Topic started by ARUN (@ luna.theplanet.net.au) on Tue Jan 8 05:59:09 .
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There is an enormous difference between north and south indians. South are often 'low' in north indian opinion. North utilises our resources and productivity, but returns nothing but a barracking boundary. There is obiously an unofficial country boundary between north and south india. South India, constituting the Dravidian states of Tamilnadu,Andhra Pradesh and the 2 Ks, should undeniably separate with 100%reason.

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• From: vikrant (@ 67-115-155-132.sfpl.org) on: Sat Jul 3 18:39:54 EDT 2004
  
  It is ridiculous to compare the civil war in america to the independence movement of dravidian states in india.
  
  Because the dravidian states are the most prosperous state in the country and we are providing the core junk of GDP.It won't effect us if the low level hindians are kicked out from our place.Statitics show that our region have a potential to become a economic super power. We do not need so much military strength because we believe in peace and fraternity, but you know most of the nuclear scientist are from south so it would not be a problem for us to develop nuclear weapon instantly.
  
  So long live our southern union, deccan union. We should not liberate our british identity of india.
  
  Jai karnataka, tamil nadu, andra, kerala
  
  bharat murdabad
  
  
• From: sze (@ 000f660dd37e.utep.edu) on: Sat Aug 14 13:42:43
  
  lol why do u fight between north and south when both are so interelated to each other.I dont know which moron said that both have much differences. The only difference that is evident is the language difference.
  Big deal even southies can begin talking in hindi and there will no be any difference then
  
  
• From: davie (@ 000f660dd37e.utep.edu) on: Sat Aug 14 13:52:34 EDT 2004
  
  and kumar as u told "just go back to africa or somalia"
  it implies certain things.
  first of u all u have a thinking that indians are related to africans.
  Well the reply comes from a guy who has a 100 times more IQ than u.
  Dravidian civilization guys are no way related to africa, infact their civiliztion originated in the mediterranean.
  who is related to africa?
  Europeans are.
  
  All these thinkings arise only because of the color.
  There may be very few indiginosu people in india (less than 1%), but most of indians belong to caucasian race i mean just the same race as the aryan race. ( i think even those indiginious guys too)
  
  
  
• From: Neerajan (@ 203.31.216.250.tigris01.syd.pyr.oktiv.net) on: Tue Aug 17 20:41:30 EDT 2004
  
  What kind of a silly question is that?
  OF COURSE WE SHOULD SEPARATE
  If india could separate based on religion, then it has every right to separate based on race. We South Indians are the purest of Indians, and with all this intermixing bul1shit with north indians, we're gonna lose our purity. We gotta reinforce our pure divine soul and establish our own country away from the mixed races in the north.
  "we r spiritually elevated from north indians. we can sit in the warm south indian sun and meditate with peace for hours, without getting a rash or sun burn - just a beautiful brown tan. further, we are mentally much stronger...we dont go all crazy jus because we're becomin dark like northies do...we're smart enough to realise that we r naturally meant to tan, and that the sun's good for u."
  
  
• From: Neerajan (@ 203.31.216.250.tigris01.syd.pyr.oktiv.net) on: Tue Aug 17 20:41:57 EDT 2004
  
  Got that from another source, and I 100% agree with it. I too believe that we have been blessed by god to be born the way we are. We can spiritually elevate ourselves in the sun for hours without having the physical distraction of skin iritation, or the mental psychotic condition of feeling that you are becoming uglier.
  Seriously..we don't want to see our race developing a big ugly curved chunky arab nose like north indians have, nor do we wanna lose our intelligent brains and rely purely on hardwork and deceit. We must stay the way we are born...afterall, we are born in the south for a reason, and that's not to lose our purity and spiritual elevation.
  
  
• From: R.K. Naidu (@ ohiyo-1.border26.nyc.pnap.net) on: Tue Aug 17 21:15:23 EDT 2004
  
  Most Indian in every part of India are pure aryans. No race difference exists between North and South. Colour varies due to climate. The skin-heads are scared of Indians. Only the weak Indians are scared of and admire the skinheads.
  
  
• From: kumar (@ bmkc1svproxy01.butlermfg.net) on: Mon Aug 23 17:59:43 EDT 2004
  
  Hi Davie,
  
  I don't want to get personnel but check your IQ. I might be 100 times less to you. But I can say one thing, the color, hair and bone formation all changes according to the place you stay (probably in thou years). I didn't say dravidians equal to africans because of the color, even I am a dark dravidian. I am just talking about history.
  
  The first trace of a human being is found in africa, that might be a million years back, before that god nows, but as of today we all belong from there.
  
  So don't think that your IQ is too good. please go to a doctor to check your knee.
  
