SHAME ON INDIAN MENFOLK - A GIRL WAS RAPED IN THE PRESENCE OF FIVE MEN IN MUMBAI !!
Topic started by venkatkrishnan .K (@ 202.138.113.5) on Fri Aug 16 12:46:22 .
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Dear Fellow Forumhubbers,
Agirl in my city of Mumbai was dishonoured in the presence of five men in a railway train and none came to defend her.One of the "Audience" was a staffer from the Times of India ,Mr Ambarish Mishra .I paste below a letter I've just written to the Times.
PLEASE READ AND RESPOND AT venkatkrishnank@rediffmail.com
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TO,
THE RESIDENT EDITOR,
C/O,LETTERS TO EDITOR COLUMN,
TIMES OF INDIA.
DATE : 16TH AUGUST, 2002
REF :- ARTICLE BY TOI STAFFER MR.AMBARISH MISHRA
ISSUE DATED 15TH AUG ,2002 : PAGE ONE.
Sir/Madam,
I write in shock and agony after reading the article "PARALYSED WITH FEAR,WE COULDN'T STOP HIM" by Mr. Ambarish Mishra a staffer at your esteemed Newspaper, in the issue dated 15th August 2002.!! It deals with the Rape of a Minor girl by one Mr Salim Shamsher Khan. Had I been on that train I would have considered it a matter of duty to defend the honour and life of that unfortunate girl, even if it meant losing my life in the process .After all if five men couldn't defend the girl against one man, what is the level of safety women can feel in our country ? What is the worth of the menfolk of our country ?
Certain duties of courage and sacrifice like defence of the Nation, rescue missions, Protecting the Ladyfolk,children and elderly from harm etc devolve upon the menfolk of the Nation,by default.It is not that only soldiers should do life threatening work for the society and the nation. Mr Bharat Mistry is a strking example of this principle.
Mr. Bharat Mistry made the supreme sacrifice of losing his life ,in trying to recover the "Mangalsutras" of three women.He was dragged by the assailants and stabbed to death .His sacrifice is as necessary and on par with any of our country's brave soldiers who have become Martyrs in defence of the Nation.
The article immediately brings to mind the incident of Ms. Jayabala Asher .Ms Asher's incident had way back highlighted the level of safety felt by women commuters , in our city.
Surely, Mr Ambarish Mishra and his five companions could have emulated either Ms Asher or Mr Mistry.The divine teachings of all the religions preach the eternal truth that to die for a noble cause is to die for God .Surely to defend the honour and life of that unfortunate girl,even if it meant death, would have been a noblest of causes.The movie "Mother India" where a mother kills her son to save the honour of the girl gives an abiding lesson that no sacrifice is too big to save the life and honour of a girl or a woman !!
Secondly,the incident also shows that the woman of our country cannot depend upon their brothers for help even when life and honour is under threat !! Womankind should give to themselves the means to defend themselves by developing their physique,increasing physical strength,become profecient in martial arts and having a self defence weapon like a "Kirpan " (dagger) on their person !!
Thirdly all those criminals who either attempt or violate the honour of a girl or woman should be divested of their organ of manhood .They should also be given stringentest of punishment on an exemplary basis in order to serve the cause of detterance against crimes of the nature as referred to in the article by Mr. Mishra !!
Your's Sincerely,
Mr Venkatkrishnan.K
(Venkatkrishnank@rediffmail.com)
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Margazhi and Tirupavai
Topic started by Santosh (@ sbproxy1.mystarhub.com.sg) on Sat Dec 20 19:25:41 EST 2003.
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The month of margazhi (known as Dhanur in Sanskrit) is the Tamil month of religious austerities and devotional activities. It corresponds to Dec – Jan culminating in the Bhogi festival just a day before pongal /makara shankranti which will be celebrated in 15th January.
This month long celebration is in honour of Andal. The vaisnava saints - Alvars 12 in numbers lived between 5th and 7th century and the only woman among them Andal is considered as the incarnation of Bhudevi.
Andal’s foster father, Periya Alvar (Vishnu chitta) found Andal under the Tulasi bed in his garden in SriVilliputtur. He named her initially Goda and the environment in which she grew up brought out her mystic temperament and she identified with the gopis of Vrndavan, when she listened to the glory of the Lord in His incarnation as Krishna from Periya alvar.
Even as a child of barely 5 years her spiritual maturity reached great heights. Vishnu chitta (Periya Alvar) once caught Andal red handed in the act of admiring her reflection wearing the garlands meant for the Lord and was disturbed by what he considered a sacrilege. He did not offer any garlands to the Lord that day. That night Vishnu chitta (Periya Alvar) was commanded by the Lord in his dream to offer garlands first worn by Goda and overwhelmed by this incident he addressed her as Andal – “One who has conquered the Lord”
While other Alvars had also given expression to their agony over separation from the Lord in the language unique to bridal mysticism, Andals’ outpours scores above them because the emotion comes naturally to her. She threatens that she would not live if betrothed to a mortal when her foster father Periya alvar expressed his intention to get her married
The Tirupavai verses are the expression of Andal’s desire to attain union with the Lord when she performed Pavai nombu, a vow on the lines of Kartyayini vrata performed by the gopis.
