Topic started by Shakthi (@ 203-195-199-244.now-india.net.in) on Thu Aug 28 03:38:52 .
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Depression ....why not gather some interesting and informative info bout the same.

When does it occur?
Why does it occur?
Can a person KNOW he or she is undergoing it?

How dangerous is it?

At what limit does depression tends to be suicidal?
Any prior syndromes? If a person is taking anti-depression pills, does it have any side effect on later date?

Any person who is already been thro depression and come out of it? Can they please discuss their experience?

Do we tend to cry a lot during depressed times? or is it just suicidal feelings?

Is it necessary to go for councelling?
Would addiction of any kind lead to depression?
Any doctors here?

plz gimme lots of infoz

thank you
Shakthi.

Responses:

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• From: Madurai Veeran (@ adsl-66-122-62-149.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) on: Sat Sep 6 01:35:37 EDT 2003
  
  >>Dissappointment comes to those who have appointment with the future!"
  
  Dissappointment comes to those, who think they have an have appointment with the future. When the appointment never materializes, they can't look at the silver lining. The one who can't make the best of the worst situation, will always end up with disappointment.
  
  
• From: Madurai Veeran (@ adsl-66-122-62-149.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) on: Sat Sep 6 01:43:16 EDT 2003
  
  >>By the way, the biggest failure is God. Look at the world he has created - a complete mess!!! :)
  
  The Christians claim God gave you free will and all the mess you see is a result of your free will. With your free will, you invented God. Why blame a non-existent entity?
  
  The Hindu God, on the other hand, is a saddist. We all have to wait for Krishna to come back to clean up the mess. But Krishna is too busy with the celestial Gopis.
  
  And we blame it all on the mad mullahs of the world.
  
  And people like you and me, are stuck in this mess. This sucks, I tell you.
  
  
• From: Kajan (@ cpe0008024eca70-cm014250029186.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Sat Sep 6 01:55:11 EDT 2003
  
  >And people like you and me, are stuck in this mess. This sucks, I tell you.>
  
  made me laugh
  
  
• From: :) (@ d150-40-7.home.cgocable.net) on: Sat Sep 6 07:59:35 EDT 2003
  
  "we should not be ashamed of (carrying your own luggae, sweeping our floor, a torn dress, less cash etc.), but we are not ashamed of what we should be ashamed of (lying, cheating, being truant to our duties, corruption, vanity). "
  
  Shekhar, very well said.
  
  
• From: Roshan (@ 203.94.76.186) on: Sun Sep 7 08:48:09 EDT 2003
  
  Shekar,
  Wonderful post.
  
  >> Those who succeed in life are not the most intelligent, but the most persevering and light hearted. >>
  
  Simply superb!!!
  
  
• From: Roshan (@ 203.94.76.186) on: Sun Sep 7 08:48:58 EDT 2003
  
  Shekar,
  Wonderful post.
  
  >> Those who succeed in life are not the most intelligent, but the most persevering and light hearted. >>
  
  Simply superb!!!
  
  
• From: cholan (@ 216.127.82.97) on: Wed Sep 10 01:03:16 EDT 2003
  
  Dear Shakti,
  
  haha....enna pEi endravudan bayantuteengala?? :)) that is scary (that an otherwise bold female hubber is scared of ghosts!!) :))
  
  hmmm......I don't know these things indepth like you or sekhar. All I know is that we all get depressed at some point of time or other. My friend tells me that all this is due to our 'jathagam' :)) This is a nice way of taking it lightly isnt it??
  
  Well, talking seriously, this may be true. There are certain chemicals which change the mood, we have discovered in the past few decades. So, when moods can be changed by chemical compunds, it is quiet possible that our moods including depression is induced by the presence of certain chemicals in our system..... (ÅÆì¸õ §À¡Ä À£Ä¡ ¯ð§ÈÉ¡?? †¡ †¡!!)
  
  
  Again they say that the chemicals that are present in our system depends on the lack of effective mechanism in our system to flush out these chemicals. This 'lacking' may be due to malfunctioning of certain internal organs, hereditary malfunctioning of certain flush out mechanisms and also may be due to planetary influences.
  
  The planetary influences may be true («Ð측¸ ¿õÁ §ƒ¡º¢Â÷¸û ¦º¡øȦ¾øÄ¡õ ºÃ¢ýÛ ¦º¡øÄ Å÷Ä) as we see that the mentally unbalanced persons are affected during full moon , new moon etc. Infact our josiyakarargal see the moon in our horoscope and predict our mental peace etc. Mars and Moon are said to have an impact more on our mind.
  
  okay...coming back to me, I at times think that who gets depression? Is that me?? Nooooo...... it is not me, but my past , my future expectations, my social conditionings, my peer pressure, my ego, my aspirations, my temperament that suffers (or that make me suffer) depression.
  
