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Delhi mall militants were Pakistanis: Advani
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New Delhi, Nov 4
Two militants killed by police at a New Delhi shopping mall ahead of Diwali were Pakistani nationals, Deputy Prime Minister Lal Krishna Advani said Monday.

Quoted by the Press Trust of India news agency, Advani said the two armed men killed late Sunday were from Pakistan's Gujranwala and Kasur districts.

Police shot dead the two men at the Ansal Plaza shopping complex in the capital, on the eve of Monday's Diwali holiday.

Mr Advani used to blame Pak. for all the problems in India from Kashmir to Kanyakumari.

Our central Govt. was unable to control the militants infiltration and terrorist problems in so many part of our country. Is correct to blame pak instead of tighten our security???????

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• From: AlwaysRight (@ l225ppp163.ksc.net.th) on: Mon Nov 4 10:11:29
  
  //Mr Advani used to blame Pak. for all the problems in India from Kashmir to Kanyakumari//
  
  Hello...(r u an) Indian... Please note that OUR HONOURABLE DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER has got enough proofs for what are all hez saying against Pakistan. Hez not like that mundam Parvez Musharaf. Parvez is the one whoz blaming India for each and every activities. Watch out PTV and read Pakistani's idiotic news papers in the net. Nobody can blame our security system. But anyhow the neighbours dog is getting enter in to our House without our permission. Thatz why our DPM is quoting out
  
  
• From: Indian (@ newgw4.me.iastate.edu) on: Mon Nov 4 18:05:06
  
  pookistan establishment is a pig sh*it establishment
  
  
• From: Indian (@ newgw4.me.iastate.edu) on: Mon Nov 4 18:26:21
  
  Terrorists killed in Delhi shopping mall identified
  
  The two terrorists who were killed in Ansal Plaza shopping mall in Delhi have been identified as Pakistani nationals Daoud Ali Ahmed and Izaz Ahmed, Delhi Police Commissioner R S Gupta said on Monday night.
  
  They belonged to the Lashkar-e-Tayiba, which is backed by the Inter-Services Intelligence, he said.
  
  Sent by the Lashkar's "launching commander" Anzam Cheema to spearhead terrorist operations in India -- mainly in Mumbai and Delhi -- the duo had chosen to strike during an important Hindu festival to spread communal tension, he told Aaj Tak news channel.
  
  Gupta said the identities were established from the three dairies and a mobile phone recovered from their bodies in the parking lot of Ansal Plaza.
  
  While Daoud Ahmed was a native of Bhumba Kalan village, Izaz Ahmed was a resident of Gujaranwala. Cheema is from Bhawalpur in Punjab province, he said.
  
  http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/nov/04delhi1.htm
  
  
• From: Yo (@ web.waldorf.edu) on: Mon Nov 4 19:28:18
  
  Pornography in Ramayana
  
  
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  Section IV
  Oh You Hindu Awake !
  by
  Dr. Chatterjee
  
  
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  This article exposes the insatiable sexual apetite that the Aryan Hindu Gods possessed. This proves that one of the main reasons for forming the insidious religion of Hinduism or Brahmanism was so that sex was available freely to the male Brahmins in the name of Vishnu. As shown in the chapter `Women in Hinduism', the Vedas, Ramayana and Gita justify treating women as mere fuel for fire and an object for sexual gratification. As a result, the Ramyana and other `holy' books seem to have verses that pop up conveniently so that the Gods can justify perverted secual actions with animals, female relatives, and other men.
  
  PORNOGRAPHY IN RAMAYANA
  Pornography is replete in the Ramayana, especially in the older unedited versions. The oldest Ramayanas are in fact Buddhist versions, and they preserve much of the true character of the vicious Rama and his adulterous wife Sita. Much of this material was later on deleted by the Brahmin crooks, so one must go to the older Ramayanas in order to uncover the truth. Thus, Dr. Charles claims that Ramayana contains much pornographic material and cannot be read in public. He gives the following examples:
  
  
  Rama's description of Sita's beauty is lewdly detailed and full of obscene details (refer to C.R. Srinivasalyengar's translation of Aranya Kandam - chapter 46).
  This shows the truly lecherous nature of Rama, who considered women as mere sexual objects.
  
  
  In Kiskind Kandam, the `great' Rama of the `wonderful' religion of Hinduism explains to Lakshmana in graphic details his sexual experience with Sita.
  This shows that Rama was a pornographer and lecher to boot. Not only did he seduce Sita, but had to tell the whole world about it ! He viewed marriage simply as a means of fulfilment of base passions. The intelligence, her virtues and personality do not count.
  
