Why no merit there?
Topic started by vohsendhan (@ 202.88.133.66) on Thu Aug 15 08:33:53 .
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The Sikhs constitute 4% of the Indian population but occupied once 10% of the posts in the defence services. That was really through merit and nothing but merit. But Indira Gandhi had issued orders in the year 1983 restricting their representation only to 4%.
The aggrieved Sikhs passed resolutions on many a forum condemning the racial nature of the order issued by her. What is more, Beant Singh, the Chief Minister of Punjab belonging to the same Congress Party had said, in the year 1992, that the restoration of the status-quo-ante was the most important demand to bring healing touch to the much-ravaged State. Thus the Brahmin oligarchy had ensured that, in the army, it is race, which is given primary importance and not merit. There were reasons both stated and unstated.
It was the apprehension of the policy makers, who were Brahmins, that if the Sikhs were more than 4% they would be able to do something favourable only for themselves which may be against the interests of others. They, therefore, connived and made provisions restricting the enrolment of Sikhs although the Sikhs had real merit.
But, the Brahmin policy makers did not care for merit, even when it came to the defence of the nation. They thought that their suspicion was more important and more valid than appointing meritorious soldiers to defend the nation against the enemies.
Now, accepting that the stand taken by the Brahminical oligarchy was correct and based on the correct and valid premise, we must arrive at the theory that every section of the executive would protect its own interest first and make use of the opportunity available to it through the posts occupied by it in the executive. This is the theory enunciated by the policy makers in 1983 and enforced by them by forsaking the national interests even in the matters of defence.
If that be case, will not the Brahmins who constitute only 3% of the population but occupy 85 –100% of the posts in the important central ministries (including the ones in the sensitive and secretive RAW, IB, etc., hijack the government itself to protect and preserve their own interests?
When pen is admittedly mightier than sword, won’t the Brahmins who occupy 90 – 100% of the posts pose more security hazard to the nation?
Responses:
- From: Ashok (@ nat-52.laurelnetworks.com)
on: Thu Aug 15 11:14:07
paranoid pchizophrenic!!!!!
- From: Indian (@ hor186103.uea.ac.uk)
on: Thu Aug 15 13:55:06
>>It was the apprehension of the policy makers, who were Brahmins, that if the Sikhs were more than 4% they would be able to do something favourable only for themselves which may be against the interests of others.<<
Who were the then Brahmin policy makers ?
Are Indira Gandi and Beant Singh both brahmins?
How many Brahmins are in military ?
- From: Ashok (@ nat-52.laurelnetworks.com)
on: Thu Aug 15 13:57:05
indian,
dont worry, vohsendhan is the man of conspiracy theories. I think he is also a paranoid schizo! hopefully he gets help!
- From: Ashok (@ nat-52.laurelnetworks.com)
on: Thu Aug 15 14:18:40
>>The Sikhs constitute 4% of the Indian population but occupied once 10% of the posts in the defence services. That was really through merit and nothing but merit. But Indira Gandhi had issued orders in the year 1983 restricting their representation only to 4%.<<
This is hillarious, this so called "social equality" demanding person says that this reservation was wrong (I dont deny that it was) but when the same rules were implemented for the reservation system in India/tn, this he completely ignores. "social equality" my Asssss. THis guy has a very clear agenda against brahmins thats all, everythign is a conspiracy by the brahmins!
- From: vohsendhan (@ 202.88.143.68)
on: Fri Aug 16 02:06:02
Mr.Ashok
Do you question the genuinness of the infomation regarding the action taken by Indira Gandhi to restrict the Sikhs?
- From: Ashok (@ 12-226-20-115.client.attbi.com)
on: Fri Aug 16 03:03:50
>>Do you question the genuinness of the infomation regarding the action taken by Indira Gandhi to restrict the Sikhs?<<
Nope I question the genuineness of your intent.. as you can see I didnt even refute your claim, infact it was not in 1983 but the proportional representation concept was there for a bit longer than that. It was a similar concept to the reservations in education and stuff... it was even there in the 70s, I do not like this proportional representation concept, because I think merit should hold for all such positions with a little reservations for the down trodden, not a caste or religious action.
- From: Ashok (@ 12-226-20-115.client.attbi.com)
on: Fri Aug 16 03:23:21
actually right before independence the sikh representation of the "indian" army was 30%, do you know th reason for this?
well let me tell you, the sikhs were the most ardent fighters against the muslims. Hindus didnt even come close to the bravery that these people showed. When the british came to power, since the british's biggest rivals were the muslim kings they inducted a lot of sikhs into the army. After that they were very effecting in the sepoy mutiny in 1857, this is when their numbers started to increase in the british army, because the brits thought that they can be trusted. Before independence they were occupying a lot of posts in the british army. At the same time they were pivotal in the freedom struggle too. Jalianwala bagh (1919) masacre was mostly the sikhs, this is the true history no fabrication and half sided truths.
