wellpoint-bh.bluecrossca.com) on: Sun May 16 16:18:09

ˇ— ÿ™•
◊∆÷ó◊‰«÷
à— ÿ• ◊π∞
ÿ◊úë«ôê...
∫ëÃ≈ ó∞Õ∆ë±œôç
◊ëúÄÓ ∞π∞ ¿Ø
ò•˛◊ ∞π∞≥ ∫Ø...
(∞π∞ÓëÓë ∞π∞ÚÓëÚÓë
∞π∞ÓëÓë ∞π∞ÚÓëÚÓë...ó¿™®“ ◊ëù¢ü∞ëÚ ∫ëœõç˛„Ú....)

(∞π∞ÓëÓë ∞π∞ÚÓëÚÓë
∞π∞ÓëÓë ∞π∞ÚÓëÚÓë...)

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àœø æ™¶Ó √¥≥ôçëÄ„
á™¶ Ä◊¢ü √Ú˛Ó ˛∫ëç
áœ◊ µ÷“ë ≥ñ⁄ø ΩË„
Ω§ú µ§ú ÿÄ„…≈ ΩË„

(ó∫ëÚÔ)
çœôçë˛“˛∆ ◊π∞ ¿¢úëÚ
Ö›¢úë ¿±øΩ à≥ ¿¢úëÚ
ÜÃ üœ™®≈ ê≈∫÷ ∫ëœ
∫ÿúë ˛∫ë®≈ µÄ•∆ø ∫ëœ

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çëπ±˛∆ë˛• ¿¶§ùø ˛∫ë¢úë ?

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Å®¥∞◊Ú çˆ•≈ µ≈¿±÷“
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µë™• ˛∫´ ˛◊Æ≈ ΩË„
...
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∫üÄ¿∆ëç ≥‰œ≈ ΩË„
ä¥≥¿ Éõ˛ç µë¥∞ø ˛∫ë“

(ó∫ëÚÔ)
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Üœ úÓó¿÷“ë≈ ò¶ ∂ÚÒ
ó∫ëÈë¿ø ∫®◊≥ áø˛∫ë ¿¢úëÚ ?

(ó∫ëÚÓÚ)
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∞ê± ¬Ï◊≥ ó∞ë÷“ø ΩË„
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(ó∫ëÚÔ)
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óçëü◊≈ óúëœé ˛∫ëÈøΩË„
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Ä◊Ã ç≈¿÷ ◊ëõé¥∞ë˛ÈÚ

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Ä◊Ã≈ ˛∫ë“ ˇ«œôç
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ÖÚÓø ˛∫ë“ µë¶œπ∞ë
Ä◊Ã≈ ˛∫ë“ ¡ÚÒ≈ ¿¢úëÚ...

(∞π∞ÓëÓë ∞π∞ÚÓëÚÓë...
∞π∞ÓëÓë ∞π∞ÚÓëÚÓë...
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∞π∞ÓëÓë ∞π∞ÚÓëÚÓë...
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From: 8 (@ 129.81.216.120) on: Sun May 16 17:44:17

keep it up
From: Chandra (@ viking2.delta-air.com) on: Mon May 17 12:41:19

Ratna,
Great! Keep it up!
I liked the AlApanai part also..it has some ethukai (ER, n-Ir etc.)
Glad to know that somebody keeps these traditions alive!

Don't you think at some places the thaLai thattal occurs...?

Ö›¢ú çëüôê Ñ® É÷“
Ö›øªÚ Åœ¿ óçë§ú¡÷“
êÏôê ◊ﬁ«“ ˛ú—¥∞ô çëü
ü◊® ó∞Õ∆ë¿ ˛∫ë«®õçØÆ <-----violates the pattern?
From: gem (@ wellpoint-bh.bluecrossca.com) on: Mon May 17 20:23:40

