Topic started by Balasaheb Deshmukh (@ 61.11.18.38) on Sun Dec 22 06:42:02 .
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Bharat, India, Hindustan

The oldest name of our country was Ajnabhvarsh or Nabhivarsh named after Nabhiraj, the father of Rishabh the first Jain Tirthankar. Then it was named Rishabhvarsh after Rishabh and at last Bharatvarsh, which was named after Bharat, the fisrt Chakrvarti and the eldest son of Rishabh. All these facts are confirmed by Bhagwat Puran and many other Hindu puranic literature. This name is accepted by constitution of India and used everywhere officially and unofficially by everybody except some Hindutwavadis who love to say Hindustan to this country.

The name Hindustan for our country was used by Arabs, Persians, Turks, Afghans (i.e. ‘Muslims’ in views of Hindutwawadis). I don’t know why the Hindutwwadis like to use the words Hindu and Hindustan which are given by those people who are enemies for them? These two word are pure ‘Muslim’ words and their meanings are not prideful. In Arabic and Persian languages the meaning of Hindu is Slave, Thief, A black spot on chick of the lover. The word Hindustan means the country of Hindus. So only slaves can be prideful of such words given by invaders.

Here I would like to say the words Jin, Jain and Bharat are pure desi and very good in their meanings. Jin is conquerer of self, Jain is his follower and Bharat was the greatest chakravarti.

We should know that there is a conspiracy behind calling Hindustan to this country. They don’t want a Jain name for this country. They tried to show that this country was named after the Bharat, the son of Shakuntala and another Bharat, brother of Ram but they couldn’t prove it. They found that he was the son of Rishabh the first Jain tirthankar in their own literature. So now they are trying to change the name of this country. But it is never possible.

India is the another name given by invaders. Why should we use it? We have changed Bombay, Madras. Calcutta to their original names. Then why not to change India to Bharat?

Balasaheb Deshmukh

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• From: evano_oruvan (@ 203.199.216.43) on: Wed Dec 10 08:14:26 EST 2003
  
  I think this idiot MMC must b fantasizin vedas and epics or writin his own.
  either he's a schizophreniac or a fundamentalist. in both the cases he badly needs to consult a psychiatrist.
  
  
• From: Gogiya (@ palo5.pacific.net.sg) on: Mon Dec 15 20:46:03 EST 2003
  
  Caste System itself devil in significance.
  It already destroyed India’s glory.
  People are running to other faith is a significance of the Caste system.
  All caste should learn all basic things of life. It is Dharma.
  Other ‘upper caste’ should not feel very proud or nothing to feel proud in their caste system. Actually you are behaving against dharma!
  
  
• From: Star (@ dial0-060.dialin.uic.edu) on: Tue Dec 16 00:35:34 EST 2003
  
  Hahaha, what a bloody idiot this porno Thevar FAKE mmc is. I got the following from his own link.
  
  
  "When Ravana is carrying a curse on his head, that makes his head/heads to be splintered, if he lustfully touches any woman, against her will..."
  
  http://www.valmikiramayan.net/aranya/sarga49/aranya_49_frame.htm
  
  
  So unless porno Thevar FAKE mmc can explain why the story doesn't end at 49, it is clear Ravanna never raped Sita.
  
  
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ cpc1-nfds4-3-0-cust212.nott.cable.ntl.com) on: Thu Dec 25 18:44:17 EST 2003
  
  At the advent of Globalisation, essentially dominated by the Western world and lead by the US, and the consequential upsurge of the global terrorism, mainly lead by the Islamic world, Hinduism is facing a frightening and unprecedented dual threat, both from the dominance of Christianity and the fanaticism of Islam.
  
  Unfortunately, neither the Christian West nor the irrational, ignorant and fanatic Islamic world can be blamed for the appalling situation, it can only be blamed to the imbecility of the Indian people themselves, mainly of those Indians who consider themselves as the “Guardians” of Hinduism.
  
  The ultimate fate of Hinduism rests entirely on the ability of Indian intellectuals to see and judge the extent of danger and their cerebral endowment to grasp all the essentials in handling the threatening and austere situations that the Indians civilisation faces.
  
  The Indian government, bureaucrats, intellectuals and all those who are actively involved in shaping and moulding the future of Indian society, must urgently recognise the exigency of the demands of the time and implement the course of drastic actions in order to establishing the much needed reassurance among the Indian masses, including the least privileged ones.
  
