Topic started by vibhu (@ dialpool-210-214-145-4.maa.sify.net) on Wed Oct 17 09:10:48 .
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Sreerama is considered as an exemplary man and a model King. But can we justify his following actions?
1. Killing of Bali.
2. Directing Soorpanekha to Lakshman.
3. Asking Seetha to do the Agni pareeksha
4. Sending of Pregnant Seetha to forest.

I feel the above can not be justified. I would like to hear others’ views on these

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• From: mummudicholan (@ 12-254-52-15.client.attbi.com) on: Sun Oct 19 14:40:00 EDT 2003
  
  /A PIMP OR A WHORE OR THE UNLAWFUL CHILDREN BORN BY THEM. //
  
  Thanks for the compliments. This is the kind of overwhelming support I need to continue to decipher the "holy" Hindu scriptures and present it here for your
  enjoyment.
  
  //DIRTIEST PIECE OF SCRIPTURE TWISTING EVER TO BE SEEN.THE KIND OF WRITING PROVIDED BY U//
  
  You must have read my post word for word in order to give this glowing review. Thanks for reading. Enjoy!
  
  Vande Matharam!
  
  Vandhade Moothiram!
  
  Kondu Vaa Paathiram!
  
  
  Anbudan,
  ~cholan~
  
  
• From: tamilian (@ bbcache-11.singnet.com.sg) on: Mon Oct 20 12:41:17 EDT 2003
  
  From: ARUN (@ ca-mod211-c.spectranet.com) on: Sun Oct 19 04:02:05 EDT 2003
  
  This is the true nature of your religion.Nobody
  is prepared to support Lord lavade Rama.Who is
  going to support a man who lived only for the welfare of a paqrticular caste ie brahmins?Impossible.He can never become a god.He is simply an ass* hole
  
  
• From: tamilian (@ bbcache-15.singnet.com.sg) on: Mon Oct 20 14:07:11 EDT 2003
  
  "From: Karthikdevan (@ 12-231-63-199.client.attbi.com) on: Tue Oct 14 12:09:43 EDT 2003
  HUNGRY HINDU GODDESSES EAT SIVA'S BALLS & SAY 'DELICIOUS'
  
  Foolish Hindu Goddesses ravenously eat Lord Siva's testicles:
  
  "The demon Ruru with his army attacked the gods, who sought refuge with Devi. She laughed, and an army of goddesses emerged from her mouth. They killed Ruru and his army, but then they were hungry and asked for food. Devi summoned Rudra Pasupati and said, 'You have the form of a goat and you smell like a goat. These ladies will eat your flesh or else they will eat everything, even me.' Siva said, 'When I pierced the fleeing sacrifice of Daksa, which had taken the form of a goat, I obtained the smell of a goat. But let the goddesses eat that which pregnant women have defiled with their touch, and newborn children, and women who cry all the time.' Devi refused this disgusting food, and finally Siva said, 'I will give you something never tasted by anyone else: the two balls resembling fruits below my navel. Eat the testicles that hang there and be satisfied.' Delighted by this gift, the goddesses praised Siva and ate his balls."
  
  -- Padma Purana 5:26:91-125; cf. Linga Purana 1:106:1-27; Matsya Purana 252:5-19, 179:7-186; Kurma Purana 1:16:141-222."
  wonderful story for the glory of so-called hinduism.Let us become pandits of the socalled hinduism I mean brahminism.
  
  
• From: tamilian (@ bbcache-15.singnet.com.sg) on: Tue Oct 21 13:53:05 EDT 2003
  
  Still I believe in these VHP/RSS Pvt ltd.They are going to abolish cast system soon.They are really interested in forming a uniform hindu(?) society.
  They are our Protectors.They have proved this in the past 3000 years of indian history.They are not against reservation.But if we talk about reservation then they may occasionally try to divert us to Mughal invasion.
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 220.226.29.83) on: Tue Oct 21 14:50:03 EDT 2003
  
  Firt gujjus, marwari,
  then brahmins
  then iyers/iyengars
  then muslims,
  chrisitians,
  then thevars
  then hindians,
  then sanskrit
  
