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http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002/02/25/stories/2002022503170600.htm
Monday, Feb 25, 2002
`Consanguinity main reason for susceptibility to disease'
By Our Staff Reporter
MADURAI, FEB. 24. Description of mitochondrial DNA and Y chromosome markers has made the migratory pattern of homo sapiens and the causative factors for various diseases, more clear, according to Spenser Wells, of The Welcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics, University of Oxford. …
Recent collaborative studies between the Madurai Kamaraj University and the University of Oxford, UK, on Non- recombinant `Y' (NRY) chromosome have generated genomic evidences to establish the reasons behind the expansion of human communities in Central Asia and their migration to America, Europe and India. The studies are in general agreement with the mitochondrial DNA haplogroup studies.
The Head of the Department of Immunology, Madurai Kamaraj University, R.M. Pitchappan, stated that the studies on genes and Human Leucocyte Antigen (HLA) had revealed that different South Indian caste groups had their own HLA profile. Expounding the theory, he said an indepth study on NRY markers on selected South Indian race had pointers to the presence of `m130' NRY marker, characteristic of the ancient, first wave of migration from Africa, revealing the migratory route from Ethiopia to Australia through South India. For instance, the Piranmalai Kallars, who are highly exposed to the risk of HLA (DRBI 1501), possess an ancient M20 NRY chromosome showing their migration from middle-east. The same can be said of the Yadhavas of Tamil Nadu (said to be the descendants of Lord Krishna), who possess high frequency of M172 NRY allele, common in the surroundings of Baluchistan in Pakistan. The Sourashtrian population of Madurai possess M17, characteristic of Indo-Iranian nomadic culture and common in Central Asia, Dr. Pitchappan added.

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• From: Visaki Arikamedu (@ mail.britishcouncil.lk) on: Sat Mar 8 03:08:38
  
  Those two groups as well as majority of traditional trading and land owning groups in Tamilnadu does not resemble typical south Indians who are heavily build with blunt features and have wooly or curly hair.These Elites in the South is similar to recent Brahman immigrant to the south except for complexion
  
  
• From: Visaki Arikamedu (@ mail.britishcouncil.lk) on: Sat Mar 8 03:09:16
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Those two groups as well as majority of traditional trading and land owning groups in Tamilnadu does not resemble typical south Indians who are heavily build with blunt features and have wooly or curly hair.These Elites in the South is similar to recent Brahman immigrant to the south except for complexion
  
  
• From: Visaki Arikamedu (@ mail.britishcouncil.lk) on: Sat Mar 8 03:09:42
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Those two groups as well as majority of traditional trading and land owning groups in Tamilnadu does not resemble typical south Indians who are heavily build with blunt features and have wooly or curly hair.These Elites in the South is similar to recent Brahman immigrant to the south except for complexion
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ cache-syd-aa02.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Mar 8 06:01:49
  
  Viasaki:
  
  If you are looking for morphlogical features, then all people living in Tamil Nadu are akin and similar to one another execpt a small group of people. The same is the case of many north Indians who cannot be distinguished from S. Indian..The reason is the mixture of races and dravidian people scattered alaround India and Sri Lanka, Pakistan and even in Iran. But Marker genes are scientific evidence of racial relationship and closeness. When Yadavas of Tamil Nadu has marker genes similar to Gujaratis and Baluchistan (Pak) thats an evidence that they are related to each other and must be the descendant of Indus dravidians because baluchistan people speak Bahruhi which is classified as a Dravidian language similar to tamil by eminent linguistics.
  
  
  
• From: drav (@ 61.1.178.127) on: Sat Mar 8 12:28:20
  
  brahuis are pulikesin and rashtrakoota soldiers descendants who spoke old kannada (similar to tamil). the dravidians have little to do with sindhu sarasvati area.
  
  
• From: Krishna (@ cache-syd-aa02.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Mar 9 06:29:04
  
  Drav:
  
  "">>the dravidians have little to do with sindhu sarasvati area."""
  