  To save Hinduism, which essentially is the foundation of the whole Indian civilisation, the most urgent and key step is to bring the immediate and permanent end to the caste system, which has heedlessly segregated the Indian society into many social strata for many millennia. Along with many evils, the caste system finds its roots in the religion itself and thus, it points its finger to the religion itself as the culprit of all the Indian failures and resulting into a long Indian destitution. Therefore, it must be unreservedly realised by all Indians that the faith itself needs revolutionary reforms on an urgent basis in order to appropriately deal with the unprecedented crisis that it faces.
  
  The second most important factor in reassuring the Indian masses is the long overdue deliverance of the constitutional right and means to each and every individual, of education, of opportunity to prosper and ensure their own well being, and of social security.
  
  Finally, the litmus test for the most haunting questions of all, are the so-called “The Guardians” of the “Hinduism” intellectually endowed to ensure the deliverance of the long overdue reassurances to the Indian masses in time, before it really becomes too late and Hinduism is, either doomed or subordinated forever?
  
  Serious questions require serious answers.
  
  
• From: StonedHindu (@ ) on: Sat Apr 10 00:23:11
  
  Hinduism is a concept based on science. Its literature usually has a literal and implied interpretation. For example, the phrase " We will all return to sand one day". This phrase is quite well known to Hindus and the simplest interpretation to it is that "we will all die one day".
  
  Some Hindus,especially those with traditional Indian background say "we will all return to sand one day" to indicate that we may be the greatest person on earth but we will have to leave everything behind when we die. So, don't be arrogant. This is a philosophical approach.
  
  Everything in this universe is made of atoms. It is the different combination of these atoms which make up objects like table, air, car, person ect. This is confirmed by western science. Every object has a lifespan. When the lifespan ends, the objects disintergrates. We cant see it anymore. But in actual fact, the minute disintergrated particles breaks up into its basic form of individual atoms and mixes with the atmosphere. Finally it settles unto the earth(sand). Hence, the phrase "we all go to sand one day" takes its scientific approach. Why I call it scientific approach is because I may be wrong in interpreting its scientific meaning.
  
  I can even use the 'phrase' very effectively in this situation. Let's say I'm stranded on a deserted island with my sister. Out of desperation or maybe after a long time, I just might be able to convince my sister that we may as well have sex as "we will all go to the sand one day". My success depends on the level of frustration and depression my sister is feeling at that time. Sounds sick doesn't it? But why aren't we suprised at the atrocities committed by some people nowadays. We know that man can go to the limits of immorality if necessary or just for fun or at times even under compulsion.
  
  What I'm trying to say is that Hinduism is like that. It encourages exploration of oneself. At the same time, the literature Hinduism is based upon are the past experiences of certain objects or events known to the authors or a series of authors. The literature is meant to save us time. We cannot know everything in one lifetime. So, we read about certain things, we experience other things. There are no rules to its interpretation. Moral interpretation or immorral interpretation, it does not matter. It is the lesson learnt and the realization achieved. That is why Hinduism and its culture is also known for its sex gurus and kama sutra. Nothing dirty to it. Its an experience.
  
  Sita's role in Ramayana can be interpreted to represent the principles of a Goddess, a mother,a sister,a sister-in-law, a friend, a daugther, royalty ect.
  
  Sita can be seen as a form of lust- in the eyes of Ravana, or in the form of love- in the heart of Ravana. Would Ravana force Sita to be tested with fire?
  
  Ram did not object at the time Sita agreed to be tested with fire. I mean like, Rama can say a thousand things like, "Oh Sita, I wanted you to prove your purity not for me but just to shut the world up, I swear" privately in her ears, before the burning ceremony. I still think that any man..including Rama will have a secret feeling that Ravana just may have tasted Sita, at least a little bit. Would the guys agree?
  
  However, although Hindus are intelectually and emotionally capable decision makers, they are not encouraged to think in a "Sigmund Freud" way especially pertaining to the Ramayana. The Kamasutra is acceptable as an exception.
  
  However,philosophically speaking, There are no rules of towards the interpretation on hindu texts. Its how you look at it on a personal level...on any subject which hinduism advocates.
  
  Hinduism will always grow. The interpretation of its texts will also grow. On the contrary if it ends, its okay. Because everything has a lifespan. It must end. But it will be born again or a different form. A cycle. A circle.
  
  Hinduism- It has a good meaning and a bad meaning in equal parts. Check and balance. Yin & Yang. Consider both, experience it. Its all in your mind. Your mind.
  
  
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