Topic started by *Indian* (@ an0.emirates.net.ae) on Tue Jul 1 07:29:25 .
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I request people who have serious views and practical ideas on how what solution is there for this problem.
PLease let us not changeit into a forum exchanging filthy language.
regards

Responses:

• From: Idiappam (@ cache139.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Tue Jul 1 14:09:05 EDT 2003
  
  Hindus are the majority in India! Be a little sensitive to the feelings of the minorities - just give it to them. You will see the best result - in favour of Hinduism!
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com) on: Tue Jul 1 19:47:43 EDT 2003
  
  Idiappam, you are so against hinduism. Care to further explain your stand on Ayodhya?
  
  
• From: Idiappam (@ cache139.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Tue Jul 1 20:38:26 EDT 2003
  
  I am against nothing! My stand on Ayodhya - well, the mosque should have been left alone. Now, things have gone so sour, there is little that can be done to heal wounds.
  
  But, I feel that it is the duty of the majority in any country to take good care of the minorities.
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com) on: Wed Jul 2 01:58:28 EDT 2003
  
  //But, I feel that it is the duty of the majority in any country to take good care of the minorities.//
  
  In India, what happened was the case of secular extremism. The Congress bent on the back of the Majority to scratch the a$$ of the minority.
  
  The rest is history.
  
  See the Parsis - L K Advani said that they are the most well behaved minority in india. They should be the model minority for moslems and christians.
  
  
• From: *Indian* (@ an7.emirates.net.ae) on: Wed Jul 2 04:45:39 EDT 2003
  
  I dont think so Idiapps, do you think an inch of land in Mecca or Jerusalem for that matter would be parted for any other religion-minority or not?
  What happened here, the mosque was not used. Second, the VHP had over the years raised funds of devotees money and bought all much of the land around it.. hoping to build a temple. When a person has faith that it is Ram's birth place, that is a matter of personal faith and millions of hindus wish for that.
  The demolition was of course an unfortunate incident, but remember, the authorities supposedly knew every move going on but did not take a move to stop them (vote bank politics??).. this is somewhat similar to Gujarat riots where authorities looked the other way, BUT Iam not comparing these two.
  Enough said about the problems.. we r looking 4 solutions. So.. I remember once hearing that VHP was ready to build a Grand mosque for the moslems somewhere else.(that too in place of a broken down unused mosque), Can somebody offer clear ideas on whether it really happened or what went wrong.
  For once cant the Minorities be a little considerate too???
  
  
• From: sk (@ 203.145.183.220) on: Wed Jul 2 05:04:26 EDT 2003
  
  Goondas responsible for Godhra were in prison,
  But the goondas responsible for mosque destruction were ministers.
  
  Elections are cumming,lets all enjoy the fcking of this issue by the politicians.
  
  
• From: Karuvayan (@ cs2417534-176.austin.rr.com) on: Wed Jul 2 10:26:47 EDT 2003
  
  //Goondas responsible for Godhra were in prison,
  But the goondas responsible for mosque destruction were ministers. //
  
  Atleast they are not scre*wing camels in Afghanistan like Usama Bin Laden. He must be enjoying with his newly found pal Saddamm Hussain.
  
  
• From: BAB (@ cache-rl04.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Jul 9 23:52:24 EDT 2003
  
  My recommendation is for agreement on one single building reflectiong the architectural styles of all religions.
  
  The building should be the only building standing on the entire site or land in question called RAM UNITY TEMPLE PARK.
  
  A place of worship on this site must reflect the spirit of unity and the brother/sisterhood of man and father/motherhood of God. The architecture must be grand and there must be seperate places of worship for all who wish to worship along the lines of theor religion.
  
  The center of the building must be for a temple that is without any religious theme and more like a place of meditation.
  
  
• From: nallavan (@ acaebc0f.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Jul 12 16:05:40 EDT 2003
  
  >> Care to further explain your stand on Ayodhya?
  
  Arrest Advani for mass murder and try him before an international tribunal.
  