  Sorry your posting reminds me the tamil saying " Mottathalaikkum mulankalukkum mudichu potta mathiri (can you tie a bald head and knee together..)
  
  Sarasvathy is one of the expansion of Indus civilisation..and there were hundreds of them ...All of them are classified by eminet historians as akin to Indus and as dravidians... IN later years other invaders and migrants settled there...
  Here is another genomic study by Oxford and MK University, that provide evidence of Aryan is not native of Indus or sarasvathy. Aryans must be Invader or migrant to India..and many more geneomic studies already confirmed this...pls search and read some of them.
  
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  http://www.chitpavans.com/chitpavangenetics1.html
  
  In 1996, Balakrishnan and his group (Human Biology, August 1996), from Madurai studied HLA ( Human lymphocytic antigen) polymorphism of Iyer Brahmins, Bhargavas, and Punjabis from Delhi area and showed that all of them differ in their genetic inheritance. Vedic Aryan community was not a homogenous one group, rather it was split into small tribes scattered over a vast area incorporating different gene pools, and resulting in several sub caste within the Brahmanic group. He shows Bhargavas to be genetically more related to Uzbeks, Ukrainians and Portuguese, while Punjabis genetically closer to Iranians, Iraqis etc. Iyers show closer genes to people from Central Asia near Eurasian steppes, but interestingly some genetic closeness with the Chinese and Thai not found in any other Brahmins . This probably suggests probable route of their migration to south India via South East Asia and acquiring these genes by some conjugal relationship along the way.
  
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• From: drav (@ 203.197.20.99) on: Sun Mar 9 07:59:00
  
  krishna--
  original dravidians from iran uplands overlooking mesopotamia viz. elam. very long ago. Who cares where brahmins came from or what they are composed. why you have resistance to rashtrakoota expansion in baluchistan. you cannot perceive dravidians to do so? marker genes can be contrbuted by how many are required? One settler from far away is enough? or large number is required?
  
  
• From: BD (@ cache-dr10.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Mar 9 13:16:27
  
  Drav,
  
  The Baluchistanis are leftover Kannadiga soldiesr was putforawrd by OITers but it is not mainstraem theory. It has many problems, number 1 Brahui does not belong to the Southern Branch of Dravidian languages, It is closely realted Northern Dravidian languages like Kui which is used in Southern Bihar and northern MP. Kanndiga is vclsely realted to Tamil and is a Southern Dravidian language, where as Telugu belongs to eastern branch along with many small tribvla languages.
  
  Brahui is seperated from Kanndiga by atleast 3,000 years. Rshtrakuta invasion is only 1200-800 year phenomenon.
  
  
• From: nram (@ ) on: Thu Sep 11 15:47:16
  
  Mmmm!!! Interesting discussion..
  
  I am trying to find, if Tamil Iyers are originating in Tamil Nadu or from Ancient Persia...
  
  Some of my ancestors in Tirunelveli, spoke Farsi, another Gujarati, another wrote in Brahmi script..
  They were Tamil Iyers, Samavedis and Worshippuing Shiva as natraja...Fire worshippers...
  
  To me this is quite confusing... I have been trying to trace my ancestry...in Tirunveli Tamil Nadu..
  
  Will gene markers could help...How does one gets tested for genetic marking...
  
  Pls. help
  
  
• From: Bhat (@ as2-23.ppp.uml.edu) on: Thu Sep 11 17:34:50 EDT 2003
  
  Drav,
  Brahui has nothing to do with Kannada,
  Kannada has descended from Old Tamil, i.e South Dravidian Family,
  where as Brahui, Elamite ( Iran ) are considered
  North Dravidian Laguage Family
  
  
• From: :) (@ d150-40-7.home.cgocable.net) on: Thu Sep 11 19:08:21 EDT 2003
  
  annAchchi,
  
  "I am trying to find, if Tamil Iyers are originating in Tamil Nadu or from Ancient Persia... "
  
  Why do you want to find this? If you are from Ancient Persia, then are you willing to give up some of your rights in Tamilnadu and claim your rights in Persia???
  
