Topic started by Abdullah (@ cache2-2.ruh.isu.net.sa) on Mon Apr 22 06:40:36 .
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I found some comments from Pakistan about the unlucky communal riot in Gujarat.I am a Muslim from Kerala, working outside India for a decade.
Muslim people are living harmoniously in India.Some Hindus are hating us. But they are minority in India. We beleive that their minds will be changed.
Our country's basis of constitution are The Secularism and minority protection. Hindu militancy will not grow in India.
Indian Muslim leadership can solve our problems. At the same time we are also the part of Muslim World.
But Pakistanis are not good people. Pakistanis have to care about their improvement, not ours, Islamically and materially. Why Pakistanis consider migrated people from India as Mohajirs?

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• From: Karthik-I (@ somehost.affinity.com) on: Mon May 6 13:35:01
  
  Aah. The previous post looks like yet another dumb flame bait. Lets jst ignore it.
  
  Karthik-I
  
  
• From: Karthik-I (@ somehost.affinity.com) on: Mon May 6 13:39:47
  
  >>wow I did not know you had a psuedo succesionist attitude!!!! lol <<
  Pseudo?? I am not sure I get your point. If TN becomes an independent nation I will support it. But, I will not push for that cause since I am not willing to sacrifice my life or my future kid's lives for it. It is not fair for me to tell others to get themselves killed while I enjoy me life here in US. I just mentioned that bias I have to make a point.
  
  >>Hey karthik are we going back to the begining fo the discussion again????????? ;-)<<
  I am not sure :). The guy says I am preaching hatred so I just tried to refute him. No posts from him so probably has nothing to say now or just may have lost interest in whatever people have to say here.
  
  
• From: Ashok (@ nat-52.laurelnetworks.com) on: Mon May 6 13:55:03
  
  Karthik,
  Yup lets ignore that, post. Unfortunately these are the type of guys sittingin gujarat!
  
  >>Pseudo?? I am not sure I get your point. If TN becomes an independent nation I will support it. But, I will not push for that cause since I am not willing to sacrifice my life or my future kid's lives for it. It is not fair for me to tell others to get themselves killed while I enjoy me life here in US. I just mentioned that bias I have to make a point. <<
  
  Ok honest question if TN now had a "freedom struggle" like Ealam would you send money for that cause. Well I dont want to say suicide bombings and such lets say a "freedom struggle" such as Gandhi's?
  
  I would not I would send more money to India to shut it down. Thats what I meant by psuedo. Becuase if you were a succesionist you would have taken part in the freedom struggle.
  
  
• From: Karthik-I (@ somehost.affinity.com) on: Mon May 6 14:18:12
  
  Ashok,
  Yes, I would send $ to TN for any struggle against any external enemy. I never lived for more than 3 months outside TN (mostly in Chennai & Tirunelveli) so for all intents and purposes TN is my only home & I will not in my right mind send $ to destroy my own home.
  
  Why would you send $ to India to "shut it down"? Is it important to you to destroy someone's home as the expense of keeping the country united? It will only create another Kashmir problem - remember the Kashmir issue today is cuz of a combination of dumb political games from New Delhi, misguided people in Kashmir Valley, and Pakistani interference.
  
  Karthik-I
  
  
• From: Ashok (@ nat-52.laurelnetworks.com) on: Mon May 6 14:39:36
  
  Karthik,
  I would shut it down so that it doesnt get to a point where it becomes another kashmir. What do you mean by external enemy. DO you consider india to be an external enemy, at what point does a country become an external enemy in your definition. At this point there are plenty of people who think that India is imposing on TN. Now I do not think that is the case, and if today you had a freedom struggle, are you telling me that you would support it? I would not, if tomorrow india starts to do what the british did with India then maybe. TOday if you are using state money to help bihar and MP I think it is a good thing the strong states should support the weak ones so that as a country we will grow. The freaks in TN think that this is a bad thing. I am from Karnataka, I love karnataka however even if tomorrow there is a so called "freedom struggle" in Karnataka I would not support it. just like today I will not support a kashmiri freedom struggle, it is the same thing regardless of which state in India. Political games by ND, was necessary as a rebuttal to the pakistani interference. If there was a referendum in the initial days Kashmir would have been in India today, but Pakistan never moved out of their occupied terrority as the US resolution stated. WEll that is a completely different problem.
  
  By the statement "put it down", it could mean various things, obviosly if it was peaceful struggle I would not want india to kill those people. However if it was a terrorist struggle as in case of LTTE I think India would be fully justified in kicking the living SH*T out of any terrorist out there.
  
  
• From: Ashok (@ nat-52.laurelnetworks.com) on: Mon May 6 14:45:32
  
  oops UN resolution!! I guess it is the same as a US resolution though. lol!
  
  By the way I dont think you are spewing hate, so dont worry about the other guy. Sometimes we all get rattled up.....
  