  Yes, it may look funny but this is my experiance. I get depression and that 'I' is the cholan who is conditioned by the society. He was thoroughly depressed when he was jobless and was penniless. Again here, it is not I who got depression, my proudness of being a male who is supposed to fulfill the proverb ¯ò§Â¡¸õ ÒÕ„ ÄðºÉõ that got depressed. That part of mine, which expected myself to be respected on par with my cousins who are doing well in life got hurt by the treatment meeted out to me in social functions and that weak part of my mind got depressed. That part of me, which expected the society, family to take care of the jobless person , that 'expectation' part of my personality got depressed. So, I remain as a mute spectator to all this .... if I think that I am what the society expects me to be, then yes, may be the depression affected me.
  
  Well, these are some thoughts and it is very difficult to cope up with depression. One way is to just go for a jog and then make the internal organs flush out the depression causing chemicals and then be happy (don't take this literally, I am just jovially mentioning this as an example).
  
  
  Another side is, during depression, never take to drinks or to suppressants or boosters. That could be the worst trap one could get into. (Again this drinks or other artificial mind boosters could be anything...like a lady I know, she used to beat the children mercilessly when she was in depression and then cry).
  
  
  By the way, if you are not that much scared, then I will post some more incidents of suicide attempts that I saw/heard and more ghost stories too (as and when I get time.....or able to access the net).
  
  Shekhar,
  
  one small question...don't mistake me, do you know someone called dhanalakshmi who is in hyderabad now? Just curious. Ignore this if you don't know her.
  
  
• From: Shekhar (@ 61.1.142.149) on: Thu Sep 11 00:36:52 EDT 2003
  
  Cholan,
  
  Sorry to disappoint you, I don't know any Ms.Dhanalkshmi in Hyderabad. I am disappointed too !!! :)
  
  Getting to topic,
  True the flow of electrons and release of chemicals control human moods and behaviour if you go deep into physiology. That's how psychiatrists control pathological depression, agression sydrome etc.
  But the mystery is, it is the mind which controls the release of these chemicals. And that's why psichiatrists fail so miserably in curing their patients.
  If we take the stand that I am controlled by my genes, and chemicals, then I am not responsible for my life at all. I can do any thing and put the blame on my genes. It is a fatalistic attitude. The attitude is very tempting as it abdicates me of any kind of responisbility. But the sad fact is, it also strips me of all power over my life. It is a horrifying situation for me.
  I accept the responsibily for all my thoughts, decisions and actions, and believe that I can live my life to my desire to a large extent.
  
  
• From: mummudicholan (@ 216.127.82.98) on: Thu Sep 11 01:28:50 EDT 2003
  
  shekhar,
  
  haha....thats how I do! Yes, I blame it on other factors and just let it pass. This proves to be a wonderful sedative and moves me away from depression.
  
  Its like this, I didn't have a job. I was depressed. There were two options before me. One was to take the call centre job, which gave me a good breather and occupy my time. The other one was to scoff at it and wait for a call for the proper job with my qualifications.
  
  Now, I chose option 2 after much thought and deliberation. I suffered a lot. I was into depression. This depression crippled my already low confidence level.
  
  Suddenly one fine morning, one fine thought occurs to me. I decided to take option 2 not because of me. But, because I was conditioned to think that way by the society. The downturn in the particular segment I chose was related to global events which were not under my control. The decision to opt to this stream was taken by me, again depending upon the various moods and desires and ambitions present at that time, that was again because of my reaction to the society around me, the cultural , social background and the genes, chemicals, harmones etc.
  
  Now, I see the things as if taken place without my control. Yes, I am the boss of myself. But I can't run like a olympic player , even if I decide now and put all my soul into it. Thats the reality, may be I can win the race in the alumni function, may be I can beat others in the locality functions, but I can't win the olympic race. Then what is the point in getting depressed seeing others and getting depressed?
  
  I clearly see two circles, one circle can be crossed by me - this me can mean anything including the fully potent bigger Self. The other circle is simply impossible (yes, that is true, inspite of our Dale Carnegies, M.S.Udayamurthis....). Why to be sad about that?
  
  So, this removes a big burden my self and actually it makes me come out of depression and my confidence level, productivity, social behaviour, psychological health everything improves.
  
  Now, this doesn't mean that I absolve my responsibility for my actions. I am merely conscious of the various factors that make me chose a particular course of event. This makes me free of the worry about the past failures, the 'presumed, assumed' failures that are the products of the present society around me and make me focus on the present in a better way.
  
