Topic started by vetri (@ ac9e92f3.ipt.aol.com) on Tue Oct 15 23:14:48 .
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Thamilza,

You stood top in donating Gujarath earth-quake relief fund. You were the top donor for Kargil relief fund. You proved you are the most non-fantic group(though labelled as one by others) by electing non-Tamils on top positions. Numerous occations you proved that you are true Indian by not retaliating against the other linguistic groups. You raised your voice and concerns to Gujarathis,Sikhs,and all other Indians when they suffered. Are these other people are coming to your defense now? Does any Marathi,Bengali or whoever feels they are Indian raise their voice against Karnataka for this total injustice to you?

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• From: AAA (@ 210.195.0.181) on: Wed Oct 16 03:20:19
  
  RSS slams Karnataka govt on Cauvery issue
  
  The RSS has slammed the Karnataka government for defying the apex court order on release of Cauvery waters to Tamil Nadu.
  
  Senior RSS leader M G Vaidya has wondered whether Karnataka would have taken a similar stand had there been a Congress-led government in Tamil Nadu or if Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa had not raised the issue of foreign origin of AICC president Sonia Gandhi.
  
  In an article in RSS mouthpiece "Panchjanya", he said there is already a system in place for resolution of inter-state disputes through the apex Court.
  
  He said the Congress has been insisting that the court verdict on the issue of birth place of Lord Rama should be acceptable to all but then why the apex court direction in the water dispute was not being accepted.
  
  Is it the Congress case the court verdict was worth accepting only on the temple issue and not on the cases like those of Shahbano and the Cauvery water dispute, he asked.
  
  The river water, he said is a national property and the direction of apex court must be accepted by all concerned, although those feeling hurt could seek a review.
  
  http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?gid=273&id=90698
  
  
  
• From: AAA (@ 210.195.0.181) on: Wed Oct 16 03:28:11
  
  Pawar criticises Krishna on Cauvery issue
  
  VADODARA, OCT 6
  
  NCP president Sharad Pawar today charged Karnataka Chief Minister S M Krishna with "trying to create constitutional crisis" by not obeying the order of Supreme Court on the Cauvery water issue.
  
  "It (Krishna's stand) can lead to invoking of article 356 for imposition of President's rule in that state," Pawar told newspersons here.
  
  He hoped that the central leadership of Congress would find out some amicable solution to the problem.
  
  Water is becoming grave issue and in absence of proper water distribution policy, it can create various hassles which would not be in the national interest, the NCP president said.
  
  http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=88745
  
  
  
• From: Milton (@ solar-gw.zapsurf.com.sg) on: Wed Oct 16 04:51:54
  
  AAA,
  Thanks.
  
  
• From: AAA (@ 210.195.0.10) on: Wed Oct 16 13:17:44
  
  BJP slams Karna for not abiding by SC directive on Cauvery issue
  
  NEW DELHI, OCT 8
  
  The BJP today attacked Karnataka Chief Minister S M Krishna for not abiding by the Supreme Court's directive on release of Cauvery Water to Tamil Nadu saying it was tantamount to challenging the judiciary but declined to comment on Tamil Nadu's demand for his dismissal on the issue.
  
  "Krishna has a constitutional responsibility to carry out the court order but instead of abiding by its directive, he has launched a campaign," BJP General Secretary and Spokesman Mukhtar Abbas Naqvi told reporters here.
  
  Asked to comment on Tamil Nadu Chief Minister Jayalalithaa's demand for dismissal of the Karnataka Government and imposition of President's Rule in the state for defying the Supreme Court's directive, he said the party was studying the legal aspects of the demand before commenting.
  
  http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=89328
  
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  Chautala urges Karnataka to release Cauvery water to TN
  
  CHANDIGARH, OCT 6
  
  Haryana Chief Minister Om Prakash Chautala today asked Karnataka government to immediately release Cauvery water to Tamil Nadu honouring the decision of the Supreme Court.
  
  "Karnataka should immediately release 9000 cusecs of water to Tamil Nadu and comply with the apex court's order," he said referring to the ongoing tussle over release of water between the two states.
  
  http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=88852
  
  
  
• From: darshan (@ 61.1.113.6) on: Fri Oct 18 03:05:32
  
  the two states should be whipped on their bums to make them follow law and order.these southies talk a lot about their education,civilness but when it comes to water they fight like women on munipal tap
  
  
• From: AlwaysRight (@ proxy.samart.co.th) on: Fri Oct 18 04:22:44
  
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• From: Harold Hines (@ 61.0.188.163) on: Sat Nov 2 07:55:23
  
  I would like to know what (if any thing) has been done by the Governments of Tamilnadu and/or Karnatak to build irrigation systems, rain water harvesting systems etc. in their states. Probably only one tenth of the money spent on the dispute, to motivate and assist the common people to build check dams, ponds, rain water harvesting systems would have solved the problems long back.
  
  
• From: Pardesi Naiyeh (@ 12-235-124-134.client.attbi.com) on: Sat Nov 2 17:00:00
  
  Grudgingly I agree with vetri. tamils will always be on their own when it comes to matters concerning them. Not one non-tamil "indian" cares what happens down here in the land of Ravana. Do they care about tamil fishermen getting shot at by the sri lankan navy? No. Did they care when tamils were killed in karnataka? No. You think an average Sikh from Punjab will care about a "salla madrasi"? Wake up to the facts people.
  
  
• From: Pardesi Naiyeh (@ 12-235-124-134.client.attbi.com) on: Sat Nov 2 17:01:16
  
  The RSS and VHP are hindutvadis and south indians to them are low caste shudras. I would take their "concern" with a grain of salt.
  
