Topic started by The eye-opener (@ 58-19-116-157.dial.tor1.sprint-canada.net) on Wed Jul 9 17:36:41 .
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We have seen many efforts to distort Indian and Tamil history and culture. Why? Lets first try to list some recent examples:

i)first claiming/trying to establish that Tamils and closely related to Africans
ii)certain countries of north Indian descent are in fact Tamil decendants from parts of India - eg.finding out Tamil names first, then claiming that such names are found in countries with noth indian descendants.
iii)after trying to establish that north indian desctamils, then further try to establish that they are westernised and hence bad.
iv)when certain factors and questions were raised,
supported by historic proof, you can see how efforts have been made to confuse the initial objectives eg. changing east indian descent to west indian descent.
v)Trying to claim that Hinduism, an older religion and one closer to the truth where the others came from, should not be held in higher esteem. Remember:
-a copy taken from the original, never have the same quality, especially when the use aims at a lower standard and slower pace


Indians, Tamils and Hindus should not just stand and let their culture and heritage be distorted and misued for the wrong ends. Hindus do not force people to convert - that shows the confidence of Hindus in Hindusim. Hindus are envied for their originality and those with nothing to lose will do what they to down hindus and the hinduism. They can't claim in this glory when they wnat to claim superiority and originality.

It is from Hinduism that all great things come. It is hinduism that gives all that is great. Every thing good that were said and done by others, were said and done by hindus before, even when assembled and built on by others for other purposes. We are indeed the initiator and originator of all good things and we ought to be proud and because we know what we know, we must therefore learn to ignore false challenges.

Responses:

• From: :) (@ d150-188-97.home.cgocable.net) on: Wed Jul 9 18:24:50 EDT 2003
  
  Hey Ormila,
  I never see a single positive post from you about anyone. How come? You complain about all the bad things people did to you in Leeds (?) and yet you have no qualms about dissing others. I wonder why.
  
  
• From: objective (@ 209.115.140.237) on: Thu Jul 10 14:07:26 EDT 2003
  
  
  You saw Ormila's other post in the other thread as below in quote:
  
  "is there a forum where Indians and Tamils who are hindus can go and discuss ?
  
  We do not want as always the case, for someone to uninvitedly come into our house and see what we eat then go out and spread what we eat and how much they dislike it. We will also be free to set the boundaries for mis-interpretations and mis-understandings and failure to see what we should see"
  
  It looks as if she is looking for a way to have positive discussions.
  
  
• From: objective (@ 209.115.140.237) on: Thu Jul 10 14:26:50 EDT 2003
  
  1. To add to what I just said, it seems like Ormila is also saying that not only they come to see what she eats, but why she eats it.
  
  2. She is also indicating that her privacy was invaded and she was punished for her religious views - what she eats and why she eats it.
  
  3. Another possibility-Ormila is labelled as an Afroid, tamil race for some reason
  
  4. What Ormila said was manipulated by others for bad use.
  
  5. If looked at carefully, it seems like Ormila’s points are valid if certain recent threads are reviewed - those about people of East Indian descent from Trinidad, Guyana and Fiji, Sundroid etc. I can see the kind of observations. Why not give her credit?
  
  6. If Ormila had certain problems before and she find that they relate to these threads - propaganda which has been growing(even setting up web-sites and referring to them) , she has a right to discuss it
  
  7. In questioning whether it is Ormila’s fault in Leeds, we first need to know what was the initial problem. If this was not it, then we have a problem. If Ormila can establish that this was not the initial problem, then what do you say?
  
  
  My view: Ormila should not worry about possible propagandas on FH verses what has been established as historic facts. I came across on FH, many others with religious views similar to that of Ormila. Ormila should not be attacked because she has a case known to Fhers. Ormila is not indifferent and subjective.
  
  
• From: :) (@ d150-188-97.home.cgocable.net) on: Thu Jul 10 15:23:57 EDT 2003
  
  Ok let me post this piece of advise posted by SC elsewhere. I think this is excellent information:
  
  From: SC (@ crc-cache1.jaring.my) on: Wed Jul 9 03:02:59 EDT 2003
  
  
  The 90/10 secret is incredible!
  
  Very few know and apply this secret. The result? Millions of people are suffering undeserved stress, trials, problems, and heartache.
  
  They never seem to be a success in life. Bad days follow bad days. Terrible things seem to be constantly happening. Theirs is constant stress, lack of joy, and broken relationships.
  
  Worry consumes time, anger breaks friendships, and life seems dreary and is not enjoyed to the
  fullest.. Friends are lost. Life is a bore and often seems cruel.
  
  Does this describe you? If so, do not be discouraged. You can be different!. Understand and apply the 90/10 secret. It will change your life!
  
  What is this secret?
  
  10% of life is made up of what happens to you.
  90% of life is decided by how you react.
  
  What does this mean?
  
  We really have no control over 10% of what happens to us.
  We cannot stop the car from breaking down. The plane may be late arriving, which throws our whole schedule off. A driver may cut us off in traffic.
  
  We have no control over this 10%.
  The other 90% is different.
  You determine the other 90%!
  
  How?
  By your reaction.
  
  You cannot control a red light, but you can control your reaction. Don't let people fool you, YOU can control how you react!
  
  Let's use an example. You're eating breakfast with your family. Your daughter knocks over a cup of coffee onto your business shirt. You have no control over what just happened. What happens next will be determined by how you react.
  You curse. You harshly scold your daughter for knocking the coffee cup over. She breaks down in tears.
  After scolding her, you turn to your spouse and criticize them for placing the cup to close to the edge of the table. A short verbal battle follows. You storm upstairs and change your shirt.
  Back downstairs you find your daughter has been to busy crying to finish breakfast and get ready for school. She misses the bus. Your spouse must leave immediately for work.
  You rush to the car and drive your daughter to school. Because you are late, you drive 40 miles an hour in a 30 mph speed limit. After a 15 minute delay and throwing $60 (traffic fine) away, you arrive at school. Your daughter runs to the building without saying good-bye.
  