Ramanuja acarya admired the work of Andal. Though he was known by many names such as Emperumanar, Yatiraja and Bhasyakarar, he was popularly called “Tirupavai Jiyar”. The version how he earned this appellation is well known but the background is that Tirupavai’s 30 verses spell out the essence of the vedas and reflects how Andal treated Vishnu chitta (Peria Alvar) not only as her foster father but also as her acarya (preceptor)
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Since my apostasy I have shaved off my long beard which I have had since I was 16. It deeply shocked my family and friends to see me clean shaven and no longer praying and reading the Quran regularly so I can imagine their reaction if I tell them I am no longer a Muslim! That is why I am going to keep my apostasy secret from them. At the moment they think I am still a Muslim but just not practicing. Since my apostasy I have re-examined my beliefs about everything. I still hold on to many of the good things I have learnt such as honesty, being just, kind, polite, respect for elders, giving to charity etc. However, I have discarded all the evil and intolerant teachings of Islam and I am re-reading the Quran and Sunna with a very critical eye. Now I am just concentrating on being a good human being and making a positive contribution towards society.
I was very happy to find this web site and others like it. It’s very comforting to know that you are not alone.
Yours faithfully,
Ben Rukhsana (pseudonym)
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I left Islam in March 2003 when I was 24, about a year after leaving university. Since I dropped out of university I had more time to study Islam. To my horror I came across certain things in the Quran and Sunna which shook my belief in the Quran as a divine book and Muhammad as a prophet. Firstly, Allah’s saying in the Quran that husbands should beat their wives if they are disobedient. Islamic scholars say that beating is a last resort and that the beating should be done in a way that does not cause injury. That doesn’t make it any better though, a beating is a beating! Secondly, Muhammad having sex with Aisha when she was just nine years old. Apologetics say that she had started menstruating so it was ok. But the authentic hadiths show that she was still a child psychologically because she was still playing with dolls. In my view, Muhammad was a pedophile. These were the two main reasons why I left Islam.
Since my apostasy I have shaved off my long beard which I have had since I was 16. It deeply shocked my family and friends to see me clean shaven and no longer praying and reading the Quran regularly so I can imagine their reaction if I tell them I am no longer a Muslim! That is why I am going to keep my apostasy secret from them. At the moment they think I am still a Muslim but just not practicing. Since my apostasy I have re-examined my beliefs about everything. I still hold on to many of the good things I have learnt such as honesty, being just, kind, polite, respect for elders, giving to charity etc. However, I have discarded all the evil and intolerant teachings of Islam and I am re-reading the Quran and Sunna with a very critical eye. Now I am just concentrating on being a good human being and making a positive contribution towards society.
I was very happy to find this web site and others like it. It’s very comforting to know that you are not alone.
Yours faithfully,
Ben Rukhsana (pseudonym)
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Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
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I have been a practicing Muslim since I was a little boy. My parents are what British newspapers would call practicing moderate Muslims, as were their parents. I grew up aspiring to devote my life to Islam by becoming a religious scholar. This ambition seriously affected my social and work life, which is something I deeply regret now. My greatest regret is how Islam affected my academic life. Up till age 16 I was a good student and earned good grades. At 16 I was influenced by Muslims following the Salafi interpretation of Islam. It’s at this time when my interest in studying dropped. I spent most of my time reading Islamic books and going to Islamic lectures, even at the expense of missing my college classes. I completed my course with poor grades but somehow got into university to study law. After one year of law school I was persuaded by friends to drop out and transfer to another university to pursue Arabic language studies with the hope of eventually studying in Madina University in Saudi Arabia. I studied Arabic at university for 3 years including a year studying in an Arab country. Throughout this time my circle of friends changed to one who practiced a very orthodox Salafi interpretation of Islam. It did not allow co-education. Since this was unavoidable at university, I left. Even though I only had one year of studying before graduation!
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Mohammad The Pedophile - Parvin Darabi
Breaking the manacles of Islam
I left Islam in March 2003 when I was 24, about a year after leaving university. Since I dropped out of university I had more time to study Islam. To my horror I came across certain things in the Quran and Sunna which shook my belief in the Quran as a divine book and Muhammad as a prophet. Firstly, Allah’s saying in the Quran that husbands should beat their wives if they are disobedient. Islamic scholars say that beating is a last resort and that the beating should be done in a way that does not cause injury. That doesn’t make it any better though, a beating is a beating! Secondly, Muhammad having sex with Aisha when she was just nine years old. Apologetics say that she had started menstruating so it was ok. But the authentic hadiths show that she was still a child psychologically because she was still playing with dolls. In my view, Muhammad was a pedophile. These were the two main reasons why I left Islam.
Since my apostasy I have shaved off my long beard which I have had since I was 16. It deeply shocked my family and friends to see me clean shaven and no longer praying and reading the Quran regularly so I can imagine their reaction if I tell them I am no longer a Muslim! That is why I am going to keep my apostasy secret from them. At the moment they think I am still a Muslim but just not practicing. Since my apostasy I have re-examined my beliefs about everything. I still hold on to many of the good things I have learnt such as honesty, being just, kind, polite, respect for elders, giving to charity etc. However, I have discarded all the evil and intolerant teachings of Islam and I am re-reading the Quran and Sunna with a very critical eye. Now I am just concentrating on being a good human being and making a positive contribution towards society.
I was very happy to find this web site and others like it. It’s very comforting to know that you are not alone.