  
• From: Karimaaran (@ cs6625192-211.austin.rr.com) on: Mon Nov 4 09:13:15
  
  >>cares what happens down here in the land of Ravana<<
  
  It is bufoons like you whom others, even other Tamizhs do not care about. This is not the land of Ravana, but the land of Bharathiyar, Thiruvalluvar and Kambar
  
  
• From: vAssan (@ cas01.albqrq01.nm.comcast.net) on: Mon Nov 4 10:57:25
  
  
  Harold Wrote:
  
  From: Harold Hines (@ 61.0.188.163) on: Sat Nov 2 07:55:23
  
  I would like to know what (if any thing) has been done by the Governments of Tamilnadu and/or Karnatak to build irrigation systems, rain water harvesting systems etc. in their states. Probably only one tenth of the money spent on the dispute, to motivate and assist the common people to build check dams, ponds, rain water harvesting systems would have solved the problems long back
  
  Harold:
  
  http://www.nationalwaterways.com/cost.html
  
  
• From: vAssan (@ cas01.albqrq01.nm.comcast.net) on: Mon Nov 4 10:59:49
  
  
  Start from here first
  
  
  http://www.nationalwaterways.com
  
  
• From: Pardesi Naiyeh (@ 12-235-124-134.client.attbi.com) on: Mon Nov 4 16:28:23
  
  Hi Karimaran, no need to get personal. I was implying that to an average northerner, the south is the land of ravana. Nobody in the north knows who thiruvalluvar is. I know thamizhs like you don't care about thamizhs like me. Thamizhs are a very divided race. They are not united.
  
  There is a saying in India, a bengali will speak in his language to another bengali, a gujarati will speak in his language to another gujarati, but a tamil will speak in english to another tamilian.
  
  Let's not have any false notions about what the general feeling towards south indians are up north. Southies are always expendable and northies have showed it time and again. They are only interested in using south indians and stealing the resources of the south.
  
  
• From: what (@ cpe-203-51-175-77.vic.bigpond.net.au) on: Sat Oct 16 22:17:52
  
  Really?
  Cos the south is walloping the north's behind economically?
  
  
• From: Sandeep (@ inet02.unilever.com) on: Mon Oct 18 16:27:36 EDT 2004
  
  So we where talking about Cauvery dispute between Tamil Nadu and Karnataka.
  
  Its a very contensious issue. I can understand why Karnataka farmers want a stop to water flow to Tamil Nadu during summer. I can also understand why Tamil Nadu farmers want water in summer. There is no sence in taking sides. Its difficult for any other state to take sides in a dispute between two other Indian states.
  
  Irrigation projects, rain water cultivation are the only solutions to this problem.
  
  
• From: Surya (@ cache-ntc-ad02.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Oct 18 21:58:44 EDT 2004
  
  Its a very tough situation, We can't just do something drastic like what bharathiraja wanted to do a few years ago, (cutting off power from Neveli) because that would spell danger to tamils in Karnataka. And also, all kinds of protests, like Unnaviratham, Rail Mariyal, etc etc, doesn't seem to work because the politicians who do them do it just before election times, or to play politics, so the issue dies after a while. So unless there is a dedicat4d politician who will not stop until Tamilzhagam gets water, this issue is never going to be solved.
  
  
• From: Sandeep (@ inet02.unilever.com) on: Tue Oct 19 11:13:24 EDT 2004
  
  I agree with Surya. States need each other for various reasons. There will issues where we dont agree but that doesnt mean we should fight like enemies.
  
  Let me give an example of a small water dispute between Kerala and Tamil Nadu. Election was close and some politician made a issue of this. Soon a decision was made that vegetables will not be send to Kerala. A couple of days vegetable prices sky rocketed in Kerala has most some from TN. Keralites reduced vegetable purchace for a week or so before the ban was unilaterally lifted by TN though non of the demands where met.
  
  Why the ban was lifted because Tons of vegetable where rotting in TN and the TN farmers where loosing money. Its always give and take. Disputes have to be resolved without effecting other things which are going on fine.
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-14.singnet.com.sg) on: Tue Oct 19 11:43:41 EDT 2004
  
  I think only politicians gain from such dipute ploys, when they are seem to be hand in glove even if they are from different parties. Finally only the common man suffers. The bottomline for karnataka ihas always bn how to give water at times when there is no water to suffice ourselves. Nobody should be made a scapegoat when the raingods are displeased with TN for so long.
  
  What do you think of the Veerappan episode? He was shot dead today. That shd b gd news 4 both kannadigas and tamils for having gotten rid of someone who committed 120 murders, killed 2000 elephants and felled trees of 88,000 lbs sandalwood.
  
  
• From: Sandeep (@ inet02.unilever.com) on: Tue Oct 19 13:15:22 EDT 2004
  
  The news came to us at around 3 in the evening on Monday (1 am tuesday in India). Without any notification all Indians in our office(10 in number) met in the Canteen. Everyone was really happy and just wanted to share the moment. Justice came slow but it did come.
  
  
• From: Surya (@ ns1.rocklin.k12.ca.us) on: Wed Oct 20 15:35:24 EDT 2004
  
  On the Veerappan Issue, I always knew that they would never chatch him alive and seep him in court. Because there were too many ties between politicians and Veerappan. If they had caught him alive, then the politicians go down with Veerappan. So it was not a big shock that they killed him, and not arresting him alive.
  
  
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