Wilberforce and Bharadhiyar
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William Wilberforce
Wilberforce was born White. But, he championed the human rights of the Blacks.
"On the night of July 31,1834, thousands of Negroes of all ages crowded the churches of the British West Indies, their faces alight with expectation. Then, at the first stroke of midnight, they leapt to their feet with a shout of joy that seemed to lift the roofs. From that moment 800,000 slaves held under the British flag were free.
This great event was the climax of nearly 50 years of struggle by William Wilberforce. To him,more than to any other person, goes the credit, first for ending the international slave trade that used to drag as many as 100,000 miserable men, women and children out of Africa each year and then for abolishing slavery itself in the Empire." (Elsie McCormick - Reader's Digest).
Born in a rich trading family he, when 14, on seeing the slave market at Bristol, wrote a letter to a newspaper in York declaring that "this odious traffic in human flesh should end". When 25, he resolved "to live to the glory of God and the good of my fellow creatures". (He did not use God to perpetuate slavery like Sankaracharyas.)
He was then an MP. But knowing full well that to consecrate his life to the abolition of the slave trade was to say farewell to his political ambitions, he embarked on this mission. "In 1787, the 28-year-old MP gave notice in the House of Commons of his intentions." His speech caused a sensation. "The pro-traders, who spent months presenting their evidence before a parliamentary committee, said Africans were little more intelligent than orang-otangs and were better off as slaves".
(Compare Manu Chapter VIII Slo.413 and 414 : 413. But a Sudra, whether bought or unbought, he may compel to do servile work; for he was created by the Self-existent (Svayambhu) to be the slave of a Brahmana.
414. A Sudra, though emancipated by his master, is not released from
servitude; since that is innate in him, who can set him free from it? )
Wilberforce countered all the arguments of the slave traders with evidence. So his group was derisively called by the pro-traders as "white negroes".
He was threatened. His witnesses were threatened. Rumours were spread about his integrity and personal life. But the undaunted Wilberforce was clear in his vision. He collected native handicrafts to prove the talent of the Blacks. He produced proof of various atrocities committed against them. But the slave-trade abolition bill was voted down 163 to 88. The bills were lost again and again. Yet, Wilberforce pressed. It was in 1807 that the bill was passed 283 to 16. But the law did not really end the trade. It continued in the sly in various forms. When the ships carrying slaves sighted British naval police, "all the Africans were thrown overboard in chains" by the slave traders. Wilberforce was chronically ill. But, he said that he would not "leave my poor in the lurch". Ultimately, the bill meant to "free all the slaves under the British flag" was passed in 1833 when he was in death-bed.
Bharadhiyar
Bharadhiyar, a "Brahmin" did not tolerate the atrocities of the "Brahmins" against humanity. He condemned their atrocities in unequivocal terms. His poem "Choothiranukkoru needhi, thandach chorunnum paarpukku veroru needhi" mirrored the state of affairs of the society. He was therefore criticized, ridiculed and mangled by the other "Brahmins" including Kalki.
But, Bharathiyar did not relent. He had diagnosed the problem very correctly and went to its source. He conferred Poonool on a Scheduled Caste person and declared that he was a Brahmin. His action angered the co-Brahmins. They began to keep themselves away from him. But Bharathiyar cared two hoots for them.
He did not permit religion to be used for perpetuating apartheid. He did not support the action of the "Brahmins" in using God to subjugate the fellow humans and that too of the same religion.
Born in the subjugating race, these noble men did not want to take advantage of the situation and enjoy. They stood for humanism. They considered all as human beings. But, there were so many white men who championed the cause of Blacks. But in India no Brahmin other than Bharadhiyar worked for a really casteless society.
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- From: visu (@ 202.9.183.240)
on: Wed Jul 17 06:38:13
enter the thread after u post it. involve urself to discuss.
- From: vohsendhan (@ 202.88.143.68)
on: Sun Jul 21 11:11:31
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- From: tamil (@ 1cust2.tnt4.des-moines.ia.da.uu.net)
on: Fri Aug 16 21:45:00
Already Assam, Kashmir, Punjap people hoisted black flag on this day aug 15. I rather salute this black flag than this tricolor flag.
There is a valid reason to break up India as it is so big and diverse to manage. It is a failing state wait and see. It will collapse like Soviet Union as people are not happy in Hindian rule.
You guys think if Hindia is together we are strong, it is wrong as till this day how many people are not having food, no body cares.
Everywhere bribe, rape murder, humen right violation this is past 50 year achievment.
Look at south east asia... why they are not together? When Hindia got freedom they were like us only, in 50 yrs they have improved a lot.