  
• From: Karthik-I (@ somehost.affinity.com) on: Mon May 6 14:49:20
  
  Ashok,
  Obviously TN is not as bad off as Kashmir. There are "struggles" just jokers like Dravidistan and what not. They will always exist (and I am not gonna waste my $ on them). If a far more serious situation arose which made Tamils feel too oppressed I would support them. An external person for me is any person who is not from TN (if they just grew up in TN they still imbibe the TN culture same as Indian kids who grow up in US and are Americans). At present there is almost no imposition going on so this point is moot. I am first a Tamil and second an Indian thats my primary identity and lets not argue about this (it is going nowhere discussing possible scenarios which may not even happen). Btw I follow the Indian cricket team, cheer for them and so on. But I also tend to watch mostly Tamil movies (the few which are good) and avoid Hindi movies (I get bored w/them & plus I get turned off by the way they show southners in their movies).
  
  
• From: Karthik-I (@ somehost.affinity.com) on: Mon May 6 14:54:28
  
  >>Political games by ND, was necessary as a rebuttal to the pakistani interference.<<
  I can't believe you are saying this! So, deceiving/murdering your own population is a good answer to outside interference?? My gawd man wake up! In 1965 Kashmiris while feeling unsatisfied w/India turned in all Paki spies & since then it has jst become worse. will they do the same thing now?? I believe India was weak before not to get back the Northern Areas (Baltistan and such) from Pakistan & cutting off Pakistan from China. Can u imagine any other state just letting it go like that and see how the loss of that land has put us in this position?
  
  
• From: Ashok (@ nat-52.laurelnetworks.com) on: Mon May 6 15:14:02
  
  Oh man by political games I meant, not implementing the referundum and not the killing of people. I am strongly against that, and I know at times india has done it. Well also at the same time I think "India" (in terms of politicians, but I do not blame india for this) have also done a very similar thing in Gujarat, do I think thats bad, yes! but at the same time I do not feel that India can give independence to kashmir. Thats all I am saying. Geez man I think we both take eachothers comments to the extremes!!!! :-)
  
  ANyways regarding TN I was just wondering waht you felt was worth the term "destroying my home". I guess my definition of "destroying my home" is a lot la than yours. Because I could consider the Imposition of the quota system as an instance of "destroying my home" and fund the seperatist attitudes of brahmins (if there were any). I just wanted to know your definition. Because you mentioned earlier that you would be in full support of a free TN, what did you mean by that? Are you in support of it right now? There are so many things that every person might disagee with the indian institutional system but the point is that nothing can be perfect, somebody or the other is always going to be dissatisfied! so at what point is your dissatisfaction thats what I was asking. At what point do you feel that you would be justified in funding seperatists?
  
  
• From: Karthik-I (@ somehost.affinity.com) on: Thu May 9 14:42:54
  
  http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/may/09akd.htm
  
  A very good article which rings true. But I doubt what the writer is proposing is gonna happen anytime soon.
  
  
• From: Ashok (@ nat-52.laurelnetworks.com) on: Thu May 9 16:11:41
  
  Thanks for the article
  
  I agree with the article almost completely!
  
  
• From: Karthik-I (@ somehost.affinity.com) on: Thu May 9 17:37:38
  
  almost??? whats the catch? :)
  
  
• From: Ashok (@ nat-52.laurelnetworks.com) on: Thu May 9 17:43:46
  
  hahahahaha,
  well the catch is in that killing the cows that roam the streets is really not going increase the amount consumable food in India. The meat that any person eats has to be from healthy animals. So realistically whether the cows roam the street or not it is not going to feed the hungry. Besides I have a huge problem killing any animal fopr the reason "there are too many roaming the streets". WOw if only we could extend that to humans..... (kidding!). That was my only contention!
  
  
• From: Karthik-I (@ somehost.affinity.com) on: Thu May 9 18:05:16
  
  But lifting the ban on them is a good idea. Why favor Hindus in this case? Its not secular at all he has a valid point. We could just tell whoever wants to just take it and do whatever with it. That will alievate the congestion. I am eat meat a lot so I probably won't get your feeling for the animals so lets leave it at that then.
  
  
• From: Ashok (@ nat-52.laurelnetworks.com) on: Thu May 9 18:33:13
  
  Yup thats why I did not get into it earlier! :-) I am a pure vegetarian (not even eggs), therefore my sentiments for animals.
  
  
  >>whoever wants to just take it and do whatever with it<<
  
  With no governmental control? man that would lead to abuse, worse than killing is torture. even if "roaming cows" can be killed I think it should be controlled by the government. ie animal shelters/mercy killing (I dont agree with this one but its better than giving the people freedom to do anything with the cow).
  
  
• From: aman (@ dialpool-210-214-210-202.maa.sify.net) on: Thu Jul 11 02:39:26
  
  dravida naygala
  
  

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