Topic started by peacemaker (@ 203.116.11.118) on Tue Oct 29 05:09:51 .
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In the modern world, Indians girls are talking about freedom and equal rights?

Will they know what their culture and religion provide them?

Responses:

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• From: RSS (@ web.waldorf.edu) on: Thu Nov 7 01:58:08
  
  Paiyan shit,
  
  Do you know what as-shole means?
  
  
• From: manidan (@ 165.21.83.197) on: Thu Nov 7 11:15:56
  
  Good RSS.
  
  Now only you hv started to show your real color. Keep it up. Let Hindu girls to know the real color of their cultural root (RSS).
  
  
  
• From: RSS (@ web.waldorf.edu) on: Thu Nov 7 13:09:03
  
  Manidan,
  
  Paiyan s-hit has already scared the Hindu girls away. Notice before he sneaked in how they were posting... the thread was flowing smoothly. But when the snake bites, all hell breaks loose. This thread is dead. On to the next one.
  
  
• From: Skanthavelu Nadarajah (@ edtntnt3-port-238.dial.telus.net) on: Fri Nov 8 10:08:55
  
  >>>This thread is dead<<<
  
  What does this mean? The discussion has stopped never to be brought up again??? :(
  
  
• From: Neshan (@ 203.200.149.134) on: Sat Nov 9 01:06:36
  
  Shwethaswatara upanishath says:
  
  You are the woman, you are the man, you are the boy, you are the GIRL. You are the old man walking with a stick, O Lord you are in everything in the universe.
  
  
• From: fridge (@ netcache6.is.co.za) on: Thu Nov 14 08:55:29
  
  Rights of Hindhu Fathers
  
  
  APPLICATION FOR PERMISSION TO DATE MY DAUGHTER
  
  
  
  > NOTE: This application will be incomplete and rejected unless accompanied
  
  > by a complete financial statement, job history, driving record, lineage,
  
  and
  
  > current certified medical report (including drug tests) from your doctor.
  
  > 1. NAME _______________________________ DATE OF BIRTH ________________
  
  > 2. HEIGHT ______________ WEIGHT __________ I.Q _______ G.P.A.____________
  
  > 3. SOCIAL SECURITY # _____________ DRIVERS LICENSE # __________________
  
  > 4. BOY SCOUT RANK____________________________________________________
  
  > 5. HOME ADDRESS _________________ CITY/STATE ___________ ZIP __________
  
  > 6. Do you have one MALE and one FEMALE
  
  parent?______________________________
  
  > If No, EXPLAIN ______________________________________________________
  
  > 7. Number of years your parents have been married
  
  ________________________________
  
  > 8. Do you own a van? ______ A truck with oversized tires? ______ A
  
  waterbed? _________
  
  > Do you have an earring, nose ring, belly button ring, or a tattoo?
  
  _____________________
  
  > (If "yes" to any of #8, discontinue application and leave premises)
  
  > 9. In 50 words or less, what does "LATE" mean to
  
  you?______________________________
  
  > _______________________________________________________________________
  
  > 10. In 50 words or less, what does "DON'T TOUCH MY DAUGHTER" mean to you?
  
  > _______________________________________________________________________
  
  > _______________________________________________________________________
  
  > 11. In 50 words or less, what does "ABSTINENCE" mean to you?
  
  ______________________
  
  > _______________________________________________________________________
  
  > 12. Church you attend _____________ How often do you attend
  
  ______________________
  
  > 13. When would be the best time to interview your father, mother and
  
  priest/rabbi/minister? ____
  
  > 14. Answer by filling in the blank: please answer freely. ALL answers are
  
  confidential (That
  
  > means I won't tell anyone -ever- I promise.)
  
  > a) If I were shot, the last place on my body I would want wounded is
  
  __________________
  
  > b) If I were beaten, the last bone I would want broken is my
  
  ________________________
  
  > c) A woman's place is in the
  
  _______________________________________________
  
  > d) The one thing I hope this application does not ask me about is
  
  _____________________
  
  > e) When I first meet a girl, the first thing I notice about her is
  
  _______________________
  
  > ( NOTE: If your answer begins with "T" or "A", discontinue. Leave premises
  
  keeping your
  
  > head low. Running in a serpentine fashion is advised.)
  
  > 15. What do you want to be IF you grow up?
  
  ____________________________________
  
  > I SWEAR THAT ALL INFORMATION SUPPLIED ABOVE IS TRUE AND CORRECT
  
  > TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE UNDER PENALTY OF DEATH, DISMEMBERMENT,
  
  > NATIVE AMERICAN ANT TORTURE, ELECTROCUTION, CHINESE WATER TORTURE,
  
  > AND RED HOT POKERS.
  