  After arriving at the office 20 minutes late, you find you forgot your briefcase.
  Your day has started terrible.
  As it continues, it seems to get worse and worse.
  You look forward to going home. When you arrive home you find small wedge in your relationship with your spouse and daughter.
  Why? Because of how you reacted in the morning.
  
  Why did you have a bad day?
  A) Did the coffee cause it?
  B) Did your daughter cause it?
  C) Did the Policeman cause it?
  D) Did you cause it?
  
  The answer is D.
  You had no control over what happened with the coffee.
  How you reacted in those 5 seconds is what caused your bad day.
  
  Here is what could have and should have happened. Coffee splashes over you. Your daughter is about to cry. You gently say "It's OK honey, you just need to be more careful next time".
  Grabbing a towel you rush upstairs. After grabbing a new shirt and your briefcase. You come back down in time look through the window and see your child getting on the bus. She turns
  and waves.
  You and your spouse kiss before you both go to work. You arrive 5 minutes early and cheerfully greet the staff. Your boss comments on how good of day you are having.
  
  Notice the difference.
  Two different scenarios.
  Both started the same.
  Both ended different.
  Why?
  Because of how you REACTED.
  
  You really do not have any control over 10% of what happens. The other 90% is determined by your reaction.
  
  Here are some ways to apply the 90/10 secret.
  
  = If someone says something negative about you, do not be sponge. Let the attack roll off like water on glass. You do have to let the negative comment affect you! React properly and it will not ruin your day. A wrong reaction could result in losing a friend, being fired, getting stressed out, etc.
  
  = How do you react if someone cuts you off in traffic? Do you loose your temper? Pound the steering wheel? (A friend of mine had the steering wheel fall off!) Do you curse? Does your blood pressure skyrocket? Do you try and bump them? WHO CARES if you arrive ten seconds later at work? Why let the blue car ruin your drive. Remember the 90-10 principle, and do not worry about it!
  
  = You are told you lost your job. Why lose sleep or get irritated? It will work out. Use your "worrying" energy and time into finding another job.
  
  = The plane is late. It is going to mangle your schedule for the day. Why take out your frustration on the flight attendant? She has no control over what is going on. Use your time to
  study, get to know the other passenger, etc. Why get stressed out? It will just make things worse.
  
  You now know the 90-10 secret. Apply it and you will be amazed at the results.
  
  
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• From: Urme (@ crocus.tpl.toronto.on.ca) on: Fri Jul 11 13:21:11 EDT 2003
  
  objective (@ 209.115.140.237) on: Thu Jul 10 14:26:50 EDT 2003
  
  
  2. Yes my privacy was invaded and religious views and other personal things became known and were misused. You can now understand why one who was persued because of such views can get aggressive in promoting them
  
  3. It is in their best interest to prove that I am full blood Tamils and that Tamils are africans and the women are bad when descended from India.
  
  4. There has been alot of manipulation, the reason why full items and documents are not released and efforts are made to obtain them elsewhere and by other methods.
  
  6. The thing about Hindusim is not the initial proble, the initial problem is alot more serious and amounts to criminal acts against me. Hinduism and other things were manipulated over a year later and claimed to be the original porblem. Meanwhile every effort has been made to suppress the original problem - the facts and evidences that relate to it.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: urme (@ crocus.tpl.toronto.on.ca) on: Fri Jul 11 13:33:16 EDT 2003
  
  addition to point 2: The private discussion that was invaded was one with a person who is a muslim by birth but became a Christian and do not believe in either and express her belief in hinduism.
  
  addition to point 6: This manipulation and misuse were done without my knowledge and used in claims without my knowledge. When I first became aware in 2002 abotu this fact and that it was used to support false claims, it was reported to authorities when I was forced to disclose the intial problem. The facts and evidences around the initial problem were supressed in various efforts and methods. That too was brought to light in 2002.
  
  
  
  
• From: :) (@ d150-188-97.home.cgocable.net) on: Fri Jul 11 15:25:35 EDT 2003
  
  Urmila,
  Did you read the 90/10 secret. What is your opinion?
  
  
• From: Urme (@ crocus.tpl.toronto.on.ca) on: Mon Jul 14 13:59:50 EDT 2003
  
  From: :) (@ d150-188-97.home.cgocable.net
  
  It seems as if you are trying to find the causal link. If you are trying to paralell this to my situation, it is wrong. I do not have trouble finding the causal link and before anyone can try to find the causal link, they must know full facts to study cuase and effects. With an outstnading legal matter, that is difficult. One other important point to note is that no matter how much one come public and would like to disclose everything, there are things one can't dislcose and discuss until the legal matter is concluded.
  
  I have studied the position for a long time and with more and more that occured, directly related, I knw the answers. Some of those examples you gave/copied, there is no causal link. Thus the 90/10 secret can't be applied. It is more a situation of 90% harm done and 10% of my own difficulties has been manipulated to cover the 90% harm done. Every individual have in some form a 10% troubles in their personal life. Who has the right to get into your privacy and make that 10% cause after done more harm knowing of the 10%, then use the 10% while doing more harm? Should those who have done the 90% harm be allowed to rely on the 10% in such crcumstances in calculating the net effect?
  
  
  
• From: Urme (@ tulip.tpl.toronto.on.ca) on: Mon Jul 14 14:15:12 EDT 2003
  
  Testing
  
  

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