  NOW COMES VHP/RSS as main culprit of destroying tamil culture
  
  
• From: karthi (@ 220.226.29.83) on: Tue Oct 21 14:51:10 EDT 2003
  
  * First gujjus, marwari,
  then brahmins
  then iyers/iyengars
  then muslims,
  chrisitians,
  then thevars
  then hindians,
  then sanskrit
  
  NOW COMES VHP/RSS as main culprit of destroying tamil culture
  
  
  
  
• From: ARUN (@ netcache.spectranet.com) on: Sun Oct 26 06:52:32 EST 2003
  
  MMC,
  UR ARTICLE WAS NOT WORTH READING A SINGLE LINE.THATS ALL I READ.I SAID THIS ONCE BEFORE I SAY IT AGAIN I WILL TRACK U DOWN ONE DAY AND THAT WIIL BE THE MOST MISERABLE DAY OF UR LIFE.NOTHING WILL MATTER TO U B'COS UR JUST A LOW GRADE PROS' WITH NO SELF RESPECT.UR VERY EXISTANCE IS OF NO USE TO ANYONE.AND ALL I WROTE ABOUT U WAS TRUE.
  
  ARUN (@ ca-mod211-c.spectranet.com
  UR ARE A LOW CAST ASSHO*LE,UR FATHER IS AN ASSHO*LE,AND THE SAME GOES FOR UR FAMILY AND UR NEXT GENERATIONS TO COME.
  
  
  
• From: Venkat (@ 61.11.76.244) on: Sun Oct 26 07:29:43 EST 2003
  
  ARUN & MMC both are using same IP and server both from South Delhi.
  
  
• From: Gogiya (@ 57.73.12.98) on: Sun Oct 26 23:56:02 EST 2003
  
  Search after Truth
  
  Complete harmony with science is evident in the Bahá'í teachings regarding the way in which we must seek the truth. Man must cut himself free from all prejudice so that he may search after truth unhindered.
  
  Abdu'l-Baha says: --
  
  In order to find truth we must give up our prejudices, our own small trivial notions; an open receptive mind is essential. If our chalice is full of self, there is no room in it for the water of life. The fact that we imagine ourselves to be right and everybody else wrong is the greatest of all obstacles in the path towards unity, and unity is essential if we would reach Truth, for Truth is one. ...
  No one truth can contradict another truth. Light is good in whatsoever lamp it is burning! A rose is beautiful in whatsoever garden it may bloom! A star has the same radiance if it shines from the East or from the West! Be free from prejudice; so will you love the Sun of Truth from whatever point in the horizon it may arise. You will realize that if the Divine Light of Truth shone in Jesus Christ, it also shone in Moses and Buddha. This is what is meant by the search after truth.
  
  It also means that we must be willing to clear away all that we have previously learned, all that would clog our steps on the way to Truth; we must not shrink, if necessary, from beginning our education all over again. We must not allow our love for any one religion or any one personality so to blind our eyes that we become fettered by superstition. When we are freed from all these bonds, seeking with liberal minds, then shall we be able to arrive at our goal.
  
  
  Agnosticism
  
  
  The Bahá'í teaching is at one with science and philosophy in declaring the essential nature of God to be entirely beyond human comprehension. As emphatically as Thomas Huxley and Herbert Spencer teach that the nature of the Great First Cause is unknowable, does Baha'u'llah teach that "God comprehends all; He cannot be comprehended." To knowledge of the Divine essence "the way is barred and road is impassable," for how can the finite comprehend the Infinite; how can a drop contain the ocean or a mote dancing in the sunbeam embrace the universe? Yet the whole universe is eloquent of God. In each drop of water are hidden oceans of meaning, and in each mote is concealed a whole universe of significances, reaching far beyond the ken of the most learned scientist. The chemist and physicist pursuing their researches into the nature of matter have passed from masses to molecules, from molecules to atoms, from atoms to electrons and ether, but at every step the difficulties of the research increase till the most profound intellect can penetrate no farther, and can but bow in silent awe before the unknown Infinite which remains ever shrouded in inscrutable mystery.
  
  Flower in the crannied wall,
  I pluck you out of the crannies. I hold you here, root and all, in my hand, Little
  flower -- but if I could understand What you are, root and all, and all in all,
  I should know what God and man is. -- TENNYSON.
  
