Topic started by Ormila (@ 137.207.208.174) on Tue Apr 8 14:58:10 .
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We need to understand why the refusal to apply reason, logic and a set of principles, often not written even when claim they exist.

What would reason, logic and principles mean for some if they were to be applied and what they mean for others when they are not applied.

Points I considered:
a)the written and unwritten constitution where Britain has none written, but wrote that of Canada but was careful to insert a 'Notwithstanding clause'.
b)when one set of people are in dominant positions of power where the absence of reason, logic and principles rule and in the absence of written rules.


I am not trying to play Ghandi. I had very little knowledge of him before my Ordeals in Britain. It is because of my orderls in Britain I got interested in GHandi's principles. All I knew of him before was his position on the 'seven sins' and that he was a great leader.

Responses:

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• From: Ormila (@ lawc1.laws.uwindsor.ca) on: Mon Apr 14 15:08:25 EDT 2003
  
  Shekhar,
  
  How long have you been on this forum?
  
  
• From: Ormila (@ lawc1.laws.uwindsor.ca) on: Mon Apr 14 15:31:02 EDT 2003
  
  From: Shekhar (@ 61.1.142.189) on: Mon Apr 14 02:53:43 EDT 2003
  
  The 'guilty' wll always respond this way. What more evidence do you ask?
  
  
• From: Ellen (@ walker.lib.unf.edu) on: Mon Apr 14 19:25:08 EDT 2003
  
  Shekhar,
  
  very wise. thanks, but do you know, here in the U.S. you defend yourself. You speak for yourself until the other party looses the noodles and then, you think...this really isn't wortht the time. And since I still have perfectly contained noodles in me, I know I am just about at the point at which I may as well take your advice.
  
  thanks very much, Shekhar.
  
  Ormilla, you do not make yourself clear when you declare me guilty. Of course, I see, you have no real reasons. And the story closes.
  
  
• From: Ormila (@ n42.ucce5.uwindsor.ca) on: Tue Apr 15 14:23:28 EDT 2003
  
  Shekhar,
  
  You are obviously having difficulties responding. The first time I came across your name was after Ramadass asked me certain questions on the 'being followed' thread. I could not answer you then and still can't in full, though if you were keeping up with posts, you would have gathered some.
  
  Perhaps I should not even bother to ask you such a question because you know what, they were on the forum long before I came on it 3rd November 2002. They took information from a video in 1996, wanted to verify some, defend themselves on some since they intend to use it at trial and promoted themselves using some. This is why threads like 'Hinduism's effect on the world'; 'why Indian men like and prefer white women' a series of threads from Ellen under different handle and a few others I already pointed out elsewhere, were opened.
  
  Because of these problems I am leaving the forum. See details on the 'fallacies..' thread.
  
  
• From: Elleni (@ c-66-177-115-58.se.client2.attbi.com) on: Thu Apr 17 08:04:44 EDT 2003
  
  I think ormilla is really schizophrenic and crazy. Sorry, but none of her conversations are coherent and very paranoid. Why did I even bother to argue with her about her accusations toward me? She is a lunatic. And there are people who do not yet know this! Does anyone agree? This site is crazy. Full of crazily passionate people with a twisted direction.
  
  Other Indian women, is this a normal way to be?
  
  
• From: once a star - always a star (@ 58-22-31-112.dial.tor1.sprint-canada.net) on: Fri May 23 21:57:03
  
  It is crasy as far as it does not suit your interest and as far as the truth about what went on comes out. No more agents on this forum please!
  
  
• From: Madurai Veeran (@ adsl-64-171-26-35.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) on: Fri May 23 23:33:19 EDT 2003
  
  Ellen:
  
  >>Why did I even bother to argue with her about her accusations toward me?
  
  Good question. Hopefully, you will find the answer one of these days.
  
  >>She is a lunatic.
  
  Nolo contendre.
  
  Anyway, let me tell you a real life story to cheer you up.
  
  Not too long ago, when I was a teenager growing up in India, telephone exchanges were manually operated. If you make a call to someone, a human being at the telephone exchange has to manually route your call by unplugging and plugging in a set of cables. Some of my friends worked at the telephone exchange.
  