  
• From: ERRRRRRRR (@ webport-cl4-cache5.ilford.mdip.bt.net) on: Sat Aug 30 11:42:00 EDT 2003
  
  everyone talking about AYODHYA,
  
  listen first of all,
  
  600,000 DAYS OF ISLAM
  
  80 MILLION HINDUS KILLED, AT ANOTHER SITE 108 TEMPLES HAVE BEEN FOUND THAT WERE BURIED BY HAND WITH SAND DURING MUSLIM INVASIONS, THIS HAS BEEN DECLARED AND SEEN BCOS IT IS VERY SENSITIVE, MUSLIMS AIM TO CONVERT INDIANS TO MUSLIMS,
  
  KAURAVYAN - NOT HEARD FROM YOU IN A LONG TIME, HAVE YOU FOUND OUT ABOUT THE SRI LANKAN STONEHENGE YET?
  
  SEEN THE VIM. SHAASTRA THREAD?
  
  WE'VE WON THIS ONE WITHOUT A DOUBT, PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATIONS WITH THAT NEW PEACE FLAG OF INDIA SHOULD BE FLOWN HIGH........
  
  WHAT I WANT TO ASK IS IF I WANTED TO GOTO MECCA AND SAY I WANT A CITY CALLED 'RAMLADESH' OR CITY OF RAM, WHAT RESPONSE DO YOU YOU THINK I WILL GET?
  
  SO WE HAVE BEEN TOLERANT AND WILL REMAIN TO BE SO
  
  
• From: pandyan (@ bbcache-12.singnet.com.sg) on: Sat Aug 30 12:33:31 EDT 2003
  
  Dont spoil the future of india by wasting the energy on Ayodiya.Don't sc_rew up the future of our generations.Every educated and sensible indian knows that a temple at Ayodya is not going to alleviate poverty or going to make india a powerful country.Since the majority population is illiterate,some vested interests are trying to make short term benefits.But u know what happened to Hitler at the end.
  
  
• From: liar (@ webport-cl6-cache1.ilford.mdip.bt.net) on: Sun Aug 31 15:03:28 EDT 2003
  
  who are you talking to?
  
  either a joint effort should be made on the spot or none at all....
  
  past is in the past and it should remain there....
  
  
• From: display mirror (@ host62-6-126-156.webport.bt.net) on: Mon Sep 1 20:04:29 EDT 2003
  
  Baha'u'llah - GLORY TO GOD
  
  Thats what the above meant before ISLAM or the Middle-East was even created in SANSKRIT......
  
  ISHVAR ULLA TERU NAM - GANDHIS sentence to PROMOTE PEACE........
  
  any more clues?
  
  what shall we do next?
  
  we have killed, fought and lost peopel on all sides and it has never got better,whats the NEXT step?!!!!?????!!!!!!
  
  is it so hard?
  
  i thought you Indians were intelligent and were proud to promote PEACE, well if you guys are having DIFFICULTY as to what the next step should be then take a hint........HINT HINT.......
  
  eye-opener
  
  
• From: any arguments? (@ host62-6-126-156.webport.bt.net) on: Mon Sep 1 20:08:29 EDT 2003
  
  
  this indian also created a new four cornered building representing the four major so-called religions.
  
  1st corner with a MOSQUE to represent Islam, and it will tell the history behind Islam and its routes going back in time.......
  
  2nd corner with an ENGLISH architected church to represent Christianity, and the reason for it to be English orientated is bcos it will hopefully be on English soil to help REVOLUTIONISE the religious world on UK soil for the right reasons..
  and this can be implanted into any country and they can all have their own designs to help CREATE a better future for all of us.......and display equality....
  
  the 3rd corner with a Synagogue with its own unique architecture to represent JUDAISM and telling their own history going back in time to the final corner........
  
  4th corner will be the far east with her -isms, telling the history of India and Hinduism, Buddhism, SIKHISM, JAINISM and anyother piece that is missing........
  
  hence completing the cycle of religions and telling their story all in one tour for future generations to see the similarities and not the DIFFERENCES.......
  
  even to combine the PAGAN religions with mythologies.......
  
  the same indian on this site also created a new flag of peace for india AMALGAMATING the religous signs.
  
  orange - sikh khalsa sign
  white - OM in the middle,Cross and Star Of David on either side
  green - the crescent moon of ISLAM
  
  and this new flag of peace is much needed now in INDIA esp. with the recent terror attempts......
  
