Roman Script for Indian Languages
Topic started by Mahavir (@ 61.11.18.38) on Fri May 16 12:44:39 .
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In India there are many major languages and almost each of them has a separate script. If there is a single script for all Indian languages, it will be easy to everybody to learn, use and read/write in other languages. For instance, my mother tongue is Marathi, I can understand Gujarathi, Kannad and Punjabi. But I cannot read books in these three languages as each of them has separate script. Marathi is written in Devnagari script and that is the script of Hindi language also, so I can read and write Hindi very well just because I know the script.
But all Indian scripts are not useful in this modern technology age. So we should adopt Roman script. Our scripts cannot save our languages.
What do you think about this?
Mahavir
Responses:
- From: mmc (@ 203.122.48.72)
on: Sat May 17 02:02:56 EDT 2003
This is what the church did in north eastern india and imbibed them with a sense of seperatedness .....
same churchian tactics here too...why dont u accept tamil script for maratti???
- From: purvmegh (@ 202.149.222.126)
on: Fri May 23 10:52:50 EDT 2003
i think it would be a good idea to design a new script and language which will be followed by every indian and could also be used as our official language.
The script should have 70 % letters from devnagari and rest all from bengali,punjabi,urdu and dravidian languages.Even the language should have 60 to 70 % sanskritised hindi words and rest all should be taken from other languages.It should be named as bharati.
- From: Shurjendu Dutt-Mazumdar (@ aca6f6c8.ipt.aol.com)
on: Fri Jan 2 14:52:33
Anglification...
You're doing what Attaturk did in Turkey. This is ridiculous. The Devnaagari script is the most perfect script ever developed. It's phonetically sounder when used for Indian languages, like Marathi and Hindi, and is far more beautiful than the Roman script could ever hope to be. The only reason it's so difficult to employ in websites is simply because not enough resources have gone into making a pure bharati keyboard. Let's not forget the greatness of our linguistic heritage. Also, Sanskrit mantras and Hindu scriptures are all in Sanskrit, and Hindus should always know how to read Sanskrit.
Also, as a Bengali, I resent the reduction of other scripts into oblivion. There exist sounds in Bengali (and I'm sure in Tamil and other languages) that simply cannot be reproduced adequately in Devnaagari or Roman scripts. Thus, it would seem fair that people in India know their state language, Hindi and English. Now, that may seem to be a bit much, but I personally know dozens of people who have easily mastered, in a very natural process, three or more languages. I love being fluent in English, the world's lingua franca, Hindi, India's national language (though perhaps a little forced into a national perspective) and Bengali, a langauge of supreme poetry and intellects. I know that friends from the South feel similarly about their own state heritages.
Let's not kill our culture for people in the West. The West has raped Bharat enough during the British Raj.
- From: Shurjendu Dutt-Mazumdar (@ aca6f6c8.ipt.aol.com)
on: Fri Jan 2 14:55:18 EST 2004
oh... by the way... although purvmegh has a pretty decent idea, I think that 'bharati' language reminds me a bit of the Esperanto of old (Mediterranean trader's language). I think Hindi already does the trick. To try and create an improvised Devnagari script to include other languages would be EXTREMELY difficult since we would need and organized, regulated educational system that was properly supervized by a stable Centre government. Hindi's good enough.
- From: yaro (@ 202.88.149.54)
on: Fri Jan 2 15:21:27 EST 2004
Since you scholars understand roman script,
Poda arivu ketta muttaal pasanga.
- From: Shreepad (@ at092.dhcp.ttu.edu)
on: Wed Jan 14 15:37:32 EST 2004
For you information, there is a man called Proff R.K Joshi, I am afraid, you all might not heard about him. He is a linguist and calligrapher who has exhibited around the world. In 1970s when I was still in school he designed a script, based on the mother Devnagari script, which can be used for writing in any of the official indian lnaguages. He presented a proposal (then called Deshanagari) to the Ministry of education in India but had no success in establishing its need and benifits. In my post gradaduate years I assisted him at the National Center For software Technilogy, Mumbai, where he still works on language fonts for all official Indian languages. There I got to know, the job of designing such a script was, I am sure, very coplex and difficult, but the even more frustrating job would be taking it through the ugly red taped government offices and bringing it down to the grass root people.
Thank you,
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- From: neel (@ beaver1-105.labs.win.psu.edu)
on: Wed Jan 14 18:45:27 EST 2004
do any indian languages use a Roman script right now other then goan?
- From: Indianoble (@ wc09.ym.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com)
on: Mon Jan 19 06:37:43 EST 2004
Roman Script for Indian Languages
Topic started by Mahavir (@ 61.11.18.38) on Fri May 16 12:44:39 .