Yours faithfully,
Ben Rukhsana (pseudonym)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
[Read more]
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Ben Rukhsana -
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Testimony
I have been a practicing Muslim since I was a little boy. My parents are what British newspapers would call practicing moderate Muslims, as were their parents. I grew up aspiring to devote my life to Islam by becoming a religious scholar. This ambition seriously affected my social and work life, which is something I deeply regret now. My greatest regret is how Islam affected my academic life. Up till age 16 I was a good student and earned good grades. At 16 I was influenced by Muslims following the Salafi interpretation of Islam. It’s at this time when my interest in studying dropped. I spent most of my time reading Islamic books and going to Islamic lectures, even at the expense of missing my college classes. I completed my course with poor grades but somehow got into university to study law. After one year of law school I was persuaded by friends to drop out and transfer to another university to pursue Arabic language studies with the hope of eventually studying in Madina University in Saudi Arabia. I studied Arabic at university for 3 years including a year studying in an Arab country. Throughout this time my circle of friends changed to one who practiced a very orthodox Salafi interpretation of Islam. It did not allow co-education. Since this was unavoidable at university, I left. Even though I only had one year of studying before graduation!
HOT LINKS
Book! Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out
Video of Stoning to Death
Yes, this is about Islam - Salman Rushdie
Statement by Ibn Warraq on the WTC Attacks
Islam: Sex & Violence - Online Book by Anwar Sheikh (former Muslim) Book Review
ARTICLES
Mohammad The Pedophile - Parvin Darabi
Breaking the manacles of Islam
I left Islam in March 2003 when I was 24, about a year after leaving university. Since I dropped out of university I had more time to study Islam. To my horror I came across certain things in the Quran and Sunna which shook my belief in the Quran as a divine book and Muhammad as a prophet. Firstly, Allah’s saying in the Quran that husbands should beat their wives if they are disobedient. Islamic scholars say that beating is a last resort and that the beating should be done in a way that does not cause injury. That doesn’t make it any better though, a beating is a beating! Secondly, Muhammad having sex with Aisha when she was just nine years old. Apologetics say that she had started menstruating so it was ok. But the authentic hadiths show that she was still a child psychologically because she was still playing with dolls. In my view, Muhammad was a pedophile. These were the two main reasons why I left Islam.
Since my apostasy I have shaved off my long beard which I have had since I was 16. It deeply shocked my family and friends to see me clean shaven and no longer praying and reading the Quran regularly so I can imagine their reaction if I tell them I am no longer a Muslim! That is why I am going to keep my apostasy secret from them. At the moment they think I am still a Muslim but just not practicing. Since my apostasy I have re-examined my beliefs about everything. I still hold on to many of the good things I have learnt such as honesty, being just, kind, polite, respect for elders, giving to charity etc. However, I have discarded all the evil and intolerant teachings of Islam and I am re-reading the Quran and Sunna with a very critical eye. Now I am just concentrating on being a good human being and making a positive contribution towards society.
I was very happy to find this web site and others like it. It’s very comforting to know that you are not alone.
Yours faithfully,
Ben Rukhsana (pseudonym)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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"(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" -Quran 47:15 [translation:Yusuf Ali]
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Margazhi and Tirupavai
Topic started by Santosh (@ sbproxy1.mystarhub.com.sg) on Sat Dec 20 19:25:41 EST 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
The month of margazhi (known as Dhanur in Sanskrit) is the Tamil month of religious austerities and devotional activities. It corresponds to Dec – Jan culminating in the Bhogi festival just a day before pongal /makara shankranti which will be celebrated in 15th January.
This month long celebration is in honour of Andal. The vaisnava saints - Alvars 12 in numbers lived between 5th and 7th century and the only woman among them Andal is considered as the incarnation of Bhudevi.
Andal’s foster father, Periya Alvar (Vishnu chitta) found Andal under the Tulasi bed in his garden in SriVilliputtur. He named her initially Goda and the environment in which she grew up brought out her mystic temperament and she identified with the gopis of Vrndavan, when she listened to the glory of the Lord in His incarnation as Krishna from Periya alvar.
Even as a child of barely 5 years her spiritual maturity reached great heights. Vishnu chitta (Periya Alvar) once caught Andal red handed in the act of admiring her reflection wearing the garlands meant for the Lord and was disturbed by what he considered a sacrilege. He did not offer any garlands to the Lord that day. That night Vishnu chitta (Periya Alvar) was commanded by the Lord in his dream to offer garlands first worn by Goda and overwhelmed by this incident he addressed her as Andal – “One who has conquered the Lord”
While other Alvars had also given expression to their agony over separation from the Lord in the language unique to bridal mysticism, Andals’ outpours scores above them because the emotion comes naturally to her. She threatens that she would not live if betrothed to a mortal when her foster father Periya alvar expressed his intention to get her married
The Tirupavai verses are the expression of Andal’s desire to attain union with the Lord when she performed Pavai nombu, a vow on the lines of Kartyayini vrata performed by the gopis.