  > ________________________________________
  
  > Signature (That means sign your name)
  
  > Thank you for your interest. Please allow four to six years for
  
  > processing. You will be notified in writing if you are approved. Please do
  
  > not try to call or write. If you do attempt any communication before your
  
  > application is approved, automatic disqualification will result.
  
  > If your application is rejected, you will be notified by
  
  > two gentlemen wearing white ties and carrying violin cases (You might
  
  > want to watch your back).
  
  > Do you still want to date my daughter?:
  
  > _____ Yes, please accept my application
  
  > _____ I um, no, I uh, think I have the wrong house...
  
  
  
• From: mmc (@ 203.122.42.221) on: Thu Nov 14 11:38:12
  
  What Hinduism has got to do with granting or not granting rights to women?????
  
  Hinduism is not Islam to dictate every part of our activity!
  
  And Hinduism doesnt have any role in granting rights to women.
  
  We have our property laws modified and they arent based on any Manu Dharma sastra!!
  
  Even if some attempt to bring in such things into Hinduism , I will be the first one to oppose that.Religion has to restrict itself to spiritual matters(that too indicative role only) and never should be allowed into other areas.
  
  
  
• From: practical person (@ dial47-40.brunet.bn) on: Mon Nov 18 00:41:54
  
  So totally its a bull-shit.
  
  
• From: Santa Claus (@ 202.184.134.8) on: Mon Nov 18 02:42:54
  
  Yes, Islam is bull-shit
  
  
• From: Shekhar (@ 61.1.142.83) on: Mon Nov 18 23:08:06
  
  fridge,
  
  The application for dating a daughter is truly hilarious. enjoyed every bit of it !!!
  
  But I assure you, while dad is busy processing the application, the daughter will have become pregnant!!!
  
  And don't you think the attitude is not necessarily exclusive of Hindu fathers, but of all Asian fathers irrespective of religion?
  And can you see the father's love towards his daughter behind that formidable stance?
  
  
• From: Shekhar (@ 61.1.142.124) on: Mon Nov 18 23:11:32
  
  fridge,
  
  The application for dating a daughter is truly hilarious. enjoyed every bit of it !!!
  
  But I assure you, while dad is busy processing the application, the daughter will have become pregnant!!!
  
  And don't you think the attitude is not necessarily exclusive of Hindu fathers, but of all Asian fathers irrespective of religion?
  And can you see the father's love towards his daughter behind that formidable stance?
  
  
• From: fridge (@ netcache6.is.co.za) on: Tue Nov 19 01:33:33
  
  Shekhar
  
  Yes I laughed when when i first recieved it.
  
  "" the daughter will have become pregnant!!! """, Ha Ha yes, I am sure they well.
  
  Well I think It is not only Hindhu fathers but fathers in all races, but you are right asian fathers will take first place for this one though.
  
  Definately fatherly love there. Well shekhar what are you going to do when your baby girl grows up?.
  
  
• From: Santa Claus (@ 202.184.134.8) on: Tue Nov 19 03:10:11
  
  Indian fathers? Asian fathers?
  
  One look at the write-up, and I know it originated from the West.
  
  Please take it from me, things are no different in ALL parts of the world.
  
  
• From: fridge (@ netcache6.is.co.za) on: Tue Nov 19 04:55:17
  
  Santa Claus
  
  It happens in The north pole too, wow, Hey can I send you my christmas list:-).
  
  I am from the centre, south it happens here as well, Given, that the history of arranged marriages in asian communities gave the fathers a lot of control over daughters you must admit that they have a lot of discomfort and heartache over meeting their daughters new hero plus very little control over this type of situation.
  
  
• From: Shekhar (@ 61.1.142.93) on: Tue Nov 19 22:56:36
  
  fridge,
  
  Actually I was looking forward to your response for my post in "Ideal Wife" thread. but I found you here.
  