  
  According to Ramayana, the Aryans (Brahmins) used to drink liquor (of nine different kinds), eat meat, marry many wives and prostitution was an accepted way of life amongst the priests and gods.
  This proves that, even during the Ramayanic era of the Brahmanic Dark Ages, the `noble' Aryan Hindus lived in the manner of the animals with whom they shared the jungles.
  
  
  Ramayana also recounts the "story of King Dasharatha who, in order to have a baby son, made a big sacrifice (yagnam) of sheep, cattle, horses, birds and snakes. He then delivered his three wives Kaushaliya, Sumatirai and Kaikeyi to three priests. These holy men, having fully satisfied their carnal desire, returned the ladies to the King. By this means, the King was able to have three sons - Ram, Lakshman and Bharat" (Bala Kandam, Chapter 14. For more details on yagnam, refer to the book "Gnana Surian", published by Kudi Arasu Press).
  This shows the truly cheap nature of Rama's immoral father. He was willing to prostitute his wives merely in order to gain personal benefits ! The `great king' Rama's father was merely a lowly pimp who handed his wives over to whosoever could fulfill his selfish needs !
  
  
  The handing over of Rama's mother to the three disciples occurred after the Vedic horse sacrifice (ashwamedha), in which Rama's mother copulated with the dead horse in accordance with Vedic Hindu requirements.
  This example shows the truly debauched nature of Rama's whoring mother. Why did she have to have intercourse with a dead horse ? Would not a living horse do ?
  
  
  The Ramayan tells us much about the unlawful relationship of incest (Please refer to Aranya Kandam, chapter 45, verses 122, 123, 124 & 125). Incest is the prime speciality of Hinduism; thus Brahma had intercourse with his own daughter Sarasvat; and even Sita is, in the older Buddhist and more authentic versions of the Ramayana, the sister of Rama.
  One may ask, why are such perversions as incest, beastiality prevalent in Hinduism, and in fact sanctioned in Hindu scriptures ? The answer is that the Brahmin imposed a strict sense of `brahmacarya' (ascetism) onto a previously Aryan barbarian society. As a result, common Aryans could not satisfy their urges in normal and healty manners and were thus forced to resort to perversions such as incest, zoophilia, etc.
  The following Hindu practices will reveal how immorality and indecency are sanctified in the name of Hinduism.
  
  LINGAM & YONI
  Lingam and Yoni are the male and female sexual organs respectively. Hindus are allowed to worship anything - including sexual organs. It is not unknown for them to name their children Shiva Lingam (God Shiva's sexual organ) or Rama Lingam (God Rama's sexual organ). (In some places in Karnataka, the gods demand both male and females to pray naked together.)
  This practice is not so much a survival of pre-Brahmanic Saiva religion, but arose as a means of Brahmins ensuring a constant supply of lower-caste women to satisfy their lecherous needs. The Brahmins, who possessed absolute power over all other races, lived a life of constant debauchery, raping the non-Brahmin women and forcing them into prostitution.
  
  DEVADASI (RELGIOUS PROSTITUTION)
  The Devadasi system was set up, according to a Times of India report (10-1 1 -87) as a result of a conspiracy between the feudal class (pseudo-secular word for `Rajputs') and the priests (pseudo-secular word for `Brahmins'). The latter, with their ideological and religious hold over the peasants and craftsmen, devised a means that gave prostitution their religious sanction. Poor, low-caste girls, initally sold at private auctions, were later dedicated to the temples. They were then initiated into prostitution.
  Thus Devadasism is a system of legalised rape, enforced prostitution and sexual expoitation of Black Sudra women by Brahmin men. Moreover, by raping Sudra women the Brahmins could breed a new mixed race of middle castes which would serve to divide the Sudras !
  
  BHARAT NATYAM & THE BRAHMINS
  The Bharat Natyam is a dance performance which, because of the Brahmin media, has gained much recognition as a form of art. However, the origin of this dance lies in the Brahmins abducting low-caste women, raping them and forcing them to become prostitutes in order to earn money. As part of the captured womens' training as `Devadasis', they were required to learn the Bharatnatyam. The celebrated Bharat Natya expert, Rukmini Devi, admits in a National Geographic video programme, that the Baratha Natya was really the art of Devadasis (temple prostitutes) to please their audience and admirers. This is the reason why you might have seen various Baratha Natya's postures in Hindu temples. The Bharat Natya helped the poor low-caste women who had been raped and incarcarated by the Brahmins, to attract customers and eke out a living. To top it all, the cunning Brahmins took most of her earnings too ! Maybe like the art of KARATE to the Japanese, the BHARAT NATYAM is a shameful national art of the Brahmins and very much part of their culture.
  Whilst Sudra women were shamefully exposed to the views of the lecherous Aryan male, the Brahmin females were locked up in a life of seclusion ! That is why Sudra women in Kerala were, down to the 20th century forbidden from wearing bodices or any form of upper body-garment which the Aryan women were forced to wear. The Sudra women thus had to appear top-less in order to satisfy the voyeuristic desires of the ogling Brahmin males !
  
