Topic started by Rajaraman (@ 210.24.206.2) on Sun Aug 9 05:33:13 .
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By rare ragas I mean seldom used ragas like soorya, rasikapriya and other ragas like
Poornashadjam that are generally known only
through famous compositions.

First of all, why are these ragas "rare"? I'm
interested in a list compositions based on
such rare ragas and references to rendering of
these ragas.

Responses:

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• From: Nadopasaka (@ aippp33.buffnet.net) on: Thu Jun 1 15:19:49 EDT 2000
  
  Oops that should be 'Shat' ragamalika as in 6 raagas.
  
  
• From: Ramaprasad (@ 204.154.176.49) on: Thu Jun 1 15:35:54 EDT 2000
  
  Do you mean 'excluding' nArayaNi ?
  
  
  - Ramaprasad K V
  
  
• From: Nadopasaka (@ aippp33.buffnet.net) on: Thu Jun 1 15:48:24 EDT 2000
  
  KVR, I think you were right the first time with the 6 raagas you mentioned.(PCh, suVas, Nary, sarMan, Hamsdhwani, Nagadhwani ) Unless the ragamalikas are also slowly evolving like the ragas.
  
  
• From: Ramaprasad K V (@ 204.154.176.49) on: Thu Jun 1 15:53:14 EDT 2000
  
  Ooops ! Wrong counting ! I thought there were 7
  ragas in my list and thought there were to be 8 !
  
  -Ramaprasad K V
  
  
• From: Nadopasaka (@ abppp42.buffnet.net) on: Tue Jun 13 12:21:30 EDT 2000
  
  This may not be a rare raga but a rare kriti. Is the MD mantra kriti ShriRajarajeswari in Madhyamavati performed , if not often, maybe evry so often ? It should be noted that the word Hayagriva seems to appear only once in the MD krities (in the Madhyamavati section of one of the MD ragamalikas).
  
  
• From: Shyam (@ nandi2.lsa.berkeley.edu) on: Tue Jun 13 19:25:14 EDT 2000
  
  I hear Ilayaraja has some good compositions in rare ragas. Does anyone know about this? I found it on a web site or something. I cant remember really which one.
  
  
• From: Shyam (@ nandi2.lsa.berkeley.edu) on: Tue Jun 13 19:25:31 EDT 2000
  
  I hear Ilayaraja has some good carnatic compositions in rare ragas. Does anyone know about this? I found it on a web site or something. I cant remember really which one.
  
  
• From: Lakshman (@ ppp2561.on.bellglobal.com) on: Tue Jun 13 20:55:37 EDT 2000
  
  Shyam:
  Ilayaraja has a number of film songs using classical ragas. I have a list of them and will post some rare raga song later.
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Wed Jun 14 04:12:22 EDT 2000
  
  For ragas in tamil film songs: http://tfmpage.com/forum/ros.html
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ s04.austin.ibm.com) on: Wed Jun 14 09:07:45 EDT 2000
  
  Several months ago I read some nice articles on illayaraja's classicism. They were really interesting, before that i never thought IR had so much in him. link: http://www.tfmpage.com/ci/
  
  
  
• From: suhas (@ 203.197.54.133) on: Wed Jun 14 09:52:14 EDT 2000
  
  
  
  I read in the Sleeve notes of a casette by Doraiswamy Iyengar about a Raga called Kaikavasi.The cassette mentioned that this was probably the rarest of ragas and that a certain compositon of Tyagaraja was probably the only one in this raga.(I forget the name ).
  Can somebody provide me with the Aro-avo and also the name of the song.Also can Laxman please look into his Data Base and find out if he has other compositions listed in this Raga
  
  Thanks.
  
  
• From: Lakshman (@ hse-kit-ppp38780.sympatico.ca) on: Wed Jun 14 10:48:16 EDT 2000
  
  Suhas:
  The scale of Kaikavashi (mela 60) is:
  S R G M P D N S; S N P M G R S
  The songs are:
  Are pankajasana (Gitam)-Triputa-Govindacharya
  Vachama gocharame-Adi-Tyagaraja
  Varalakshmi varaha-Bangalore S.Mukund
  Yaral sholla mudiyum-Adi-Abraham Panditar
  
  
• From: Lakshman (@ ppp2597.on.bellglobal.com) on: Wed Jun 14 11:00:50 EDT 2000
  
  Shyam:
  Here are the songs of Ilayaraja in rare ragas.
  
  sangili karuppan-Vakulabharana
  cinna cinna rattinamE-Saindhavi
  ponnil vAnam -Karnatakakhamas
  dEvatai vandAL-Samudrapriya
  sindiya veNmaNi-Shrotasvini
  kunkumam manjaLukku-Ratnakanti
  jODi nadigaL-Katyayani
  shrI shiva suta-Rukmambari
  amudE tamizE-Rasikaranjani
  ishai arasi ennALum-Sallapam
  nenjE gurunAthanin-Natakapriya
  kamalam pAda kamalam-Natakapriya
  nanmai nalgum-Chandrajyoti
  mauna rAgam-Lavantipriya
  tAyE mUkAmbikE-Vasantashri and Dattri
  pArta vizhi-Pavani
  
  
• From: Ravi Kiran (@ 202.144.29.21) on: Wed Jun 14 14:02:31 EDT 2000
  
  i rememebr sudha raghunathan mentioning in a lecture-demonstration about a particular film song supposedly set to tune in lathangi.
  when she asked what she felt about it, she said that yes, the tune is based on the lathangi scale but that she doesn't see any lathangi in it.
  this is just an anecdote which i recollected in this context. it is not meant to show any composer in poor light.
  