  same guy when asked what to do with the diamonds that were STOLEN of a 12 year old boy IF they were ever RETURNED he suggested 'throwing them in to a live volcano in front of the world for 2 reasons, first to return them to the EARTH where they belong, secondly to show the world that materialistic things are NOTHING compared to TRUTH and true friendships amongst a whole load of stuff that is free, like LOVE.'
  
  same guy who created this sentence to make it easy for simpletons to understand how to behave in a civlised fashion and what KARMA is.
  
  actions MAY speak louder than words....
  but words will TRUELY display YOUR actions
  
  and the same guy who found the 'ulla' quotes to promote peace amongst warring idiots............
  
  and yes erecting NEW temples are not going to feed our people, but PEACE also needs to be achieved RATHER than violence and BLOODSHED.
  
  any objections?
  
  
  
• From: believer (@ aoj251f2y220g.ab.hsia.telus.net) on: Tue Sep 2 01:53:19 EDT 2003
  
  Yes I do have an objection....
  
  While there is great merit in your vision of the oneness of all people, I am not sure if you yourself truly understand what it is you preach. There is an edge of hostility in your message which suggests that perhaps you do not yet have love for all.
  
  Referring to 'simpletons' and 'warring idiots' shows that you have already passed judgement on such people who you have deemed as such. How then, could you possibly expect to manage a building with so many diverse interests.
  
  Remember, 'words will truly display your actions', your words do not give me sense of peace.
  
  
• From: believer of believer (@ webport-cl6-cache3.ilford.mdip.bt.net) on: Tue Sep 2 16:14:05 EDT 2003
  
  no offence but -
  
  first of all people who go and kill in the name of a GOD are warring idiots by their actions....
  
  therefore giving me the opportunity to call them so........
  
  secondly i am not religous, just someone who thinks for the sake of peace - which every religous group seems to think they are more peaceful than others so why not give them a headstart with an intelligent solution to shut them all up and give them a chane to view the future as it should be if we as a human race want the dictionary to designate us the title 'civilised'...........
  
  as for the simpleton thoughts is simply expressing what a white man called MICHAEL MOORE has already done with a book called 'STUPID WHITE MEN'.......making him the only HONEST,INTELLIGENT AND BRAVE white man in the WEST along with DAVID SHAYLER.......
  
  white people love putting people down yet it is them who i created the sentence for because they need it more than anyone else, and its the 21st century and the people who created the language don't know how to use it properly!!!!!!!!
  
  such intelligence can only be there for ones pleasure to mock i'm afraid........you have to laugh at the TRUTH of it even if you happen to be white........
  
  this was the quote you were refering to and along with it is the reason as to why i made that point.
  
  I ALSO CREATED THIS SENTENCE FOR SIMPLETONS WHO CANNOT UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE THEY CREATED.....
  
  'actions MAY speak louder than words,
  but words will TRUELY display your actions'
  
  If someones father is a crook, then he becomes the son of a crook, not by his actions, but by his fathers actions, so this is why KARMA is always carried out generations down the line, unless of course they REVERSE it by fully compensating for their past crimes with true dignity and honour, meaning the youth of today have to make amends for the past otherwise they bear the titles 'descendents of CHEATS,COWARDS, CHARLATANS, RAPISTS, MURDERERS, PLAGERISERS, AND SO ON ACCORDING TO HOW THEIR FOREFATHERS BEHAVED, AND REMEMBER IN THEIR EYES THEY MIGHT THINK THEIR ANCESTORS WERE CONQUERERS, WHICH IS WHY THIS YOUNG MAN SAYS 'THEY SAY THIS, THEY SAY THAT', OF COURSE IN THEIR EYES THEY WERE SEA-FEARING CONQUERORS, BUT ITS THEIR 'BIBLE OF WORDS' THAT IS THE BEARER OF TRUE TITLES, MEANING THE DICTIONARY.....and it doesn't call them civilised or conquerors.........
  
  Now, for those people like JONATHAN CAINE who had the audacity to comment on KARMA in a deragotory, and refering to the explanation as 'perverse' about how KARMA is passed down generations......
  