  Again, as I already said, these are some methods adopted by me to convince myself and makes me reason out with my self. This is my method and I don't advocate it to others, perhaps everyone has to devise their own way out of their predicament depending upon their mental maturity, the space they have around themselves (not in the physical sense).
  
  By the way shekar, since you seems to know psychology, I will tell another side. Once a friend told me that we get depressed or feel sorrow because we desire this depression or sorrow at the back of our minds. Thats funny isnt it? But at times, I think that it can be true.......
  
  
• From: Shakthi (@ 203-195-199-244.now-india.net.in) on: Thu Sep 11 03:38:34 EDT 2003
  
  shekar, and mmc, and others who posted
  
  thx for all ur wonderful posts.
  
  mmc,
  
  Interestingly true, that why we get depressed is a combination of too many factors like society, hormones, expectations so on so forth. Just as u rightly pointed out that planets do have effect on us, but THAT DOES NOT mean, that planets rule us.
  
  The effect is there. It is on our part to minimise or maximise the syndrome with either more brooding or "I care a damn" attitude.
  
  Some time back, (may be even some years) i read an article, which mentioned, a thesis, conducted on laughter and causes of laughter on human beings (obviously only human beings). The research told, that laughter is caused due to a secretion or some enzyme or ..the other way around when we laugh the secretion takes place. (chicken and egg story)
  
  Hence they tried to induce such laughter on other wise normal ppl, by injecting a solution, where by the said examined lot, burst out into uncontrollable laughter, even amidst worst situations which did not call for the laughter.
  
  I am not quite sure, (or forgot) whether the laughter was just physical laughter (when u laugh beyond ur power whilst u actually emotionally cry) or mixed with real happy emotions from within. If such being the case, is human being a blend of only chemicals?
  I am pretty confused about this part.
  
  Like shekhar said, more than chemicals, surroundings IT IS WE WHO NEED to stand up and rise to the occasion.
  
  >>>>>>>>"one small question...don't mistake me, do you know someone called dhanalakshmi who is in hyderabad now? Just curious. Ignore this if you don't know her">>>>>>>>>"By the way, if you are not that much scared, then I will post some more incidents of suicide attempts that I saw/heard and more ghost stories too (as and when I get time.....or able to access the net).
  <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<,
  
  oh yeah plz do post...i would ensure i would read it only during day time...........AND NOOOOOOOOOOOO DONT POST IT TILL 25TH OF THIS MONTH........MY HUSBAND IS ON TOUR, AND AFTER READING POSTS ON GHOSTS, I WONT SLEEP A WINK, WOULD BE SCARED TO THE ROOT, AND HAVE SHIVARATHIRISS...
  
  
• From: Shakthi (@ 203-195-199-244.now-india.net.in) on: Thu Sep 11 03:41:12 EDT 2003
  
  >>>>>>>>"one small question...don't mistake me, do you know someone called dhanalakshmi who is in hyderabad now? Just curious. Ignore this if you don't know her"<<<
  
  hmm....so is she the cause for depression?
  
  :)) absolutely kidding....plz take it light!
  
  
• From: mummudicholan (@ 216.127.82.99) on: Thu Sep 11 05:19:30 EDT 2003
  
  //hmm....so is she the cause for depression? //
  
  aioio.....nono....i tried to know if this shekar is the same shekar and asked that question.
  
  Ofcourse, once (or to be honest too many times in various stages of my life) I have got depression due to the "mARan kaNaigaL" ;-) Recently it was exactly two years back. From the time I started thinking I was in love with some girl or other. It all stopped two years back with that great deluge and then I became a munivar(like raghu) hahaha.....
  
  About the chemicals creating our moods, they call it psychosomatic medicines. In homeopathy and aromatheraphy they talk a lot, though allopathy in the recent decades have started digging out in this area.
  
  Rightly you told the chicken egg example. Actually these things take place that way. With our effort(as rightly pointed out in a different context by shekar), we can come out of the circle slowly. But again, no point in getting depressed too much for things which are beyond our control.
  
  After all, most of us beleive that this life is not an end, we may have more births (so that I can get aish as my gf in the next birth..or become CEO of Microsoft!!) . If some of us don't beleive in next birth, then irukkavey irukku sorkalokam (with ramba, oorvasi et all making aish go pale!! and kubera giving BG a run for money!!). So, if we can't achieve or get something which we desire in this life, there is no point in getting too much dejected or depressed. After all its all Maya-Chaya (Copy right:raghu :)) ) haha....
  
  Just if we change the way we view some things, we can get over most of our worries. Again its all very easy to say and this has to be mastered over the time and we have to train ourselves continuously. So far, I am not very successful though in this regard, but trying..trying....
  
  

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