- From: Ashok Pillai (@ ipvpn068202.netvigator.com)
on: Fri Aug 16 06:20:38
Sikhs can,t be trusted.They are of hellenic heritage.Not Indians.Essentially still Indo-Europeans.
But the most slipperiest person is still the Brahmin.Aryans.
As long as Aryans rule India India will be the most fractured nation in the world .
Forget about India,s IT pride. India is still a hell hole .
Rid India of the Brahmins and meritocracy will come in.
- From: Indian (@ hor186074.uea.ac.uk)
on: Fri Aug 16 07:20:46
>>Rid India of the Brahmins and meritocracy will
come in. <<
Get rid of people like Ashok Pillai, who know only to create hatred. I am sure then India will definitely develop.
- From: Ashok Pillai. (@ ipvpn068202.netvigator.com)
on: Fri Aug 16 10:04:58
I am sure there are scores out there that love Ashok Pillai.God did not create me for nothing.
What makes you sure its not Gods element in me !
- From: Indian (@ hor186103.uea.ac.uk)
on: Fri Aug 16 10:33:09
>>I am sure there are scores out there that love Ashok Pillai.God did not create me for nothing. <<
Yes, God has created you to show us what kind of idiots can be there. People like you can never understand humanity. You always need divisions. Even if you get independent Tamil Nadu or you become prime minister of India, you are never happy. You are born of hatred, you provoke it, you never want to see Developed India. You never want lives of people improved.
Hey idiot a common man in india doesnt want your dreams, your hatred or watever evil you provoke.
He needs sufficient food, clothing and shelter. What in your life have you done for them?
Again, I want to remind you John F. Kennedy statement, I know you wont understand it, but still have a look.
Ask not what your Country has done for you. Ask what you have done for it.
I am sure he doesnt mean to people who want divisions and hatred. He means it to Optimisits and humanitarians.
- From: tamil (@ 1cust2.tnt4.des-moines.ia.da.uu.net)
on: Fri Aug 16 21:26:30
Already Assam, Kashmir, Punjap people hoisted black flag on this day. I rather salute this black flag than this tricolor flag.
There is a valid reason to break up India as it is so big and diverse to manage. It is a failing state wait and see. It will collapse like Soviet Union as people are not happy in Hindian rule.
You guys think if Hindia is together we are strong, it is wrong as till this day how many people are not having food, no body cares.
Everywhere bribe, rape murder, humen right violation this is past 50 year achievment.
Look at south east asia... why they are not together? When Hindia got freedom they were like us only, in 50 yrs they have improved a lot.
If at all Hindia is together in another 50 yrs, hindia will become another somalia, that much mismangaement.
Why people are not paying taxes -- Othulaiyamai iyakkam
Why people are bribing --- to break hindian law
If tamilnadu fisherman die by sri lanka army no body care....
We shall write a book about pathetic Indian Failing state & its stupid constitution.
Let us all become freedom fighters... of their state if they brand freedom fighers as terrorist, I happy to bear that name too rather call me Hindian.
- From: tamil (@ 1cust2.tnt4.des-moines.ia.da.uu.net)
on: Fri Aug 16 21:34:14
>common man in india doesnt want your dreams, >your hatred or watever evil you provoke.
>He needs sufficient food, clothing and shelter. >What in your life have you done for them?
This is not achieved as long as hindia is united, proven story for last 50 yrs.
>>Ask not what your Country has done for you. Ask >>what you have done for it
This stmt is tru for US, freedom nation. As for as Non Hindis slaves of Hindia, this stmt will not workout.
If hindian setup is good nobody write like this.
Don;t hide ur problems by the name of "Cricket-Cinema" patriotism.
IT is tragedy for Hindians to show their patriotism by watching and talking abt cricket. :)
There was no such country like Hindia before british came to Hindia. Racist Hindian govt settling Biharis in Kashmir to make Kashmiris a minority there.
30 Biharis killed in Kashmir due to this last month, this is self defending kashmiris act.
- From: Ashok (@ 12-226-20-115.client.attbi.com)
on: Fri Aug 16 23:08:52
Hahahahaha, thats hillarious. Here comes the backward army, where is their general MV??? I wonder why he is not leading them....
- From: human (@ )
on: Sat Sep 11 18:08:59
i just want to say that india is going to fall soon b,coz of this so-called brahamin rule . violation of human rights are too much in the country and time will come soon when india will divided into many parts kashmir, punjab, assam and one dravadian nation in south may be the rajputs will also demand for there own nation
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