  
• From: Ravi Kiran (@ 202.144.29.21) on: Wed Jun 14 14:04:43 EDT 2000
  
  sorry about the typos in the above post.
  read the third line as:
  "when asked what she felt about it..."
  
  
• From: Nadopasaka (@ akppp27.buffnet.net) on: Wed Jun 14 16:50:20 EDT 2000
  
  Do Ilayarajas songs also follow the Pallavi, anupallavi etc. format ?. Sudha maybe should have heard it on celluloid, where the cavorting actors may have brought out any otherwise missing features. In this context I have heard a Bhadrachala Ramdas kriti which uses the sounds Ho-ho-ho-ho in PahiMamaSriRama. It was quite OK, may even be original ( although BMK was involved ) but other gasping, panting and labored breathing under various physical conditions can be particularly repugnant.
  
  
• From: RR (@ proxy.krdl.org.sg) on: Wed Jun 14 22:42:23 EDT 2000
  
  Lakshman: a small error, maybe a typo. 'kamalam paadha kamalam' is in Ramapriya.
  
  Ravikiran: I think the latangi SR referred to is 'chinna raasaave' which was tuned for a low-class street dance. Ilayaraja has done this for Chakravagam and others too.
  
  
• From: Nadopasaka (@ adppp46.buffnet.net) on: Thu Jun 15 23:22:56 EDT 2000
  
  Lakshman, what is Shrotasvini ? How many krities are there in this ? Thanks
  
  
• From: Lakshman (@ ppp10289.on.bellglobal.com) on: Fri Jun 16 08:00:54 EDT 2000
  
  Nado:
  Shrotasvini is derived from mela 21 and uses the scale S G M P N S; S N P M G S. Apart from the Ilayaraja's song, there are two compositions by Bangalore S.Mukund- Shrotapriye and Kanna tanjam in this raga.
  
  
• From: Shyam (@ nandi2.lsa.berkeley.edu) on: Fri Jun 23 20:18:20 EDT 2000
  
  Are there many compositions in Naarayana goulai other than Kadale vaadu by Thyagarajar?
  (Thanks in advance Lakshman:))
  
  
• From: Ramanathan (@ tnt19a-217.focal-chi.corecomm.net) on: Fri Jun 23 21:05:14 EDT 2000
  
  MDR sings a Narayanagoula varnam, "Maguva". Also I've heard SSI sing "Sri Raamam" in the same raagam.
  
  
• From: Lakshman (@ ppp7776.on.bellglobal.com) on: Fri Jun 23 21:42:04 EDT 2000
  
  Shyam:
  I have 42 songs in Narayanagaula on my list.
  
  
• From: Ravi Kiran (@ 202.144.29.21) on: Sat Jun 24 13:24:15 EDT 2000
  
  shyam:
  i have a beautiful krithi by mysore sadaasiva rao sung by RKS in naraayanagoulai.
  i will dig it up and let u know more details some time soon....
  
  
• From: Lakshman (@ ppp7841.on.bellglobal.com) on: Sun Jun 25 08:18:40 EDT 2000
  
  The song is Shri ramana vijita madana devavara in C/Triputa tala.
  
  
• From: RR (@ netapps2.krdl.org.sg) on: Wed Oct 4 22:39:05
  
  revive
  
  
• From: Lakshman (@ kitchener-ppp111775.sympatico.ca) on: Thu Oct 5 10:33:09 EDT 2000
  
  Thanks RR
  
  
• From: Lakshman (@ hse-kitchener-ppp78624.sympatico.ca) on: Thu Oct 5 14:19:30 EDT 2000
  
  I would like to know if anyone can provide information on the books of Sundararaja Swamigal (Bharata Sangita svayabodhini),and T.A.Sambandamurti Achariar (Ragamalai or Ragaprastarangal. Thanks
  
  
• From: arun (@ ) on: Tue Mar 30 07:14:31
  
  what is the difference between hindusthani raag Jog and carnatic 72nd mela karta raag Chellanattai
  
  
• From: loshy (@ ) on: Sat Jun 26 08:55:27
  
  please, can anyone send me all the name of raagam in inidan every kind of music. sobna_7@hotmail.com
  
  
  
• From: Nishanth (@ mail.willettonshs.wa.edu.au) on: Thu Jul 1 20:54:30 EDT 2004
  
  Some other rare ragas to consider:
  Paalini - "Kapali Nee" (Sung by Nithyashri)
  Manirangu - "Mamava Patta" (Sung by DKP)
  Vaasanthi - "Mayil Meedhu" (Sung by Nithyashri)
  Kanthi - in a rtp by Nithyasri
  Manavathi - "Evaritho" (Sung by MLV)
  Surya - (sung by Nithyashri's Mother, Lalitha Sivakumar)
  And a few more, when they come back to me, there are quite a few.
  
  

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