Ramanuja acarya admired the work of Andal. Though he was known by many names such as Emperumanar, Yatiraja and Bhasyakarar, he was popularly called “Tirupavai Jiyar”. The version how he earned this appellation is well known but the background is that Tirupavai’s 30 verses spell out the essence of the vedas and reflects how Andal treated Vishnu chitta (Peria Alvar) not only as her foster father but also as her acarya (preceptor)
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Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
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I left Islam in March 2003 when I was 24, about a year after leaving university. Since I dropped out of university I had more time to study Islam. To my horror I came across certain things in the Quran and Sunna which shook my belief in the Quran as a divine book and Muhammad as a prophet. Firstly, Allah’s saying in the Quran that husbands should beat their wives if they are disobedient. Islamic scholars say that beating is a last resort and that the beating should be done in a way that does not cause injury. That doesn’t make it any better though, a beating is a beating! Secondly, Muhammad having sex with Aisha when she was just nine years old. Apologetics say that she had started menstruating so it was ok. But the authentic hadiths show that she was still a child psychologically because she was still playing with dolls. In my view, Muhammad was a pedophile. These were the two main reasons why I left Islam.
Since my apostasy I have shaved off my long beard which I have had since I was 16. It deeply shocked my family and friends to see me clean shaven and no longer praying and reading the Quran regularly so I can imagine their reaction if I tell them I am no longer a Muslim! That is why I am going to keep my apostasy secret from them. At the moment they think I am still a Muslim but just not practicing. Since my apostasy I have re-examined my beliefs about everything. I still hold on to many of the good things I have learnt such as honesty, being just, kind, polite, respect for elders, giving to charity etc. However, I have discarded all the evil and intolerant teachings of Islam and I am re-reading the Quran and Sunna with a very critical eye. Now I am just concentrating on being a good human being and making a positive contribution towards society.
I was very happy to find this web site and others like it. It’s very comforting to know that you are not alone.
Yours faithfully,
Ben Rukhsana (pseudonym)
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I left Islam in March 2003 when I was 24, about a year after leaving university. Since I dropped out of university I had more time to study Islam. To my horror I came across certain things in the Quran and Sunna which shook my belief in the Quran as a divine book and Muhammad as a prophet. Firstly, Allah’s saying in the Quran that husbands should beat their wives if they are disobedient. Islamic scholars say that beating is a last resort and that the beating should be done in a way that does not cause injury. That doesn’t make it any better though, a beating is a beating! Secondly, Muhammad having sex with Aisha when she was just nine years old. Apologetics say that she had started menstruating so it was ok. But the authentic hadiths show that she was still a child psychologically because she was still playing with dolls. In my view, Muhammad was a pedophile. These were the two main reasons why I left Islam.
Since my apostasy I have shaved off my long beard which I have had since I was 16. It deeply shocked my family and friends to see me clean shaven and no longer praying and reading the Quran regularly so I can imagine their reaction if I tell them I am no longer a Muslim! That is why I am going to keep my apostasy secret from them. At the moment they think I am still a Muslim but just not practicing. Since my apostasy I have re-examined my beliefs about everything. I still hold on to many of the good things I have learnt such as honesty, being just, kind, polite, respect for elders, giving to charity etc. However, I have discarded all the evil and intolerant teachings of Islam and I am re-reading the Quran and Sunna with a very critical eye. Now I am just concentrating on being a good human being and making a positive contribution towards society.
I was very happy to find this web site and others like it. It’s very comforting to know that you are not alone.
Yours faithfully,
Ben Rukhsana (pseudonym)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
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I have been a practicing Muslim since I was a little boy. My parents are what British newspapers would call practicing moderate Muslims, as were their parents. I grew up aspiring to devote my life to Islam by becoming a religious scholar. This ambition seriously affected my social and work life, which is something I deeply regret now. My greatest regret is how Islam affected my academic life. Up till age 16 I was a good student and earned good grades. At 16 I was influenced by Muslims following the Salafi interpretation of Islam. It’s at this time when my interest in studying dropped. I spent most of my time reading Islamic books and going to Islamic lectures, even at the expense of missing my college classes. I completed my course with poor grades but somehow got into university to study law. After one year of law school I was persuaded by friends to drop out and transfer to another university to pursue Arabic language studies with the hope of eventually studying in Madina University in Saudi Arabia. I studied Arabic at university for 3 years including a year studying in an Arab country. Throughout this time my circle of friends changed to one who practiced a very orthodox Salafi interpretation of Islam. It did not allow co-education. Since this was unavoidable at university, I left. Even though I only had one year of studying before graduation!
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Book! Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out
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Islam: Sex & Violence - Online Book by Anwar Sheikh (former Muslim) Book Review
ARTICLES
Mohammad The Pedophile - Parvin Darabi
Breaking the manacles of Islam
I left Islam in March 2003 when I was 24, about a year after leaving university. Since I dropped out of university I had more time to study Islam. To my horror I came across certain things in the Quran and Sunna which shook my belief in the Quran as a divine book and Muhammad as a prophet. Firstly, Allah’s saying in the Quran that husbands should beat their wives if they are disobedient. Islamic scholars say that beating is a last resort and that the beating should be done in a way that does not cause injury. That doesn’t make it any better though, a beating is a beating! Secondly, Muhammad having sex with Aisha when she was just nine years old. Apologetics say that she had started menstruating so it was ok. But the authentic hadiths show that she was still a child psychologically because she was still playing with dolls. In my view, Muhammad was a pedophile. These were the two main reasons why I left Islam.