If at all Hindia is together in another 50 yrs, hindia will become another somalia, that much mismangaement.
Why people are not paying taxes -- Othulaiyamai iyakkam
Why people are bribing --- to break hindian law
If tamilnadu fisherman die by sri lanka army no body care....
We shall write a book about pathetic Indian Failing state & its stupid constitution.
Let us all become freedom fighters... of their state if they brand freedom fighers as terrorist, I happy to bear that name too rather call me Hindian.
So give Kashmiris a freedom they deserve. so do for punjabis, tamils, assamese, telugus etc.
If those who don't have their selfrespect let them be with Hindian setup- failting state
- From: indian (@ hor186074.uea.ac.uk)
on: Sat Aug 17 08:30:40
Brother Tamillian there is no country by name Hindia. Please refer it only as India. I hope ur educated. In world map I can't see any country by that name.
>>There is a valid reason to break up India as it is so big and diverse to manage. It is a failing state wait and see. It will collapse like Soviet Union as people are not happy in Hindian rule. <<
There is lot of difference between Soviet union and us. We are not communists. Ok if large countries have to divide, then china, America, Australlia, Canada have to divide based on race theory.
>>You guys think if Hindia is together we are strong, <<
Yes If india is together we are strong. Otherwise every part then be said belongs to pakistan. Together our scientists were able to lift our pride. Together we were resisting American aggression. Unity is strength.
>>it is wrong as till this day how many people are not having food, no body cares.
Everywhere bribe, rape murder, humen right violation this is past 50 year achievment. <<
Please see with positive perspect. In 50 years with so many differences we have moved so much far. Look at pakistan, bangladesh etc.. still they live with hatred. With hatred, no country can come up.
>>Look at south east asia... why they are not together? When Hindia got freedom they were like us only, in 50 yrs they have improved a lot. <<
Not all countries are doing good in south east asia. North korea, Phillippines and Indonesia are doing no better than India.
>>If at all Hindia is together in another 50 yrs, hindia will become another somalia, that much mismangaement. <<
There is no country by name Hindia. It is India. So, if someone dominates we have to resist. That doesnt mean we need seperate country. It is evident from south indians who are more powerful in centre. If at all u dont want India to be somalia, contribute ur positive mindedness for it.
>>Why people are not paying taxes , Why people are bribing <<
It is not to break indian law, but due to selfish attitude. Thats what we have to stop that if we care for development.
>>If tamilnadu fisherman die by sri lanka army no body care.... <<
"Vajpayee is not fake man without principles. He is aware that what matters is the righteous aspirations of Tamilians in Tamil Nadu and the security of India, not the adharmic interests of Srilanka." This statement appeared in Ealam News.
>>We shall write a book about pathetic Indian Failing state & its stupid constitution. <<
Please broaden ur knowledge before u do that.
- From: Indian (@ hor186074.uea.ac.uk)
on: Sat Aug 17 09:07:11
>>But in India no Brahmin other than Bharadhiyar worked for a really casteless society. <<
Dear Vohsendhan,
May I suggest you further readings on :-
1) Adi Shankara (special emphasis on bowing down before sudra)
2) Swami Vivekananda
2) Raja Ram Mohan Roy
3) Subhash Chandra Bose
4) Rabindra Nath Tagore
5) Dhondo Keshav Karve
6) G. Sankara (Mahakavi)
7) Narendra Deva,(Acharya)
8) Agarkar, Gopal Ganesh
9) Sri Sri
10) Gurajada Appa Rao
11) Kandukuri Vireshalingam Panthulu
12) Subrahmanya Bharathi
etc..etc.. and list goes on.
They were all Brahmins and Social reformers.
- From: weeblebob (@ proxy.ia4.marketscore.com)
on: Mon Oct 28 17:01:51
this a makin no sense!?!?!?!?!
- From: north star (@ 61.1.110.8)
on: Tue Oct 29 12:57:07
some but not all tamil folks always keep singing different tunes.they have always been indifferent to hindi
speaking states.ravan,prabhakaran or veerappan they always act against india.
a day will come when they will object to saying jai-hind.they will say only jai-ind.they r forgetting that they r also hindus and hindutva will not be complete without hindi.
- From: Madurai Veeran (@ adsl-66-122-61-85.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net)
on: Wed Oct 30 02:00:29
You know north star,
We should adopt Gaumata ki Jai as our new national slogan.
Jai Hind or Jai Hindi - who cares?
- From: derismawanty (@ )
on: Sun Apr 11 00:42:21
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only allah saw only the greets of all of the earth u now???
ure all are stupid human!!!
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on: Sun Apr 11 00:44:29 EDT 2004
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