  If the flower in the crannied wall, if even a single atom of matter, present mysteries which the most profound intellect cannot solve, how is it possible for man to comprehend the universe? How dare he pretend to define or describe the Infinite cause of all things? All theological speculations about the nature of God's essence are thus swept aside as foolish and futile.
  
  Knowledge of God
  
  
  
  But if the essence is unknowable, the manifestations of its bounty are everywhere apparent. If the first cause cannot be conceived, its effects appeal to our every faculty. Just as knowledge of a painter's pictures gives to the connoisseur a true knowledge of the artist, so knowledge of the universe in any of its aspects -- knowledge of nature or of human nature, of things visible or of things invisible -- is knowledge of God's handiwork, and gives to the seeker for Divine truth a real knowledge of His Glory. "The Heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork. Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge. -- Ps. xix, 1-2.
  
  The Divine Manifestations
  
  
  
  All things manifest the bounty of God with greater or less clearness, as all material objects exposed to the sun reflect its light in greater or less degree. A heap of soot reflects a little, a stone reflects more, a piece of chalk more still, but in none of these reflections can we trace the form and color of the glorious orb. A perfect mirror, however, reflects the sun's very form and color, so that looking into it is like looking at the sun itself. So it is with the way in which things speak to us of God. The stone can tell us something of the Divine attributes, the flower can tell us more, the animal with its marvelous senses, instincts and power of movement, more still. In the lowest of our fellowmen we can trace wonderful faculties which tell of a wonderful Creator. In the poet, the saint, the genius, we find a higher revelation still, but the great Prophets and Founders of religions are the perfect mirrors by which the love and wisdom of God are reflected to the rest of mankind. Other men's mirrors are dulled by the stains and the dust of selfishness and prejudice, but these are pure and without blemish -- wholly devoted to the Will of God. Thus They become the greatest educators of mankind. The Divine teachings and the Power of the Holy Spirit proceeding through Them have been and are the cause of the progress of humanity, for God helps men through other men. Each man who is higher in the ascent of life is the means of helping those who are lower, and those who are the highest of all are the helpers of all mankind. It is as if all men were connected together by elastic cords. If a man rises a little above the general level of his fellows, the cords tighten. His former companions tend to draw him back, but with an equal force he draws them upwards. The higher he gets, the more he feels the weight of the whole world pulling him back, and the more dependent he is on the divine support, which reaches him through the few who are still above him. Highest of all are the great Prophets and Saviors, the Divine "Manifestations" -- those perfect men Who were each, in Their day, without peer or companion, and bore the burden of the whole world, supported by God alone. "The burden of our sins was upon Him: was true of each of Them. Each was the "Way, the Truth and the Life" to His followers. Each was the channel of God's bounty to every heart that would receive it. Each had His part to play in the great divine plan for the upliftment of humanity.
  
  Creation
  
  
  
  Baha'u'llah teaches that the universe is without beginning in time. It is a perpetual emanation from the Great First Cause. The Creator always had His creation and always will have. Worlds and systems may come and go, but the universe remains. All things that undergo composition, in time undergo decomposition, but the component elements remain. The creation of a world, a daisy or a human body is not "making something out of nothing"; it is rather a bringing together of elements which before were scattered, a making visible of something which before was hidden. By and by the elements will again be scattered, the form will disappear, but nothing is really lost or annihilated; ever new combinations and forms arise from the ruins of the old. Baha'u'llah confirms the scientists who claim, not six thousand, but millions and billions of years for the history of the earth's creation. The evolution theory does not deny creative power. It only tries to describe the method of its manifestation; and the wonderful story of the material universe which the astronomer, the geologist, the physicist and the biologist are gradually unfolding to our gaze is, rightly appreciated, far more capable of evoking the deepest reverence and worship than the crude and bald account of creation given in the Hebrew Scriptures. The old account in the Book of Genesis had, however, the advantage of indicating by a few bold strokes of symbolism the essential spiritual meanings of the story, as a master painter may, by a few strokes of the brush, convey expressions which the mere plodder with the most laborious attention to details may utterly fail to portray. If the material details blind us to the spiritual meaning, then we should be better without them; but if we have once firmly grasped the essential meaning of the whole scheme, then knowledge of the details will give our conception a wonderful added richness and splendor and make it a magnificent picture instead of a mere sketch plan.
  