  THE KAMASUTRA
  Brahminism has also created Kamasutra -a set of instructions on how to have sexual intercourse. Some of the postures detailed in Kamasutra are so complex that they can only be performed with the help of one or more ASSISTANTS!
  
  The Kamasutra was written in one of the Devadasi temples, those brothels where Sudra women were forced to a life of prostitution by their Brahmin captors. It is in these brothel-temples that Sanskrit, that hybrid mongrel language descended from the Old Indo-Aryan tribal tongues and the Sudric (Dravidian & Kolarian) languages.
  
  THE DEVADASI SYSTEM THRIVES
  UNI. - TIMES OF INDIA - 10th Nov. 1987: confirms that the practice of dedicating young Harijan girls (Mahars, Mangs, Dowris and Chambhar) at childhood to a goddess, and their initiation into prostitution when they attain puberty continues to thrive in Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh and other parts of South India. This is largely due to social backwardness, poverty and illiteracy, according to a study by two doctors of the India Health Organisation.
  The report clearly indicates that the Devadasi system was the result of a conspiracy between the feudal class and the priests (Brahmins), who with their ideological and religious hold over the peasants and craftsmen, devised a practice which acquired religious sanction. They noted in their study on - "Devadasis - the link between religious culture and child prostitution".
  
  The study revealed that girls from poor families were sold after puberty at private auctions to a master who initially paid a sum of money to the families ranging from Rs. 500 to 5000.
  
  The study, made during health camps organised by the World Health Organisation (WHO) in the devadasi populated areas, revealed that the dedicated girls formed 15 percent of the total women involved in prostitution in the country, and as much as 70 percent to 80 percent of the prostitutes in the border districts of Karnataka and Maharashtra.
  
  This shows the extent to which the lecherous Brahmins raped and exploited the Negroid Sudra women of South India.
  
  THE NAKED HINDU YOGIS OF KASHI
  Many of the Yogis of Kashi (Banaras) live naked and beg for their living. They live in dirty, unhygienic conditions, and drug addiction is rife among them.
  Our so-called leaders and intellectuals have all contributed to the superstitious beliefs and they have helped these saints to thrive and practise deceptive methods to cheat the public. It is an utter shame that among the worshippers of such naked godmen, there are a number of high court judges, advocates, engineers, doctors, professors, politicians, cinema actors and actresses.
  
  For more details on these Hindu saints and Yogis, watch the documentary video - "SHOCKING ASIA" - which is available from the following addresses: Atlas International Film GMBH, Munich, W. Germany. Replay Video, London, G. Britain. Distribution First Film Organisation, Hong Kong.
  
  STARK NAKED BATHS!
  AGENCIES News Agency reports on 23-9-87 that at Kurushetra (India) about 1,000 NAKED Hindu "Sadhus" (saints) plunged themselves into the river during a solar eclipse, claiming this to be a "holy dip". Over one million pilgrims, naked and semi- naked, both male and female, also followed them into the river. The largest of the pools is Brahmasarovar, and is said to accommodate 100,000 bathers at a time. There was still no room for everyone in the water at one time and there was much pushing and shoving. The huge crowds waiting on the banks barely had space to turn around. People crowded the shore waiting for their chance. This is the position of "holy dip" everywhere in India. A Haryana Government spokesman said that they posted 20,000 policemen to avoid misuse of this mixing opportunity for perverted reasons.
  The reason why the Brahmins walk naked is that they could more easily force the lower castes to consume their urine and dung; the Brahmins could also more easily rape lower-caste women. Thus, when Brahmins walk along the road, they stop at intervals in order to relieve themselves, when their disciples immediately crowd around to obtain a piece of `holy' excrement in order to consume it. If a Brahmin decides to copulate with any low-caste woman he sees, he immediately rapes her in public without any fear of retribution. These disorders were put down by the British in the bigger cities, but they continue in the rural countryside.
  
  For those who don't know why the Brahmins forced the Sudras and other lower castes to consume dung and urine is that by this means, diseases and ailments would develop among the Sudras. Thus, the non-Brahmins would suffer from perpetual diseases and death. In addition, it reminded the Sudras of their `rightful and correct' place in Hinduism - namely, as the animal slaves of the Brahmins. Maybe, even animals were treated better than Sudroids.
  