  He said he believed that your KARMA delivers its come uppance within ones own lifetime, well here is yours and see how your own words mince your own thoughts, and comeback on you tapping you on your shoulder with a grin as wide as the JOKERS.
  
  MR JONATHAN CAINE wrote an article suggesting that when KARMA said it is passed down to future generations, that these are 'PERVERSE' thoughts, he displayed to his whole audience what a fool he made of himself 'by his own actions', and watch how this gives him and anyone else a very good example of what karma really means, and HOW he is the example and as he said himself that he believes in ones own deliverance of KARMA in their lifetime well how marvellous, this is a small one and let him and others like DAVID DyCKE who cashed in on the MATRIX only to be laughed at by the creators......take this as a good example.
  
  Well first of all 'perverse' are actions that involve death, and collecting the heads of exotic animals, living of the wealth of the poor and needy, stealing 'JEWELS' of 12 year old boys whose family had just been killed, these are all PERVERSE,and these are just some of the actions carried out by the white race that couldn't count mellifluously until the 8th century and didn't start bathing until the last 100 years.
  
  JONATHAN CAINE - YOUR OWN ACTIONS WILL BE THE EXPLANATION FOR WHAT YOU CALLED PERVERSE, SO YOU MAY KNOW UNDERSTAND IT KRYSTAL KLEAR.
  
  YOU MADE A COMMENT ABOUT SOMETHING THAT EXPLAINS CLEARLY WHAT KARMA IS - YOU CALLED IT PERVERSE ONLY TO MAKE A FOOL OUT OF YOURSELF, NATIONALLY, ONLY TO PASS THE TITLE 'CHILDREN OF A FOOL' TO YOU CHILDREN BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS,ITS NOT THAT HARD TO COMPREHEND REALLY IS IT?
  
  HENCE THE 'TRUE ARYAN' ATTACHMENT TO THE SIMPLETON SAYING
  
  'ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS...
  BUT WORDS WILL TRUELY DISPLAY YOUR ACTIONS...
  
  AND YOU CAN SEE HOW THE TRUE ARYAN LOGIC PRAGMATICALLY OVERPOWERS THE LOGIC OF OUR SIMPLETON COUSINS WITH MAJESTIC AWE THAT MAKES SHAKESPEARE LOOK LIKE A CHILD, IF THAT IS THE STRENGTH OF ONE PERSON, IMAGINE THE STRENGTH OF A UNITED NATION OF ARYANS, THAT IS TRUE ARYANS AND NOT BARB-ARIANS. AND THE STRENGTH IS NON-VIOLENCE AND PROMOTION OF PEACE, LOVE AND HONOUR.
  
  ITS ANIMAL NATURE TO KILL,
  HUMAN NATURE TO LOVE AND CARE,
  
  DOESN'T GET SIMPLER THAN THAT, I HOPE MR CAINE BE REVERSING THE STATEMENT YOU MADE ABOUT INDIAS DIVINE SET OF KARMIC EXPLANATIONS FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR CHILDRENS TITLE, ITS OK WE ALL MAKE MISTAKES AND HOPE BEFORE YOU WRITE YOUR OPINIONS ON OTHER PEOPLES CULTURES YOU WILL THINK TWICE TO CRITICISE IT.
  
  AND HOPE ANY DOUBTS YOU HAD ON KARMIC JUSTICE IS NOW FULLY EXPLAINED AND LOUD AND KLEAR, HENCE CREATING THINGS FOR SIMPLETONS LIKE SENTENCES LIKE THE ABOVE.......AND I LEFT IT FOR HOWEVER MANY WEEKS TO MAKE YOU REALISE THAT FOR ALL THIS TIME YOU HAVE GIVEN THOSE TITLES TO YOUR CHILDREN BY YOUR ACTIONS.........YOU DECIDE IF YOU WANT THEM TO RETAIN THEM, OR SIMPLY REVERSE WHAT YOU SAID AND YOU CAN USE MY WORDS IF YOU LIKE TO EXPLAIN WHAT IT REALLY MEANT......IRONY IS GREAT, YOU WENT AND CRITICISED MY HERITAGE, ONLY TO THEN HAVE YOUR OWN WORDS PLAYED UPON YOU, AND HAVE THE MEANING OF KARMA EXPLAINED TO YOU BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS, AND ALSO GAVE ME THE CHANCE TO EXPLAIN WHY I CREATED THAT SENTENCE FOR YOU SIMPLETONS.
  