Since my apostasy I have shaved off my long beard which I have had since I was 16. It deeply shocked my family and friends to see me clean shaven and no longer praying and reading the Quran regularly so I can imagine their reaction if I tell them I am no longer a Muslim! That is why I am going to keep my apostasy secret from them. At the moment they think I am still a Muslim but just not practicing. Since my apostasy I have re-examined my beliefs about everything. I still hold on to many of the good things I have learnt such as honesty, being just, kind, polite, respect for elders, giving to charity etc. However, I have discarded all the evil and intolerant teachings of Islam and I am re-reading the Quran and Sunna with a very critical eye. Now I am just concentrating on being a good human being and making a positive contribution towards society.
I was very happy to find this web site and others like it. It’s very comforting to know that you are not alone.
Yours faithfully,
Ben Rukhsana (pseudonym)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Random Quran:
"(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" -Quran 47:15 [translation:Yusuf Ali]
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Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
[Read more]
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I have been a practicing Muslim since I was a little boy. My parents are what British newspapers would call practicing moderate Muslims, as were their parents. I grew up aspiring to devote my life to Islam by becoming a religious scholar. This ambition seriously affected my social and work life, which is something I deeply regret now. My greatest regret is how Islam affected my academic life. Up till age 16 I was a good student and earned good grades. At 16 I was influenced by Muslims following the Salafi interpretation of Islam. It’s at this time when my interest in studying dropped. I spent most of my time reading Islamic books and going to Islamic lectures, even at the expense of missing my college classes. I completed my course with poor grades but somehow got into university to study law. After one year of law school I was persuaded by friends to drop out and transfer to another university to pursue Arabic language studies with the hope of eventually studying in Madina University in Saudi Arabia. I studied Arabic at university for 3 years including a year studying in an Arab country. Throughout this time my circle of friends changed to one who practiced a very orthodox Salafi interpretation of Islam. It did not allow co-education. Since this was unavoidable at university, I left. Even though I only had one year of studying before graduation!
HOT LINKS
Book! Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out
Video of Stoning to Death
Yes, this is about Islam - Salman Rushdie
Statement by Ibn Warraq on the WTC Attacks
Islam: Sex & Violence - Online Book by Anwar Sheikh (former Muslim) Book Review
ARTICLES
Mohammad The Pedophile - Parvin Darabi
Breaking the manacles of Islam
I left Islam in March 2003 when I was 24, about a year after leaving university. Since I dropped out of university I had more time to study Islam. To my horror I came across certain things in the Quran and Sunna which shook my belief in the Quran as a divine book and Muhammad as a prophet. Firstly, Allah’s saying in the Quran that husbands should beat their wives if they are disobedient. Islamic scholars say that beating is a last resort and that the beating should be done in a way that does not cause injury. That doesn’t make it any better though, a beating is a beating! Secondly, Muhammad having sex with Aisha when she was just nine years old. Apologetics say that she had started menstruating so it was ok. But the authentic hadiths show that she was still a child psychologically because she was still playing with dolls. In my view, Muhammad was a pedophile. These were the two main reasons why I left Islam.
Since my apostasy I have shaved off my long beard which I have had since I was 16. It deeply shocked my family and friends to see me clean shaven and no longer praying and reading the Quran regularly so I can imagine their reaction if I tell them I am no longer a Muslim! That is why I am going to keep my apostasy secret from them. At the moment they think I am still a Muslim but just not practicing. Since my apostasy I have re-examined my beliefs about everything. I still hold on to many of the good things I have learnt such as honesty, being just, kind, polite, respect for elders, giving to charity etc. However, I have discarded all the evil and intolerant teachings of Islam and I am re-reading the Quran and Sunna with a very critical eye. Now I am just concentrating on being a good human being and making a positive contribution towards society.
I was very happy to find this web site and others like it. It’s very comforting to know that you are not alone.
Yours faithfully,
Ben Rukhsana (pseudonym)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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"(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" -Quran 47:15 [translation:Yusuf Ali]
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The month of margazhi (known as Dhanur in Sanskrit) is the Tamil month of religious austerities and devotional activities. It corresponds to Dec – Jan culminating in the Bhogi festival just a day before pongal /makara shankranti which will be celebrated in 15th January.
This month long celebration is in honour of Andal. The vaisnava saints - Alvars 12 in numbers lived between 5th and 7th century and the only woman among them Andal is considered as the incarnation of Bhudevi.
Andal’s foster father, Periya Alvar (Vishnu chitta) found Andal under the Tulasi bed in his garden in SriVilliputtur. He named her initially Goda and the environment in which she grew up brought out her mystic temperament and she identified with the gopis of Vrndavan, when she listened to the glory of the Lord in His incarnation as Krishna from Periya alvar.
Even as a child of barely 5 years her spiritual maturity reached great heights. Vishnu chitta (Periya Alvar) once caught Andal red handed in the act of admiring her reflection wearing the garlands meant for the Lord and was disturbed by what he considered a sacrilege. He did not offer any garlands to the Lord that day. That night Vishnu chitta (Periya Alvar) was commanded by the Lord in his dream to offer garlands first worn by Goda and overwhelmed by this incident he addressed her as Andal – “One who has conquered the Lord”
While other Alvars had also given expression to their agony over separation from the Lord in the language unique to bridal mysticism, Andals’ outpours scores above them because the emotion comes naturally to her. She threatens that she would not live if betrothed to a mortal when her foster father Periya alvar expressed his intention to get her married
The Tirupavai verses are the expression of Andal’s desire to attain union with the Lord when she performed Pavai nombu, a vow on the lines of Kartyayini vrata performed by the gopis.
