Topic started by Urme (@ skysystemsuk.plus.com) on Mon Dec 29 10:08:01 EST 2003.
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Many Hindus are lost because they find Hinduism too diverse to understand in a nutshell in their lifetime. The advance Hindus have some responsibility to ensure that the understanding of Hinduism is not found to be a task by those trying to understand it. As a guide, we need to understand what is Hinduism and the basics of what it entails.

Hinduism consists of a wide range of beliefs and philosophy. Hinduism is not homogenous by nature, but rather diverse, depending on the historical period and the specific school of thought. Yet, nothing is really lost from any spiritual concept, but rather becomes added to a wider spiritual picture and integrated within the new new layers of Hinduism - meaning it can adapt to changes. Therefore, there are many methods to any spiritual progress and final liberation or salvation. Hinduism is a long human endeavour to bring down the divine consciousness by sanctification of the human existence itself.

The main embodiment of Hinduism:

Dharma: The right conduct of life if fully accomplished leads to Moksha, an accomplishment of final liberation. This path to final liberation has three parts: the path of action (called karma); the path of knowledge (Jhana); and the path of devotion.

The path to final liberation/Moksha is also the highest level of salvation of which there are six schools which can be found in the Upanishad-s. These six schools with the understanding of Karma and Devotion entails, should provide some basis understanding of Hinduism. They also give good pointers to the debt of Hinduism.

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• From: Urme (@ skysystemsuk.plus.com) on: Mon Dec 29 12:20:04 EST 2003
  
  Should read >These six schools with the understanding of 'what' Karma and Devotion entails, should provide some basis understanding of Hinduism
  
  
• From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Mon Dec 29 14:50:23 EST 2003
  
  //The path to final liberation/Moksha is also the highest level of salvation of which there are six schools which can be found in the Upanishad-s//
  
  And don't worry - my dear - you still won't get there in your lifetime, for the Upanishads number more than three hundred books of at least a thousand lines each. And it would not be in this life that you can read them all - in an disused langauge called Sanskrit - and get to the root of Hinduism that will bring you moksha.
  
  And without Moksha, you can be rest assured you will have another life on earth to try again to find it!
  
  Keep trying, my dear!
  
  
• From: Star (@ dial0-024.dialin.uic.edu) on: Tue Dec 30 02:29:17 EST 2003
  
  Idiappam
  
  If you have found a higher purpose in life than Santana Dharma, plz state it. Do not complain about learning Sanskritam because you are too lazy to... that is only the first step, if we sacrifice 10 seconds to learn 2 words in Sanskrit, it is 10 more seconds of practicing good Dharma.
  
  
• From: Gogiya (@ 57.73.12.98) on: Wed Dec 31 16:04:35 EST 2003
  
  Star,
  I am very pity on you. You are like a Kindergarten child. Good language nothing to do with Dharma. Don’t teach your ignorance to others.
  
  
• From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Wed Dec 31 21:54:44 EST 2003
  
  Star asked:
  
  //Idiappam
  If you have found a higher purpose in life than Santana Dharma, plz state it.//
  
  vaiyatthuL vAzhvAnku vAzhpavan, vAnuraiyum
  deivatthuL vaikkap padum.
  - Thirukkural, Thiruvalluvar
  
  "He who, on earth, has lives well and a good man, will be placed with the Lord.
  
  You need not care a penny for any of those fat books for moksha! Star, my dear!
  
  
• From: mummudicholan (@ 61-221-30-167.hinet-ip.hinet.net) on: Sun Jan 4 00:14:09 EST 2004
  
  LUSTFUL SITA VS THE "IMPOTENT" RAMA
  The negationist television serials depict Sita as supposedly denying Ravan's advances. However, the oldest versions of Ramayana (read - tose not yet manipulated by the Brahmins) belie these falsehoods, and amply demonstrate that Sita willingly eloped with Ravana, the Black Tamil King.
  Thus Sita told Rama "You are no better than a womanmonger who lets his wife for hire and makes his livelihood. You want to be profited by my prostitution". Sita also told Rama "You lack in POTENCE, manners and charm" and she called her husband a simpleton.
  
  As soon as Sita stepped into Ravan's palace, her love towards Ravan grew more. (Aranya Kandam, Chapter 54).
  