  In addition to this spectacle, the pilgrims also look directly at the sun with the naked eye. Scientists and doctors strongly advise against this as it is likely to cause blindness.
  
  The reason why the Brahmins encouraged the low-caste people to look at the Sun is that they desired to blind them into sightless slavery. Due to Brahmin brainwashing, a large fraction of the population became blind by staring at the Sun, thereby becoming further degraded in status and posing no threat to the evil Brahmanism.
  
  THE MIRACLE MAN
  DPA News (6-1 1 -86) reports that Police have arrested a "miracle man" in the Western India city of Prune for raping a number of women, on the pretext of solving their troubles, by making them sit naked before an idol which was supposed to render "divine advice". He would hold a blank sheet of paper over a fire on which written words would appear. He would then convince the women to have sex with him on the strength of the "miracle". Police discovered that his "divine advance" was nothing but a simple chemical trick by which words written on paper with invisible ink became legible when held over a flame.
  HOW RISHIS WERE CREATED?
  According to the Hindu Holy books, God Brahma arranged the marriage of god Shiva to goddess Parvathi. When they went around the fire as per Hindu religious ritual, god Shiva looked at the thighs of goddess Parvathi and ejaculated his semen into the Fire and they became Rishis (priests). According to the Hindu Puranas this "god" can do such a filthy act!
  SEX WITH COWS
  In many Hindu temples there are sculptures depicting men having sex not only with women but also cows. What is the meaning of this? Is not the cow sacred? If it is, then it should be worshipped not sexually assaulted!
  The answer is that the low-caste people were so frustrated because the Brahmins had abducted all their women as Devadasis that they had to satisfy their desires with cows. Whilst the Brahmins were busy raping their women, the Sudra men had to copulate with cows !
  
  RAMAYANA IS THE CULTURE OF ARYANS (BRAHMINS)!
  Dr. Charles claims that the Ramayana is nothing but the culture and way of life of the Aryans (Brahmins) which is still having a great impact on present day India. According to Ramayana, the Aryans (Brahmins) used to drink liquor, used to eat meat, used to have many wives, and prostitution was a way of life to the Rishis (Priests) and even the gods. This was true to the barbaric Aryan way of life.
  The concept of "re-incarnation" or avtar is the bed-rock of the Hindu belief. Rama, Vishu, Hanuman etc ... are all believed to be avtars. But according to Hindu scholar Kshiti Mohan Sen, there is nothing in the Vedas to support this belief! Rather, it is an Aryan / Chinese concept that may have crept into the Hindu thoughts. This shakes the whole foundation of Hinduism!
  
  "Hindus accept many incarnations of God. While some Hindus take the doctrine literally and accept figures like Rama, Krishna, and Buddha as actual incarnation, others prefer to treat it as a useful myth.
  
  The origin of the concept of avatara is obscure. It cannot be found in the Vedas, but it is possible that it came from the Aryan settlers in Iran. The idea of discontinuous incarnations can be found in the Bahram Yasht, which forms part of the Zoroastrian corpus, where incarnations of the deity Verethragna can be seen. According to another theory, the concept originated in central Asia, as the Bahram Yasht shows traces of Chinese influence and mythology. In none of these beliefs, however, does the concept play as important a part as it does in post- Vedic Hindu thought, particularly that of the epics, Ranayana and Mahabharata.
  
  And the reason why it forms an integral part of Brahmanism is that it sanctions the inhuman slavery to Brahmins in Hinduism. Since the lowe-caste persons had committed sins in their previous lives, the Brahmins were justly punishing them ! This form of mental pollution served to further buttress the legalised slavery to Brahmins that is Hinduism.
  
  HOW HOLY IS THE COW?
  The origin of the holiness of the cow in popular Hinduism is not quite certain. The Aryans loved to eat beef, though they seem to have admired the cow as a very useful animal. However, now the Hindu even goes to the extent of drinking the urine of the cow. How come ?
  The reason why Hindus drink cow's urine and eat cow-dung is that the Brahmins have enacted laws which force the non-Brahmins, especially the Sudroid Blacks, to eat not only cow-dung and drink cow-urine, but the urine and excreta of Brahmin males as well. These laws and customs show the abject depth to which the Brahmins had crushed the non-Brahmins. So lowly and animal-like was the status of the Sudras that they even had to consume the urine and dung of their Brahmin masters ! Nowhere on the face of the earth, not even during the darkest days of slavery in the US South, or apartheid in South Africa, did a race of masters inflict a more dehumanising tyranny over a subject population.
  