Ramanuja acarya admired the work of Andal. Though he was known by many names such as Emperumanar, Yatiraja and Bhasyakarar, he was popularly called “Tirupavai Jiyar”. The version how he earned this appellation is well known but the background is that Tirupavai’s 30 verses spell out the essence of the vedas and reflects how Andal treated Vishnu chitta (Peria Alvar) not only as her foster father but also as her acarya (preceptor)
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Did you know - Quran (4:34) advises a man to beat his wife if she does'nt obey him?
Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
[Read more]
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| Contact me |
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I have been a practicing Muslim since I was a little boy. My parents are what British newspapers would call practicing moderate Muslims, as were their parents. I grew up aspiring to devote my life to Islam by becoming a religious scholar. This ambition seriously affected my social and work life, which is something I deeply regret now. My greatest regret is how Islam affected my academic life. Up till age 16 I was a good student and earned good grades. At 16 I was influenced by Muslims following the Salafi interpretation of Islam. It’s at this time when my interest in studying dropped. I spent most of my time reading Islamic books and going to Islamic lectures, even at the expense of missing my college classes. I completed my course with poor grades but somehow got into university to study law. After one year of law school I was persuaded by friends to drop out and transfer to another university to pursue Arabic language studies with the hope of eventually studying in Madina University in Saudi Arabia. I studied Arabic at university for 3 years including a year studying in an Arab country. Throughout this time my circle of friends changed to one who practiced a very orthodox Salafi interpretation of Islam. It did not allow co-education. Since this was unavoidable at university, I left. Even though I only had one year of studying before graduation!
HOT LINKS
Book! Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out
Video of Stoning to Death
Yes, this is about Islam - Salman Rushdie
Statement by Ibn Warraq on the WTC Attacks
Islam: Sex & Violence - Online Book by Anwar Sheikh (former Muslim) Book Review
ARTICLES
Mohammad The Pedophile - Parvin Darabi
Breaking the manacles of Islam
I left Islam in March 2003 when I was 24, about a year after leaving university. Since I dropped out of university I had more time to study Islam. To my horror I came across certain things in the Quran and Sunna which shook my belief in the Quran as a divine book and Muhammad as a prophet. Firstly, Allah’s saying in the Quran that husbands should beat their wives if they are disobedient. Islamic scholars say that beating is a last resort and that the beating should be done in a way that does not cause injury. That doesn’t make it any better though, a beating is a beating! Secondly, Muhammad having sex with Aisha when she was just nine years old. Apologetics say that she had started menstruating so it was ok. But the authentic hadiths show that she was still a child psychologically because she was still playing with dolls. In my view, Muhammad was a pedophile. These were the two main reasons why I left Islam.
Since my apostasy I have shaved off my long beard which I have had since I was 16. It deeply shocked my family and friends to see me clean shaven and no longer praying and reading the Quran regularly so I can imagine their reaction if I tell them I am no longer a Muslim! That is why I am going to keep my apostasy secret from them. At the moment they think I am still a Muslim but just not practicing. Since my apostasy I have re-examined my beliefs about everything. I still hold on to many of the good things I have learnt such as honesty, being just, kind, polite, respect for elders, giving to charity etc. However, I have discarded all the evil and intolerant teachings of Islam and I am re-reading the Quran and Sunna with a very critical eye. Now I am just concentrating on being a good human being and making a positive contribution towards society.
I was very happy to find this web site and others like it. It’s very comforting to know that you are not alone.
Yours faithfully,
Ben Rukhsana (pseudonym)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Random Quran:
"(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" -Quran 47:15 [translation:Yusuf Ali]
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From: Pee-Boo (@ dial0-301.dialin.uic.edu) on: Sat Dec 20 21:56:48 EST 2003
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Did you know - Quran (4:34) advises a man to beat his wife if she does'nt obey him?
Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
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I have been a practicing Muslim since I was a little boy. My parents are what British newspapers would call practicing moderate Muslims, as were their parents. I grew up aspiring to devote my life to Islam by becoming a religious scholar. This ambition seriously affected my social and work life, which is something I deeply regret now. My greatest regret is how Islam affected my academic life. Up till age 16 I was a good student and earned good grades. At 16 I was influenced by Muslims following the Salafi interpretation of Islam. It’s at this time when my interest in studying dropped. I spent most of my time reading Islamic books and going to Islamic lectures, even at the expense of missing my college classes. I completed my course with poor grades but somehow got into university to study law. After one year of law school I was persuaded by friends to drop out and transfer to another university to pursue Arabic language studies with the hope of eventually studying in Madina University in Saudi Arabia. I studied Arabic at university for 3 years including a year studying in an Arab country. Throughout this time my circle of friends changed to one who practiced a very orthodox Salafi interpretation of Islam. It did not allow co-education. Since this was unavoidable at university, I left. Even though I only had one year of studying before graduation!