  Abdu'l-Baha says: --
  
  Know that it is one of the most abstruse spiritual truths that the world of existence, that is to say this endless universe, has no beginning. ...
  ... Know that ... a creator without a creature is impossible, a provider without those provided for cannot be conceived; for all the divine names and attributes demand the existence of beings. If we could imagine a time when no beings existed, this imagination would be the denial of the Divinity of God. Moreover, absolute non-existence cannot become existence. If the beings were absolutely non-existent, existence would not have come into being. Therefore, as the Essence of Unity, that is the existence of God, is everlasting and eternal -- that is to say, it has neither beginning nor end -- it is certain that this world of existence ... has neither beginning nor end. ... it may be that one of the parts of the universe, one of the globes, for example, may come into existence, or may be disintegrated, but the other endless globes are still existing.
  ... As each globe has a beginning, necessarily it has an end, because every composition, collective or particular, must of necessity be decomposed; the only difference is that some are quickly decomposed, and others more slowly, but it is impossible that a composed thing should not eventually be decomposed. -- Some Answered Questions, pp. 209-210.
  The Evolution of Man
  
  
  Baha'u'llah also confirms the biologist who finds for the body of man a history reaching back in the development of the species through millions of years. Starting from a very simple, apparently insignificant form, the human body is pictured as developing stage by stage, in the course of untold generations, becoming more and more complex, and better and better organized until the man of the present day is reached. Each individual human body develops through such a series of stages, from a tiny round speck of jelly-like matter to the fully developed man. If this is true of the individual, as nobody denies, why should we consider it derogatory to human dignity to admit a similar development for the species? This is a very different thing from claiming that man is descended from a monkey. The human embryo may at one time resemble a fish with gill-slits and tail, but it is not a fish. It is a human embryo. So the human species1
  
  may at various stages of its long development have resembled to the outward eye various species of lower animals, but it was still the human species, possessing the mysterious latent power of developing into man as we know him today, nay more, of developing in the future, we trust, into something far higher still.
  
  Abdu'l-Baha says: --
  
  ... it is clear that this terrestrial globe in its present form did not come into existence all at once; but ... gradually passed through different phases until it became adorned with its present perfection. ...
  ... man, in the beginning of his existence and in the womb of the earth, like the embryo in the womb of the mother, gradually grew and developed, and passed from one form to another ... until he appeared with this beauty and perfection, this force and this power. It is certain that in the beginning he had not this loveliness and grace and elegance, and that he only by degrees attained this shape, this form, this beauty, and this grace. ...
  ... man's existence on this earth, from the beginning until it reaches this state, form, and condition, necessarily lasts a long time. ... But from the beginning of man's existence he is a distinct species. ... admitting that the traces of organs which have disappeared actually exist [in the human body], this is not a proof of the impermanence and the non-originality of the species. At the most it proves that the form, and fashion, and the organs of man have progressed. Man was always a distinct species, a man, not an animal. -- Some Answered Questions, pp. 211, 212, 213, 214.
  
  Of the story of Adam and Eve He says: --
  
  If we take this story in its apparent meaning, according to the interpretation of the masses, it is indeed extraordinary. The intelligence cannot accept it, affirm it, or imagine it; for such arrangements, such details, such speeches and reproaches are far from being those of an intelligent man, how much less of the Divinity -- that Divinity who has organised this infinite universe in the most perfect form, and its innumerable inhabitants with absolute system, strength, and perfection. ...
  Therefore this story of Adam and Eve who ate from the tree, and their expulsion from Paradise, must be thought of simply as a symbol. It contains divine mysteries and universal meanings, and it is capable of marvellous explanations. -- Some Answered Questions, p. 140
  
  
  Body and Soul
  
  
  The Bahá'í teachings with regard to body and soul, and the life after death, are quite in harmony with the results of psychical research. They teach, as we have seen, that death is but a new birth -- the escape from the prison of the body into a larger life, and that progress in the afterlife is limitless.
  