  When at length Rama asked Sita to swear about her chastity, she declined and died. (Uttar Kandam, Chapter 97)
  
  Kukuvavathy, sister-in-law of Rama, said to him - "Oh Elder! How you love Sita more than you love yourself! Come with me and see what really is in your lovely wife's heart. Still she could not forget that fellow Ravan. Drawing a picture of Ravan on a hand-fan and pressing it closely to her bosom. She is lying on your bed with eyes closed thinking on and rejoicing at Ravan's glories. Rama sighed and went out to Sita's house. There she was found sleeping pressing to her breast the hand-fan on which Ravan's picture was drawn." (This is found in pages 199, 200 of the Bengali Ramayana written by Mrs. Chandravathi).
  
  WHAT LEADERS SAY ABOUT GOD RAMA?
  When such dastardly acts are proven to have been perpetrated by Rama, the Brahmin leaders declare : "My Rama (god Rama) is not the Rama of Ramayana". So each Brahmin has his own Aryan god Rama, which does not exist in any text !
  
  SOME QUOTATIONS ON RAMAYANA
  
  MAHATHMA GHANDI : "The Ramayana and Mahabaratha are nothing but another Arabian Nights story".
  
  JAWAHERLAL NEHRU : "Rama is not a god; but he is a hero ".
  
  C. RAJAGOPALACHARI, First Governor General of India & Ex Chief Minister, Tamil Nadu). : "Ramayana is not a divine story; it is only a literature."
  -- cited in KALIYUGA KAMBAN,
  T.K. CHIDAMBARANATHA MUDALIAR
  
  
• From: mummudicholan (@ 61-221-30-167.hinet-ip.hinet.net) on: Sun Jan 4 00:14:29 EST 2004
  
  LUSTFUL SITA VS THE "IMPOTENT" RAMA
  The negationist television serials depict Sita as supposedly denying Ravan's advances. However, the oldest versions of Ramayana (read - tose not yet manipulated by the Brahmins) belie these falsehoods, and amply demonstrate that Sita willingly eloped with Ravana, the Black Tamil King.
  Thus Sita told Rama "You are no better than a womanmonger who lets his wife for hire and makes his livelihood. You want to be profited by my prostitution". Sita also told Rama "You lack in POTENCE, manners and charm" and she called her husband a simpleton.
  
  As soon as Sita stepped into Ravan's palace, her love towards Ravan grew more. (Aranya Kandam, Chapter 54).
  
  When at length Rama asked Sita to swear about her chastity, she declined and died. (Uttar Kandam, Chapter 97)
  
  Kukuvavathy, sister-in-law of Rama, said to him - "Oh Elder! How you love Sita more than you love yourself! Come with me and see what really is in your lovely wife's heart. Still she could not forget that fellow Ravan. Drawing a picture of Ravan on a hand-fan and pressing it closely to her bosom. She is lying on your bed with eyes closed thinking on and rejoicing at Ravan's glories. Rama sighed and went out to Sita's house. There she was found sleeping pressing to her breast the hand-fan on which Ravan's picture was drawn." (This is found in pages 199, 200 of the Bengali Ramayana written by Mrs. Chandravathi).
  
  WHAT LEADERS SAY ABOUT GOD RAMA?
  When such dastardly acts are proven to have been perpetrated by Rama, the Brahmin leaders declare : "My Rama (god Rama) is not the Rama of Ramayana". So each Brahmin has his own Aryan god Rama, which does not exist in any text !
  
  SOME QUOTATIONS ON RAMAYANA
  
  MAHATHMA GHANDI : "The Ramayana and Mahabaratha are nothing but another Arabian Nights story".
  
  JAWAHERLAL NEHRU : "Rama is not a god; but he is a hero ".
  
  C. RAJAGOPALACHARI, First Governor General of India & Ex Chief Minister, Tamil Nadu). : "Ramayana is not a divine story; it is only a literature."
  -- cited in KALIYUGA KAMBAN,
  T.K. CHIDAMBARANATHA MUDALIAR
  
  
• From: Gods of Hindus (@ 61.247.243.238) on: Mon Jan 5 06:23:35 EST 2004
  
  Gods in Hiduism are different in South and North India. Even the basic names differs and there is no theory which relates Hinduism of south and north except avatar stories.
  
  Over that Hindu Gods in North can clearly be viewed by face but in South they are often hidden in dark room and face is always covered with foreign elements.
  
  Why is so much of difference. Gods of South Indian Hinduism do not exist in any History.
  
  But gods of North Indian Hinduism do exist in Shastras, Puranas and Granthas or even history books.
  
  Kindly comment .
  
  
• From: Gogiya (@ 57.73.12.98) on: Tue Jan 6 13:39:01 EST 2004
  
  Hello Gods of Hindus (@ 61.247.243.238
  You’re posting also the one of the proof or supports for the Aryans 'invasion' theory? Am I right?
  
  

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