HOT LINKS
Book! Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out
Video of Stoning to Death
Yes, this is about Islam - Salman Rushdie
Statement by Ibn Warraq on the WTC Attacks
Islam: Sex & Violence - Online Book by Anwar Sheikh (former Muslim) Book Review
ARTICLES
Mohammad The Pedophile - Parvin Darabi
Breaking the manacles of Islam
I left Islam in March 2003 when I was 24, about a year after leaving university. Since I dropped out of university I had more time to study Islam. To my horror I came across certain things in the Quran and Sunna which shook my belief in the Quran as a divine book and Muhammad as a prophet. Firstly, Allah’s saying in the Quran that husbands should beat their wives if they are disobedient. Islamic scholars say that beating is a last resort and that the beating should be done in a way that does not cause injury. That doesn’t make it any better though, a beating is a beating! Secondly, Muhammad having sex with Aisha when she was just nine years old. Apologetics say that she had started menstruating so it was ok. But the authentic hadiths show that she was still a child psychologically because she was still playing with dolls. In my view, Muhammad was a pedophile. These were the two main reasons why I left Islam.
Since my apostasy I have shaved off my long beard which I have had since I was 16. It deeply shocked my family and friends to see me clean shaven and no longer praying and reading the Quran regularly so I can imagine their reaction if I tell them I am no longer a Muslim! That is why I am going to keep my apostasy secret from them. At the moment they think I am still a Muslim but just not practicing. Since my apostasy I have re-examined my beliefs about everything. I still hold on to many of the good things I have learnt such as honesty, being just, kind, polite, respect for elders, giving to charity etc. However, I have discarded all the evil and intolerant teachings of Islam and I am re-reading the Quran and Sunna with a very critical eye. Now I am just concentrating on being a good human being and making a positive contribution towards society.
I was very happy to find this web site and others like it. It’s very comforting to know that you are not alone.
Yours faithfully,
Ben Rukhsana (pseudonym)
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Random Quran:
"(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" -Quran 47:15 [translation:Yusuf Ali]
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From: Pee-Boo (@ dial0-301.dialin.uic.edu) on: Sat Dec 20 21:57:25 EST 2003
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Did you know - Quran (4:34) advises a man to beat his wife if she does'nt obey him?
Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
[Read more]
Apostate
Ben Rukhsana -
| Contact me |
Testimony
I have been a practicing Muslim since I was a little boy. My parents are what British newspapers would call practicing moderate Muslims, as were their parents. I grew up aspiring to devote my life to Islam by becoming a religious scholar. This ambition seriously affected my social and work life, which is something I deeply regret now. My greatest regret is how Islam affected my academic life. Up till age 16 I was a good student and earned good grades. At 16 I was influenced by Muslims following the Salafi interpretation of Islam. It’s at this time when my interest in studying dropped. I spent most of my time reading Islamic books and going to Islamic lectures, even at the expense of missing my college classes. I completed my course with poor grades but somehow got into university to study law. After one year of law school I was persuaded by friends to drop out and transfer to another university to pursue Arabic language studies with the hope of eventually studying in Madina University in Saudi Arabia. I studied Arabic at university for 3 years including a year studying in an Arab country. Throughout this time my circle of friends changed to one who practiced a very orthodox Salafi interpretation of Islam. It did not allow co-education. Since this was unavoidable at university, I left. Even though I only had one year of studying before graduation!
HOT LINKS
Book! Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out
Video of Stoning to Death
Yes, this is about Islam - Salman Rushdie
Statement by Ibn Warraq on the WTC Attacks
Islam: Sex & Violence - Online Book by Anwar Sheikh (former Muslim) Book Review
ARTICLES
Mohammad The Pedophile - Parvin Darabi
Breaking the manacles of Islam
I left Islam in March 2003 when I was 24, about a year after leaving university. Since I dropped out of university I had more time to study Islam. To my horror I came across certain things in the Quran and Sunna which shook my belief in the Quran as a divine book and Muhammad as a prophet. Firstly, Allah’s saying in the Quran that husbands should beat their wives if they are disobedient. Islamic scholars say that beating is a last resort and that the beating should be done in a way that does not cause injury. That doesn’t make it any better though, a beating is a beating! Secondly, Muhammad having sex with Aisha when she was just nine years old. Apologetics say that she had started menstruating so it was ok. But the authentic hadiths show that she was still a child psychologically because she was still playing with dolls. In my view, Muhammad was a pedophile. These were the two main reasons why I left Islam.
Since my apostasy I have shaved off my long beard which I have had since I was 16. It deeply shocked my family and friends to see me clean shaven and no longer praying and reading the Quran regularly so I can imagine their reaction if I tell them I am no longer a Muslim! That is why I am going to keep my apostasy secret from them. At the moment they think I am still a Muslim but just not practicing. Since my apostasy I have re-examined my beliefs about everything. I still hold on to many of the good things I have learnt such as honesty, being just, kind, polite, respect for elders, giving to charity etc. However, I have discarded all the evil and intolerant teachings of Islam and I am re-reading the Quran and Sunna with a very critical eye. Now I am just concentrating on being a good human being and making a positive contribution towards society.
I was very happy to find this web site and others like it. It’s very comforting to know that you are not alone.
Yours faithfully,
Ben Rukhsana (pseudonym)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Random Quran:
"(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" -Quran 47:15 [translation:Yusuf Ali]
CATEGORY:
Carrot and Stick
Suggest a Verse!