ÿ¿Õù¥∞ ÅÚΩË„õçÊôê - áÓ≥
¿Ó¿ë—π∞ µÚÍ
....
áúø∫ë™® ∫ë•◊π∞
ó∫ëÚÓÒôê...
∞Ä„ ∞™®◊≥ ó∫ëœ™•÷“
çÄ„ á®ø∫˛∞ ç´ôê...
Éõê....
¿ë√Ú ˛µœ¡÷Ä“
ÿ„√Ú ∂ÄÃ…¡÷Ä“
....
òÿ„õçË Éõé÷Ä“ - ÇÓë÷
ò⁄≈ ê«÷çË ÖØ®
çœÿ„õçË Éõé÷Ä“ - ÇÓë÷
çœ¥≥ êÿ∆÷ ÖØ®
....
µë™®øΩÈ µë¥≥ôê
ÖÃ≈ ˛∞Ä◊ - ÇÓë÷
µë™®øΩÈ ∫ë•’ôê
ÖÃ≈ ˛∞Ä◊«÷Ä“...
Ö´—⁄ ˛∞Ä◊
É“ôç´≈ ˛∞Ä◊«÷Ä“
µ∆≈ ˛∞Ä◊...
....
◊∆÷çÊôê ◊Ã≈ΩØ® - ÇÓë÷
◊∆÷ó◊‰ ∫ë™®ôê...
◊ÃøΩçÊ≈ É÷Ä“
◊ÄÃ∆ÄÈ…≈ É÷Ä“

µÚÍ
From: Chandra (@ viking2.delta-air.com) on: Tue May 18 15:01:13

Gem,
Thanks for your response.
But all songs, if they are to be songs, have to have a rhythm....which you have acknowledged by listing the vAypAdu at the beginning:
"thanthanAnA ..." etc.

My question was doesn't that line violate the
vAypAdu or the "that you other lines have been obeying?

The tamil prosody (yAppu) is based on its country roots FYI.
Even in your response you are trying to follow a rhythm or pattern.
Without rhythm a song will be not be a song, it will only be prose.
Rhythm goes with the tapping or clapping or drumming or any physical action such as ulakkai kuththal, rowing a boat etc.
Do you know that for kummi viruththams, veN thaLai is employed....? kAvadich cindhu etc., are use some specfic thaLai or other?
From: gem (@ wellpoint-bh.bluecrossca.com) on: Tue May 18 19:44:08

∞ë„õçË á±”÷Ä“ -
àœø ˛∫ë®≈ µÄ•«÷ ÖØ®
ç‡¥≥ ¿¨ ãÄú«÷ ÖØ®
ú“ú“ôê≈ ˇÕ÷ ÖØ®
≥Ë‰ ƒ‚ê≈ ç∆”÷ ÖØ®
ŒõçÕôê≈ ◊Ø¶÷ ÖØ®
ê›÷ ∞œ≈ çÆÿ÷ ÖØ®
ê›πÄ∞ ˛∫ü≈ ¿›Ä“«÷ ÖØ®
Éõê µëÚ ◊¶ôê≈ ...
∞¡ﬁ’≈... ∞ë„≈ ÖØ®
....
Å≥ áÚ ±ÈÄ¿∆÷“
∞π∞ ∞¡ﬁÚ ÅœÄ¿∆ëê≈
Å≥ áÓôê ¿™®¿÷“
∆ë— ◊¶¥∞ë’≈ ∞ë„¿ëê≈
...
µÄÈ ùπ≥≈ ¿“—ç‰÷
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µÄÃ çë´ë ∞¡ﬁ÷
çœ¥Ä∞ ç◊œ≈ çœ¥≥Ø®
...
â≈Ω“Úç‰÷..
ÿﬁ ◊ﬁ Ö◊Äç
çÿÄ∞
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∫ë™®
Å‹⁄◊Äç ∞π±•⁄≈
ÇÄú
...
¿Ó±÷ ∫±π∞ ∞ë„¥±÷
◊π∞±õ˛ç ∫ë™® - ÇÓë÷
ó∫ëÚÔ∆ëç ∫ë• äœ
◊§ù«÷Ä“ áÓôê
....
Ç∞“ë÷
áÓ≥ µØ∫—çÄ„
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ê≈¡∆¶ôê≈ ê¿ÕçË
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ÉÚÏ ˛µÌÏ ◊π∞∞÷“
¿Ô∞Ú ˛∞ëÚÍ∆ çë“≈ ó∞ë™®....