  There was one lunatic lady who happened to have the luxury of telephones those days. If you accidentally get connected, she would go on and on, incoherently and would never give you a chance to tell her that it was a wrong connection. First time around, when you get accidentally connected to that lady, you would certainly enjoy the one way conversation - one way because she never let you talk.
  
  What I learnt from my friends at the telelphone exchange was that she was one of chief sources of entertainment in the dull and dreary environs of the manual telephone exchange. When some caller gets upset with the telephone exchange operators and goes ballistic, they would note down the number of the caller and the next time around they would hook him up with our lunatic lady. And that is the way they had their share of fun for the day. Apparently, they had kept list of such loonies for deserving customers.
  
  What is the moral of the story? Imagine yourself the telephone operator and hook up with the nasty ones with the proper people. You know what I mean? Don't you?
  
  Seriously, several people have politely suggested to our friend the need to consult the right kind of doctor. It does'nt look like there is any hope for this case.
  
  
• From: Ellen (@ c-66-177-115-58.se.client2.attbi.com) on: Sat May 24 22:01:58 EDT 2003
  
  Madurai Veeran,
  
  I frankly want to thank you for honesty and for clarifications about a history of encounters I wasn't aware of, being a relatively newcomer.
  
  I will not be posting any longer, due to sufficient amount of traveling and studies that will keep me occupied for good! IOW...extremely busy, busy, busy!!! :)
  
  I'll remember you as a good guy/gal and a mini-episode hero.
  
  Ellen
  
  
• From: Star (@ dial0-015.dialin.uic.edu) on: Mon Mar 22 23:54:50
  
  Good points, Ormila. As always, your argument is first-class.
  
  
• From: Urme (@ 69.158.102.236) on: Wed Mar 24 16:21:16 EST 2004
  
  From: Star (@ dial0-015.dialin.uic.edu) on: Mon Mar 22 23:54:50
  
  
  >>Good points, Ormila. As always, your argument is first-class.<<
  
  Thank you.
  
  I have been an off and on silent reader of FH since since all the abuse, but your comment has brought me back only to remember my first project in Britain as a law student was a "House of lords judgment". It was a first class judgment and none from other student could be compared. The tutor said to me "It was so good, I read it three times". It takes a well reasoned mine to do such work.
  
  However, some times I am misjudged due to the "Undue" pressures I encountered over the years on top of deliberate interferences to undermine me.
  
  Any way, I shall keep on with my promises, to invest my time wisely.
  
  
  
  
• From: Urme (@ 69.158.102.236) on: Wed Mar 24 16:26:30 EST 2004
  
  should be >> ...other students....mind ..
  
  You know my mistakes and you know this is Urme for sure. :)
  
  
• From: sMaRt AleC (@ ) on: Mon Apr 5 13:19:40
  
  Who cares even with the presence of these "essential quantities" we have Chaos.
  
  
  
• From: Idiappam (@ cache138.156ce.maxonline.com.sg) on: Mon Apr 5 13:36:28 EDT 2004
  
  //What happens in the absence of reason, logic and principles //
  
  We get some religions!
  
  
• From: ukw (@ 128.252.181.24) on: Mon Apr 5 16:46:21 EDT 2004
  
  *What happens in the absence of reason, logic and principles*
  
  There is ALWAYS a reason for any HUMAN BEHAVIOR. It may look ABSENT if that person who is searching is DUMB or BLIND.
  
  Logic is based one's EARNED knowledge. So one's LOGIC might look ridiculous to another person if both are in two EXTREMES. One's loogic can not be seen by other e.g. if one is a theist and other one is an atheist. They will look 'blind' and illogical to each other.
  
  Principles: It varies. I know someone who was friendly with a gentleman namely Ramadass and shared photographs and e-mails when they were friends and now they are not in touch with each other. But the former Ramadass's friend is now insulting Ramadass by making very indecent comments about his appearence by ridiculously mistaking that someone else as Ramadass.
  That former R's friend person that others lack principles! I think this R's friend does not know what is friendship or manners or principles are all about. Obviously it is relaive and it changes person to person and one may not see other's principle.
  
  

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