Random Hadith:
"Muslims cannot inherit from non-muslims!
Muslim, Book 011, Number 3928:
Usama b. Zaid reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: "A MUSLIM IS NOT ENTITLED TO INHERIT FROM A NON-MUSLIM, and a non-Muslim is not entitled to inherit from a Muslim."
CATEGORY:
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©2003 Apostates of Islam
From: Pee-Boo (@ dial0-301.dialin.uic.edu) on: Sat Dec 20 21:58:31 EST 2003
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Did you know - Quran (4:34) advises a man to beat his wife if she does'nt obey him?
Quran 4:34: Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in their sleeping places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.
[Read more]
Apostate
Ben Rukhsana -
| Contact me |
Testimony
I have been a practicing Muslim since I was a little boy. My parents are what British newspapers would call practicing moderate Muslims, as were their parents. I grew up aspiring to devote my life to Islam by becoming a religious scholar. This ambition seriously affected my social and work life, which is something I deeply regret now. My greatest regret is how Islam affected my academic life. Up till age 16 I was a good student and earned good grades. At 16 I was influenced by Muslims following the Salafi interpretation of Islam. It’s at this time when my interest in studying dropped. I spent most of my time reading Islamic books and going to Islamic lectures, even at the expense of missing my college classes. I completed my course with poor grades but somehow got into university to study law. After one year of law school I was persuaded by friends to drop out and transfer to another university to pursue Arabic language studies with the hope of eventually studying in Madina University in Saudi Arabia. I studied Arabic at university for 3 years including a year studying in an Arab country. Throughout this time my circle of friends changed to one who practiced a very orthodox Salafi interpretation of Islam. It did not allow co-education. Since this was unavoidable at university, I left. Even though I only had one year of studying before graduation!
HOT LINKS
Book! Leaving Islam: Apostates Speak Out
Video of Stoning to Death
Yes, this is about Islam - Salman Rushdie
Statement by Ibn Warraq on the WTC Attacks
Islam: Sex & Violence - Online Book by Anwar Sheikh (former Muslim) Book Review
ARTICLES
Mohammad The Pedophile - Parvin Darabi
Breaking the manacles of Islam
I left Islam in March 2003 when I was 24, about a year after leaving university. Since I dropped out of university I had more time to study Islam. To my horror I came across certain things in the Quran and Sunna which shook my belief in the Quran as a divine book and Muhammad as a prophet. Firstly, Allah’s saying in the Quran that husbands should beat their wives if they are disobedient. Islamic scholars say that beating is a last resort and that the beating should be done in a way that does not cause injury. That doesn’t make it any better though, a beating is a beating! Secondly, Muhammad having sex with Aisha when she was just nine years old. Apologetics say that she had started menstruating so it was ok. But the authentic hadiths show that she was still a child psychologically because she was still playing with dolls. In my view, Muhammad was a pedophile. These were the two main reasons why I left Islam.
Since my apostasy I have shaved off my long beard which I have had since I was 16. It deeply shocked my family and friends to see me clean shaven and no longer praying and reading the Quran regularly so I can imagine their reaction if I tell them I am no longer a Muslim! That is why I am going to keep my apostasy secret from them. At the moment they think I am still a Muslim but just not practicing. Since my apostasy I have re-examined my beliefs about everything. I still hold on to many of the good things I have learnt such as honesty, being just, kind, polite, respect for elders, giving to charity etc. However, I have discarded all the evil and intolerant teachings of Islam and I am re-reading the Quran and Sunna with a very critical eye. Now I am just concentrating on being a good human being and making a positive contribution towards society.
I was very happy to find this web site and others like it. It’s very comforting to know that you are not alone.
Yours faithfully,
Ben Rukhsana (pseudonym)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Random Quran:
"(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)?" -Quran 47:15 [translation:Yusuf Ali]
CATEGORY:
Carrot and Stick
Suggest a Verse!
Random Hadith:
"Muslims cannot inherit from non-muslims!
Muslim, Book 011, Number 3928:
Usama b. Zaid reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: "A MUSLIM IS NOT ENTITLED TO INHERIT FROM A NON-MUSLIM, and a non-Muslim is not entitled to inherit from a Muslim."
CATEGORY:
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on: Sun Dec 21 09:49:28 EST 2003
These country has become heaven for criminals. Our society has become such that no one wants to take risk. For this we can blame our govt and education system. Our govt has made everyone kamchor, muftkhor and ghooskhor by giving over job security. Evey govt machinery is failure and hence we have such incidences. A criminal doesn't fear as such he knows he can buy law or law implementor.
Education is such which teaches us only how to fool others and never teaches how to be brave or work for society. It only teaches how to get a govt job and to become babu. Very shameful.
In this country law never works , because you can buy , negotiate law.
The law is only for mighty, influential and who has some recommendations.
I know how much a constable in Bombay or other metro makes every day , not to talk about police who work to serve himselves not the public.
the very meaning of Public servant in India is changed by corruption and over job security given to bureaucrats who virtually rules country not the politicians, who enjoy country's every facility despite being just 2%.
Future of India is very very very very very very........ dark, i feel like crying, but can't help such corrupt system.
There are hundreds of rapes committed by army, in army camps, border states, in jails, in custody, by crpf, police and for that any matter who has got power or public who has blessings of such corrupt law protectors.
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