  
  
  
  
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• From: muthu (@ 97.houston-11rh16rt.tx.dial-access.att.net) on: Thu Nov 7 02:47:29
  
  http://www.geocities.com/tamiltribune/99/0902.html
  
  
• From: manidan (@ 165.21.83.198) on: Thu Nov 7 11:04:13
  
  Its an another proof to confirm Ex. Pakistani is great liar.
  http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=34320
  
  These symptoms don’t match encounter: Doc
  
  Express News Service
  New Delhi, November 6: AN EYEWITNESS at the Ansal Plaza encounter has alleged that there was no encounter and that the two alleged terrorists were simply shot dead by police.
  
  
  The eyewitness, cancer specialist and gynaecologist Dr Hari Krishna, has not yet approached police with his version.
  
  ‘‘I am not scared of telling the truth,’’ he says before recounting his version of the encounter. He adds: ‘‘The only thing I am scared of is that I will be shot. Then what will happen to my wife and children.’’
  
  On Sunday evening, the doctor reached the plaza’s basement parking lot at ‘‘around 6.45 pm,’’ he says.
  
  As their car reached the entrance of the parking lot, they were stopped by security guards posted there. ‘‘There was a long queue of cars behind us. But my driver headed towards the basement car parking. The security guards who were diverting the traffic looked like people from Intelligence Bureau. They tried to stop the car, but my driver sped on. Seeing the doctor’s sticker on the car’s glass pane, they must have thought I was a part of the team, so they didn’t follow us,’’ he recounts.
  
  ‘‘We stopped at the parking lot and another car came behind us and stopped. At that time, there were only about five to six people there, all dressed in civil clothes. There was no one in police uniform. The two men got out of the car and started walking, when all of a sudden there was firing. I saw the two men fall to the ground. There must have been at least 30 to 35 gun shots,’’ he says.
  
  Dr Hari Krishna firmly states that there ‘‘was no cross-fire’’. ‘‘All of a sudden, more than 30 people poured into the basement,’’ he said, refusing to talk further and insisting that the reporter call up in 10 minutes. After that, the reporter was informed that the doctor had gone out.
  
  This evening, the doctor was not at home. Express Newsline could not contact him either on the phone or at his residence in M-block, GK II. His neighbours said that he was unavailable to mediamen who came to the house throughout the day.
  
  Joint Commissioner (Special Cell) Neeraj Kumar said the doctor was more than welcome to meet him or Police Commissioner R.S.Gupta. He said that the police had already culled out 15-16 eyewitnesses who had been quoted by the media.
  
  NHRC seeks report within one week
  NATIONAL Human Rights Commission (NHRC) chairman Justice J.S. Verma has asked Delhi Police to file a detailed report on the Ansal Plaza encounter within one week.
  
  The Commission took up the case today after columnist Praful Bidwai and former Rajya Sabha member Kuldip Nayyar urged it to investigate ‘‘the so-called Ansal shoot-out and to provide protection to eyewitness Dr Hari Krishna’’.
  
  The NHRC has issued urgent notice to the Commissioner of Police, Special Cell’s DCP Ashok Chand and ACP Rajbir Singh. It has also ordered police to give immediate protection to the doctor and his family.
  
  Apart from this, the NHRC has directed its Director General, Investigation to interact with the Commissioner of Police in order to ensure compliance of its orders.
  
  Bidwai said that they were very concerned with the report that appeared in a daily as the encounter death seems ‘‘unacceptable’’ and it involves a ‘‘serious violation of human rights’’. ‘‘There are too many cases of fake encounters and the witness in this one is feeling threatened by the police,’’ said Bidwai. Reacting to the NHRC order, Nayyar said: ‘‘This was a step in the right direction.’’
  
  The petition states: ‘‘We are very concerned about the report, which appears credible, ...In short, the entire episode has all the trappings of a staged encounter, which is eminently the domain of this Commission. We request this Commission to institute a full inquiry into the matter, direct appropriate protection to the eyewitness H. Krishna and a recording of his version by the NHRC.’’
  
  They have also gone on to state in their petition that they believe that ‘‘Hari Krishna is missing from his residence.’’ They have also urged that ACP Rajbir Singh and DCP Ashok Chand ‘‘who are running the Special Cell that is behind this operation,’’ be transferred.
  
  The petitioners have alluded to the ‘‘dangers of the police and the Home Ministry so completely exceeding themselves as to actually create unnecessary terror and consider the extinguishing of human life a simple matter for their own ends’’.
  
  Bidwai added ‘‘that this should serve as a warning to police officers in the larger interest of society that all the facts come to light’’. ‘‘We need an objective investigation into the matter,’’ said Bidwai.
  
  
  
  

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