µÚÍ
From: thathuvavaathi (@ 207.247.192.254) on: Wed May 19 16:46:53

∞ë„≈ ! ∞ë„≈ ! ∞ë„≈ !
∞ë„¥±Ì˛çë— ∞Ä•…Ø•ë«Ú
ò„≈ ! ò„≈ ! ò„≈ !
From: bb (@ franck.crhc.uiuc.edu) on: Wed May 19 22:13:30

gem, kalakkungO:)))) an eye opener for me.
do we have "urban" folk songs? or, does a folk song ceases to be one if it deals with an urban environ?
From: Chandra (@ user-37ka027.dialup.mindspring.com) on: Wed May 19 23:19:17

Balaji,
"Columbus, columbus, vittAchchu oru lIvu"...
FYI :-))) But I am only half-joking!

Gem,
kummik kannigaL obey thALam.
And the song that goes with it obeys the thALam through the thaLais.

I will post with examples later.
When I said "thalai thattal", I to start with meant that that particular adi was not obeying the same pattern as the previous three adis or so.
Actuallu you yourself have tried to obey the same pattern. I could have probably have said that way without inciting this discussion [which I am enjoying since each round of response from you comes back with beautiful poems] instead of using high-faluting and more specific terms such as "thaLai". :-)
From: gem (@ wellpoint-bh.bluecrossca.com) on: Thu May 20 21:00:35

ÿ¿—ù¥∞ ÅÚ∫—çÊôê
¿Ó¿ë—π∞ µÚÍ...

∞ë„¥±Ìê..
∞Ä• áÚÏ¡÷Ä“ - àÌ∫¶Ú
É‹Ä◊∆≈ É÷Ä“
çëÌÍÚ è∞¡÷Ä“
É¶ç‰Ú ¿¥∞„¡÷Ä“
∞ëÄÃç‰Ú Û“∞Ãõç¡÷Ä“
ÅÄ“ç‰Ú µ—¥∞Ó¡÷Ä“
∞¡ﬁÚ ∞ë„¡÷Ä“ - ÅÄ∞
◊¶¥±• µëÒ¡÷Ä“...
Ö´—π±• ˇ…¡÷Ä“...

bb, :-)))

çÄ“..
çÄ“«÷ ◊π∞˛∞ µë∞≈
µë∞¥±÷ ◊π∞˛∞ ∞ë„≈
∞ë„¥±÷ ◊π∞˛∞ çëÓ≈
çëÓ≈ ∞π∞≥ éÃë¿≈ - ÇÓë÷
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µ≈ ∞¡›ë≈... Å≥
µ≈ ∞¡ﬁ’≈ ÖØ•ë≈
....

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∞ë„¥±Ì˛ç ÖÕ∆ àÌÈ ÉÈôç¥˛∞ë®
∫ë¶ ◊π∞ë÷ ó◊‰ø∫®≈ ∞¡›√≥

µÚÍ
From: bb (@ inehou-pxy06.compaq.com) on: Thu Jun 3 11:20:59

gem??
From: bb (@ inehou-pxy06.compaq.com) on: Thu Jun 3 11:21:28

closing font..
From: gem (@ wellpoint-bh.bluecrossca.com) on: Fri Jun 4 14:15:35

∫¨«Ú ∂¡¥∞≈
∫Ø¨Äúôç ∞ë¿∞≈...
From: arivukettavan (@ ) on: Wed Jun 14 09:10:23

esa pattu paada vanden
naanunthan
appa
From: Mo Si Balan (@ unknown-24-11.pilot.net) on: Wed Jun 14 11:50:04 EDT 2000

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From: cg (@ 202.144.10.93) on: Wed Jun 14 13:22:26 EDT 2000

gem and others please keep it up. very very impressive
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