  YOUR ACTIONS PROVED TO ME THAT YOU COME FROM AN RACE THAT COULDN'T COUNT MELLIFLUOUSLY UNTIL THE 8TH CENTURY AND DIDN'T START BATHING UNTIL THE LAST CENTURY, THANK YOU AND I HOPE THAT SENTENCE AND THE ABOVE MESSAGE STICKS IN YOUR HEAD LOUD & KLEAR, AND ANYONE ELSE WHO DOUBTS THAT KARMA EXISTS,
  
  ANYWAY AFTER YOU MADE THAT COMMENT YOR READINGS WENT S#IT AND EVERYONE IS COMPLAINING, REVERSE THE CURSE, SAY YOU MADE A MISTAKE, AND WE'LL KEEP THIS INCIDENT TO OURSELVES ABOUT HOW YOUR OWN WORDS CAME UPON YOU, BUT ALSO HOW KARMA WAS EXPLAINED TO YOU BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS,AND PROMOTE THE ARYAN ATTACHMENT TO YOUR PROVERB IF YOU LIKE SO PEOPLE DON'T HAVE TO MAKE THE SAME MISTAKES AGAIN.......
  
  i hope this explains why i refer to people as simpletons bcos they behave like them..........
  
  i mean no offence - its just that i mirror people to make them realise what they look like and it works better than violence and using irony and satire i humour them whilst making my point to them in a subtle yet entertaining way like the racists who want to be like my brown skinned ancients..............
  
  true ARYANS are not barb-ARIANS........
  
  any more objections?
  
  SO LONG CAINE, AND I HOPE TO SEE THAT ARTICLE REVERSING YOUR CURSE SET UPON YOU BY YOUR OWN ACTIONS, THAT WAS THEN PASSED ON TO YOUR CHILDEN, WIFE, BCOS SHE BECOMES THE WIFE OF A FOOL AND SO ON, REVERSE IT AND YOU WILL BEAR A NEW GIFT, AND YOUR STAR READING WILL BE BACK TO NORMAL IF NOT KLEARER, KRYSTAL KLEAR.
  
  I PROMISE.
  
  as for
  
  Remember, 'words will truly display your actions', your words do not give me sense of peace.
  
  ok so MR BUSH and OSAMA BIN LADEN's words bear peace do they? sorry i didn't realise you were a fully qualified mind-reader............
  
  i have a right to call them those words because their actions are mirrored as per the dictionary so that is my witness so if you have a problem with that then take it up with the ENGLISH and get them to change the words that you picked to define 'warring idiots' and simpletons to how you see fit, but until then if they give me the chance to mirror them then i shall, to make a point like you made a point with me..........
  
  i hope that explains that - besides i am not preaching but making an obvious point which clearly needs adressing...........
  
  secondly the 4-cornered building is for the UK in Yorkshire where the Muslim riots occured which i was deeply ashamed of, even though i am not a Muslim..........
  
  its to get a message across if the BRITISH have any desire to have people living peacefully on their enchanting land......
  
  i have no desire to is my answer on this one...
  
  How then, could you possibly expect to manage a building with so many diverse interests.
  
  its a simple solution to a crappy problem - which is racism - white people who are racist are jealous of other peoples cultures which is why they are trying to bully Indians in not to call ourselves ARYAN - what kind of a free country is that? Free if you accept white people as your masters and as your GODS - please get real its the 21st century and we true ARYANS have the right to be proud of being ARYANS and we should be allowed to promote that without any fear of retaliation from stupid white men and women -
  
  they celebrate the 'red white and blue festival' meaning the racists and teach their children to deny the holocaust and to promote the blonde haired blue eyed race as perfect and that us PAKIS are taking over their land - thats the reason why i came on this site b-cos people in the UK are cowards and want to live in DENIAL....
  
  this is the kind of intelligence of the people i refer to as simpletons - and they are by their own actions........
  
  i am not here to PREACH ANYTHING so if you think i am then you need to understand this is the way i think all the time and makes me such a individual that i can't find unique people to have intelligent conversations with............
  
  nobody takes the time to adjust their head to see where others are coming from......so they miss the point which is the reason why earth is such a messed up place.........
  
  i hope that answers any doubts in your head, and any more objections please feel free to object its nice to have an intelligent response even if it is a criticism or even an observation, there is no hostility in my words just TRUTH, and we all know that the TRUTH hurts ONLY because it is the TRUTH, if it isn't then it shouldn't mean anything to you........
  