  "Some of my ancestors in Tirunelveli, spoke Farsi, another Gujarati, another wrote in Brahmi script..
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  Even the Parsees don't speak Farsi. So if they spoke Farsi, then they might have learnt it or perhaps were muslims.
  
  If they spoke Gujarati, they could be from Gujarat or they could be Parsis, or may be they lived in Gujarat for a while and so learnt the language.
  
  "another wrote in Brahmi script"
  Brahmi was just a name given by the darn Brits to the Indian script. It has nothing uniquely Brahmin about it.
  
  
  
• From: pure caste sumthin (@ 61.11.52.219) on: Fri Sep 12 10:05:10 EDT 2003
  
  your'all so ghay
  
  
• From: pandi (@ bbcache-13.singnet.com.sg) on: Sat Sep 13 12:17:40 EDT 2003
  
  But I am sure the tamil ayers are sudra brahmins
  
  
• From: BRISHNA (@ ) on: Thu Dec 4 08:43:55
  
  TAMIL PEOPLE R FORGET THEIR ORIGIN,WE SHITAR PARAMBARAI LIKE THIRUNYANASAMBANTHAR,NOW WE FOOLED BY ARIYANS NOT ONLY THAT THRY FOLLOW SUPER STITOUSHES LIKE ,TIME,CAST,LIZARD
  
  
• From: Timurlane (@ ppp-219.65.6.171.mum1.vsnl.net.in) on: Sun Dec 21 13:47:28 EST 2003
  
  M17 a marker of Aryan heritage.
  I don't know how a fact can be used to support the hypothesis it disproves...
  The M17 found among the immigrant Saurashtrians of Tamil nadu is a marker of Aryan heritage. Check it up...
  -Timur
  
  
• From: Truth (@ 202.9.167.170) on: Sun Dec 28 00:10:55 EST 2003
  
  Very Silly and immature people.As for the so called Tam Bram and the Tams , all are united in identity crisis.All are from the same soil.My own feeling is that when some Aryans passed over the area , some people quickly aped them , they are the Tam Brams.Later some kings gave them grants (agrahara system) , and they became landlords.
  
  Anyway , neither the Tam Brams nor the Tams have anything to do with either Indus valley Civilisation or with Aryan civilisation.
  
  
• From: udaya seneviratne (@ 203.115.31.44) on: Wed Jan 7 05:32:06 EST 2004
  
  Present South indians do not show any genetic resemblance to Indus civilization people nor to the megalithic people of the south india .But Sinhalses show close similarities to the both ancient groups
  
  
• From: R (@ h66-59-174-253.gtconnect.net) on: Wed Jan 21 16:10:59 EST 2004
  
  "But Sinhalses show close similarities to the both ancient groups"
  
  Go to Colombo and show us the dam similarities, start from your President down to the street cleaner !!!
  
  
• From: arun (@ 219.93.184.122) on: Fri Jan 23 12:24:37 EST 2004
  
  sudra brahmins ?
  sudras how can become brahmins ?
  
  "Aryo Thrivarnka" no way
  
  
• From: s. abinanth (@ ) on: Fri Dec 31 05:26:30
  
  actually i want to know whether the people of deccan are descendants of indo aryan
  
  
• From: yep (@ 216-12-67-243.cv.mvl.ntelos.net) on: Tue Jan 11 16:41:56 EST 2005
  
  well the info in this thread is nothing new.
  but there are some slight modifications/correcttions needed in the title discussion
  
  
• From: aj (@ 61.8.146.249) on: Fri Jan 28 08:46:04 EST 2005
  
  can anyone details of the descendence of saurashtrians tamilnadu there r many sayings how they have come here 2 tamilnadu which is the correct one
  
  

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