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In India there are many major languages and almost each of them has a separate script. If there is a single script for all Indian languages, it will be easy to everybody to learn, use and read/write in other languages. For instance, my mother tongue is Marathi, I can understand Gujarathi, Kannad and Punjabi. But I cannot read books in these three languages as each of them has separate script. Marathi is written in Devnagari script and that is the script of Hindi language also, so I can read and write Hindi very well just because I know the script.
But all Indian scripts are not useful in this modern technology age. So we should adopt Roman script. Our scripts cannot save our languages.
What do you think about this?
Mahavir
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I fully agree with you, I hate scripts like Kannada where only U and W are existing, Same way in Tamil all rounded cut headed letters are existing. Telugu is similar with U and Ws.
So it is better we have common Devnagri script for all Indian languages. Moreover dravidian script is missing on so many phonetics which can be bridged by Devanagri script
- From: Shurjendu Dutt-Mazumdar (@ 66-207-39-62.netlineservice.com)
on: Tue Mar 2 14:00:48
This is so horrible. Why are you so interested in reducing everything? It doesn't take more than one month of regular practice, nothing too bad, to learn a script. I learned Gurmukhi and Gujrati scripts in a couple of weeks, no skin of my back, will doing a 9-5 job. Tamil isn't that bad either. As for the 'Deshnagari' thing, I feel it's similarly reductive. I am only fluent in English, Hindi and Bengali, but I can read and write Tamil, Gujrati and Gurmukhi scripts, and this took me less than a month. It's not because I'm naturally good at scripts, but simple effort for a short period.
Goa, by the way, is rabidly anti-India and filled with people who long for the good old days of Spanish life and foreign rule. Of course they have an English script.
India is doing just fine with multiple scripts. Having one script wouldn't help sh*t, because you still wouldn't understand the language you were reading. For instance, it means nothing if I'm able to read a common script for Bengali and Hindi, if I only know Hindi. I'm still not going to understand Hindi. In language courses in any decent college, say, in America, learning the script is mastered in two weeks.
This idea does nothing to bridge linguistic gaps. Instead, it panders to unbelievable laziness. Tamil script works GREAT for Tamil and should remain that way. Kannada works great for Kannada, Bengali works great for Bengali, and Hindi for Hindi. Just learn a script in a couple of weeks if you're so desirous of understanding the language.
Lastly, romanizing Indian languages is retarded since it cannot come close to supporting the depth and range of Indic sounds. It's also ugly. The only reason in this 'modern and technological' age that Roman script is the language by default is since the first computer engineers and programmers were all working in English or Roman script languages. It has been shown that Devnagari and Brahmic scripts are the most perfect for computer language translations. Don't worry, plenty of Indian techies are busily working on Computing in Indian languages.
Maintain our heritage, don't dilute and destroy it just because you're too lazy to spend a couple of weeks learning a script.
- From: Shurjendu Dutt-Mazumdar (@ 66-207-39-62.netlineservice.com)
on: Tue Mar 2 14:03:22 EST 2004
I made a mistake... "For instance, it means nothing if I'm able to read a common script for Bengali and Hindi, if I only know Hindi. I'm still not going to understand Hindi."
I meant that if I only know Hindi, but can read both Bengali and Hindi, I'm still not going to understand the Bengali.
Essentially, all your silly idea of a unilateral script does is help us read signposts, which usually have english translations anyway.
- From: Mahavir (@ 61.11.17.54)
on: Wed Mar 10 04:13:13 EST 2004
So do you think that Subhash Chandra Bose was an agent of Church, who used Roman Script for Hindi (Hindustani) language in his Azad Hind Sena? And what do you think about present day Indian military, which also uses this script many times for Hindi?
- From: Shurjendu Dutt-Mazumdar (@ 66-207-39-62.netlineservice.com)
on: Wed Mar 17 14:15:40 EST 2004
First off, Subhash Chandra Bose was a Bengali who did not, in all likelihood, know Hindi script. Secondly, that doesn't make him a Church follower. But I would stand firm and say that it doesn't seem right to reduce the scripts all to roman characters. If one is writing in English script one should be writing English. As for the Army, I believe it uses the English script for Hindi only because it is speaking primarily in English and thus anglicized Hindi/Indian names or certain words like, say, Kendra, into English. But they're not writing the Hindi language in English, as in, ve hindi bhaashaa english mein likh rehein hain.
- From: Sushil Pathak (@ 156.110.78.2)
on: Fri Apr 2 18:03:46 EST 2004
Haha. I can only laugh at your question.
- From: T R Aashi (@ )
on: Sat Sep 4 04:22:16
Dear Mahavir,
I was also working on a similar idea. In 21st century we cannot live a life of isolation. The Roman (rather modified Roman) script for all languages of this region can be adopted easily if we have a will to change. Can u discuss this idea separately with me?
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