  A large body of scientific evidence has gradually been accumulating which in the opinion of impartial but highly critical investigators is amply sufficient to establish beyond all question the fact of a life after death -- of the continued life and activity of the conscious "soul" after the dissolution of the material body. As F. W. H. Myers says in his Human Personality, a work which summarizes many of the investigations of the Psychical Research Society: --
  
  Observation, experiment, inference, have led many inquirers, of whom I am one, to a belief in direct or telepathic intercommunication, not between the minds of men still on earth only, but between minds or spirits still on earth and spirits departed. Such a discovery opens the doors also to revelation. ...
  We have shown that amid much deception and self-deception, fraud and illusion, veritable manifestations do reach us from beyond the grave. ...
  
  By discovery and by revelation certain theses have been provisionally established with regard to such departed souls as we have been able to encounter. First and chiefly, I, at least, see ground to believe that their state is one of endless evolution in wisdom and in love. Their loves of earth persist, and most of all, those highest loves which find their outlet in adoration and worship. ... Evil to them seems less a terrible than a slavish thing. It is embodied in no mighty Potentate; rather it forms as isolating madness from which higher spirits strive to free the distorted soul. There needs no chastisement of fire; self-knowledge is man's punishment and his reward; self-knowledge and the nearness or the aloofness of companion souls. For in that world love is actually self-preservation; the Communion of Saints not only adorns but constitutes the Life Everlasting. nay, from the laws of telepathy it follows that that communion is valid to us here and now. Even now the love of souls departed makes answer to our invocations. Even now our loving memory -- love is itself a prayer -- supports and strengthens those delivered spirits upon their upward way.
  
  The measure of agreement between this view, which is founded on careful scientific research, and that of the Bahá'í teachings, is truly remarkable.
  
  Unity of Mankind
  
  
  
  "Ye are all fruits of one tree, the leaves of one branch, the flowers of one garden." That is one of the most characteristic sayings of Baha'u'llah, and another is like it: "Glory is not his who loves his own country, but glory is his who loves his kind." Unity -- unity of mankind, and of all created beings in God -- is the main theme of His teaching. Here again the harmony between true religion and science is evident. With every advance in science the oneness of the universe and the interdependence of its parts has become more clearly evident. The astronomer's domain is inseparably bound up with physicist's, and the physicist's with the chemist's, the chemist's with the biologist's, the biologist's with the psychologist's, and so on. Every new discovery in one field of research throws new light on other fields. Just as physical science has shown that every particle of matter in the universe attracts and influences every other particle, no matter how minute or how distant, so psychical science is finding that every soul in the universe affects and influences every other soul. Prince Kropotkin, in his book on Mutual Aid, shows most clearly that even among the lower animals, mutual aid is absolutely necessary to continued life, while in the case of man, the progress of civilization depends on the increasing substitution of mutual aid for mutual enmity. "Each for all and all for each" is the only principle on which a community can prosper.
  
  The Era of Unity
  
  
  
  All the signs of the times indicate that we are at the dawn of a new era in the history of mankind. Hitherto the young eagle of humanity has clung to the old aerie in the solid rock of selfishness and materialism. Its attempts to use its wings have been timid and tentative. It has had restless longings for something still unattained. More and more it has been chafing in the confinement of the old dogmas and orthodoxies. But now the era of confinement is at an end, and it can launch on the wings of faith and reason into the higher realms of spiritual love and truth. It will no longer be earthbound as it was before its wings had grown, but will soar at will to the regions of wide outlook and glorious freedom. One thing is necessary, however, if its flight is to be sure and steady. Its wings must not only be strong, but they must act in perfect harmony and coordination. As Abdu'l-Baha says: -- "It cannot fly with one wing alone. If it tries to fly with the wing of religion alone it will land in the slough of superstition, and if it tries to fly with the wing of science alone it will end in the dreary bog of materialism."
  
  Perfect harmony between religion and science is the sine qua non of the higher life for humanity. When that is achieved, and every child is trained not only in the study of the sciences, and arts, but equally in love to all mankind and in radiant acquiescence to the Will of God as revealed in the progress of evolution and the teachings of the Prophets, then and not till then, shall the Kingdom of God come and His Will be done on earth as it is in Heaven; then and not till then shall the Most Great Peace shed its blessings on the world.
  
  
  "When religion," says Abdu'l-Baha, "shorn of its superstitions, traditions and unintelligent dogmas, shows its conformity with science, then there will be a great unifying, cleansing force in the world, which will sweep before it all wars, disagreements, discords and struggles, and then will mankind be united in the power of the love of God."
  
  
  
  
  
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