  " Definately fatherly love there. Well shekhar what are you going to do when your baby girl grows up?. "
  Well, my baby girl has become a terrorist, petted and pampered and completely spoilt. She makes everybody dance to her screams. Perhaps I am the only one who does not dance around her little finger (atleast most of the times)!
  But I have a feeling that when she becomes a teenager,I have to seek her permission to talk to her boy friend. She could just brush me away sayng "Can't you see Pop I'm busy"
  
  
• From: fridge (@ netcache6.is.co.za) on: Wed Nov 20 01:38:24
  
  Shekhar
  
  What a warm post. The little terrorist sounds adorable.
  Regarding dancing around her little finger, somehow dads tend to do this best Ha Ha, The heirachy is changing hey, the woman rule in most homes.
  ""Can't you see Pop I'm busy"
  ha ha Yes I think is highly probable, in her teenage years, do not worry when she gets there cos' somehow deep in side A girls dad still stays number one on the list.
  
  
• From: nicesite (@ dial47-16.brunet.bn) on: Fri Nov 29 02:24:29
  
  http://www.kamat.com/kalranga/women/
  
  
• From: natty (@ ) on: Sun Sep 21 21:19:18
  
  I hate you!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  
• From: natty (@ ) on: Sun Sep 21 21:19:24
  
  I hate you!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  
• From: Khokila (@ p10-28.intnet.mu) on: Mon Sep 22 01:02:22 EDT 2003
  
  In the modern world, Indians girls are talking about freedom and equal rights?
  
  Indeed, Indians girls are talking abt freedom n equal rights. We, girls, have the same right as boys. We are equal. Nowadays, there's no longer the discrimination that boys are better and they have the right to education while girls don't. I know in countries like afghanistan, and some places in india, girls are still treated as 3rd class citizens. It's really cruel and a pity to see them in these male-domintaing places. Girls are human beings after all and they should be given the same respect as their male counterparts. And also there's some traditions which belittle girls. it's really frustrating and a pity to see such a thing.
  
  I'm very happy i live in a country where there no such problems.
  
  
• From: shan (@ 213.42.2.16) on: Wed Sep 24 08:18:28 EDT 2003
  
  girls/ woman's rights in hinduism?
  Manusmriti: The Laws of Manu
  
  IX
  
  2. Day and night woman must be kept in dependence by the males (of) their (families), and, if they attach themselves to sensual enjoyments, they must be kept under one's control.
  3. Her father protects (her) in childhood, her husband protects (her) in youth, and her sons protect (her) in old age; a woman is never fit for independence.
  5. Women must particularly be guarded against evil inclinations, however trifling (they may appear); for, if they are not guarded, they will bring sorrow on two families.
  9. As the male is to whom a wife cleaves, even so is the son whom she brings forth; let him therefore carefully guard his wife, in order to keep his offspring pure.
  11. Let the (husband) employ his (wife) in the collection and expenditure of his wealth, in keeping (everything) clean, in (the fulfillment of) religious duties, in the preparation of his food, and in looking after the household utensils.
  12. Women, confined in the house under trustworthy and obedient servants, are not (well) guarded; but those who of their own accord keep guard over themselves, are well guarded.
  13.Drinking (spirituous liquor), associating with wicked people, separation from the husband, rambling abroad, sleeping (at unseasonable hours), and dwelling in other men's houses, are the six causes of the ruin of women.
  15. Through their passion for men, through their mutable temper, through their natural heartlessness, they be-come disloyal towards their husbands, however carefully they may be guarded in this (world).
  17. (When creating them) Manu allotted to women (a love of their) bed, (of their) seat and (of) ornament, impure desires, wrath, dishonesty, malice, and bad conduct.
  24.These and other females of low birth have attained eminence in this world by the respective good qualities of their husbands.
  25. Thus has been declared the ever pure popular usage (which regulates the relations) between husband and wife; hear (next) the laws concerning children which are the cause of happiness in this world and after death.
  26. Between wives (striyah) who (are destined) to bear children, who secure many blessings, who are worthy of worship and irradiate (their) dwellings, and between the goddesses of fortune (sriyah, who reside) in the houses (of men), there is no difference whatsoever.
  27.The production of children, the nurture of those born, and the daily life of men, (of these matters) woman is visibly the cause.
  28. Offspring, (the due performance on religious rites, faithful service, highest conjugal happiness and heavenly bliss for the ancestors and oneself, depend on one's wife alone.
  29. She who, controlling her thoughts, speech, and acts, violates not her duty towards her lord, dwells with him (after death) in heaven, and in this world is called by the virtuous a faithful (wife, sadhvi)
  30. But for disloyalty to her husband a wife is censured among men, and (in her next life) she is born in the womb of a jackal and tormented by diseases, the punishment of her sin.
  
  
  
• From: mmc[the real] (@ netcache.spectranet.com) on: Sun Oct 26 07:20:17 EST 2003
  
  What shan has written is exactly what Islam preaches about women.
  
  
  

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