  Take care believer, nice to know someone else still BELIEVES in something.....
  
  TO THE INDIANS - HOT TOPIC - AYODHYA
  WHAT TO DO?
  
  WELL THIS YOUNG MAN AMONGST OTHER CREATIONS ALSO CREATED A FOUR CORNERED BUILDING, ONE WITH AN ISLAMIC CORNER WITH A MOSQUE ON IT TAKING YOU ON A TOUR TO GIVE YOU AN INSIGHT INTO THE RELIGON, THIS CORNER IS THEN ATTACHED TO THE CHRISTIANITY CORNER EXPLAINING THE STORY OF RELIGON GOING BACK IN TIME, THIS BEING THEN ATTACHED TO THE SYNAGOGUE REPRESENTING JUDAISM, WHICH THEN GOES BACK IN TIME TO ATTACH ITSELF TO HINDUISM AND THAT CORNER TELLING THE STORIES OF OUR -ISMS THAT SPROUTED FROM BHARAT, ALL IN ALL UNITING OUR FAITHS AND CULTURES AS ONE, AS THEY SHOULD BE, ENTERING THE NEW MILLENIUM IN FULL BLOOM AND IN A NEW ECLECTIC WAY THAT IS GOING TO BE NEW TO THE UNIVERSE, AS EARTH IS OUR DIPLOMATIC TABLE FOR THE BIGGER PICTURE, IF YOU CATCH ME DRIFT.......
  
  AND DON'T BE SCARED BY THIS THOUGHT, THE SIGNS HAVE BEEN THERE FOR AGES, AND THE MORE SIGNS THAT WERE GIVEN IN THE WEST THE MORE THEY ARE IN DENIAL ABOUT IT....
  
  THAT IS WHY THE MAYA HAS TO BE WITNESSED FIRST, OR EVEN SHOWN TO THOSE WHO CAN'T SEE IT, THEN ONLY CAN IT BE BROKEN, IF YOU DON'T KNOW IT IS THERE THEN YOU WILL NEVER KNOW YOU ARE LIVING IN IT........THEN YOU CAN'T BE SET FREE.
  
  
  
• From: truth (@ webport-cl6-cache3.ilford.mdip.bt.net) on: Tue Sep 2 16:26:24 EDT 2003
  
  and you are right - i found that sentence and all the connections to Islam bcos i have a disliking to the organised crime that then is inflicted onto everyday Hindus and others here in the west.
  
  the English rose and the Aryan Lotus of Bharat are the 2 most used type of females targeted like trophies by these Muslim gangs, my girlfriend was NEARLY one of them,she had the QURAN shoved down her neck when she was barely 15 by a group of PAKISTANI lads, then they tried to group rape her on a separate occassion bcos they heard she was a virgin.........
  
  these same 'people' actually succeeded in gang raping a girl once and then made HER feel bad about it and convinced the poor girl it was her RELIGION that made her dirty and that she should convert to ISLAM and marry one their brothers and ALLAH will forgive her.........
  
  got her to marry a dark skinned Bangladeshi and now they have 3 semi fair skinned children and they laugh at her past, and blatantly tease her that she was used to get her married to whoever and she was used to breed children, she has tried to escape only to have her parents THREATENED here in the UK in the 20-21st century..........
  
  so the
  
  ISHVAR ULLAH TERU NAM stone and sentence
  
  and
  
  BAHA 'U' LLAH was a personal find for me to make peace with myself to stop hating these type of Muslims and to pity them instead like i have to pity 'white racists' and the 'white race' generally bcos they need to be jousted of their high and mighty bigheaded deluded vision they have created of themselves b-cos it is their dictionary that defines them as well......
  
  i leave it to the literate people of any race to confirm what their dictionary defines them as....
  
  truth hurts ONLY when it is the truth
  
  

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