  Sorry for the language, you made me do this.
  
  Thanks
  Phani
  
  
• From: bhupesh (@ 202.88.240.224) on: Mon Aug 30 12:47:55 EDT 2004
  
  
  Hi everybody,
  I read all the responses...I some what agree with your opinion..But we must not become an ideological puppet of English men.They first divided us in the name of religion then they virtually divided us in the name of races so that this rubish doctrine aryan and dravidians clans will remain in our heart so that this will hinder further development of our nation..Any way the best policy that we indians should follow is fused pot policy ie we should work irrespective of the race to make india a world power..Also we dravidians also cannot claim that we are the real peoples of india b'couz the archaeological surveys sujjest that dravidians came from african main lands...
  
  
  
  
• From: tommy (@ cache-rtc-aa06.proxy.aol.com) on: Fri Sep 10 14:31:17
  
  I think it is high time South India divided.
  If you don't know about northern racism, then just go north and see what its like. It feels the same way that a north indian feels when he goes to the usa and UK.
  Another matter; The south is driving our economy. We can do twenty times better without them. Andhra, Tamil nadu, Karnataka and Kerala. We are brothers and truth is we have nothing in common with those people
  
  
• From: Sandeep (@ inet02.unilever.com) on: Fri Sep 10 14:57:40 EDT 2004
  
  The northern states have been under british rule for longer time than south. This accounds to the economical and educational backwarkness of north. we south indians have the responcibily to help them.
  
  Then about Northern racism. Your brother may be wrong but that doesnt mean you leave them. We have to continue to be more competative and make them want to be like us.
  
  Let us show that we are economically, educationaly better and have better human values. Then they have relent and accept it
  
  
• From: kumar (@ corpproxy1.butlermfg.org) on: Mon Sep 13 15:37:18 EDT 2004
  
  Forget about karnataka, They already are a different country (The rule the water that flows thru)
  
  
• From: tommy (@ cache-dtc-ae09.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Sep 14 13:36:08 EDT 2004
  
  you know. if we feel isolated, then just imagine what it feels like to be a part of mizoram, nagaland, manipur. all those states are being used by the central gov as a vote bank. when they leave india, they can't even claim to be indian because they look mongloid. nevertheless, their people are are all educated, and some of the nicest people i have ever met. if u ask me i think every state should be allowed to grow on its own with a common military and seperate economies. that way, other states do not have to bear the burden of the cowbelters
  
  
• From: sats (@ hboc.com) on: Tue Sep 14 15:54:23 EDT 2004
  
  Sandeep
  
  You are wrong , it is south that has been under the british for the long time. for that matter chennai was founded by the british in the south.
  
  
• From: sats (@ hboc.com) on: Tue Sep 14 15:54:29 EDT 2004
  
  Sandeep
  
  You are wrong , it is south that has been under the british for the long time. for that matter chennai was founded by the british in the south.
  
  
• From: tamil (@ 138.206.161.194) on: Fri Sep 17 02:02:53 EDT 2004
  
  yes agree south was under british long than north.. BUT WHO WAS UNDER MUSLIM RULE FOR MORE THAN 800 YEARS..
  
  ITS NORTH AND ONLY NORTH.. south was under muslims only for less than 50 years
  
  
• From: tamil (@ 138.206.161.194) on: Fri Sep 17 02:03:13 EDT 2004
  
  yes agree south was under british long than north.. BUT WHO WAS UNDER MUSLIM RULE FOR MORE THAN 800 YEARS..
  
  ITS NORTH AND ONLY NORTH.. south was under muslims only for less than 50 years
  
  
• From: mayman1 (@ ppp12-230.dsl-mum.eth.net) on: Fri Sep 17 05:09:38 EDT 2004
  
  Dravidians are the original inhabitants of India.
  when people from far north-west i.e.Afghanistan and when even Germans at some time invaded India,that time there were only Dravidians in whole of India & also in North.
  But because dravidians were not physically well built and not very well prepared nevertheless they resisted bravely but gradually they were defeated and by consistent attacks from these people the dravidians have to move down South.
  
  
• From: Surya (@ adsl-66-127-242-215.dsl.sntc01.pacbell.net) on: Fri Sep 17 20:49:32 EDT 2004
  
  This Ayran Dravidian divide is silly!
  Visit this link.
  http://www.forumhub.com/expr/20796.20.56.03.html
  
  
• From: mayman1 (@ ppp12-230.dsl-mum.eth.net) on: Sat Sep 18 10:09:49 EDT 2004
  
  Though this Aryan Dravidian divide is silly many have accepted it because many of our Indian historians have agreed to what foreign historians have said.
  Actually our Indian historians have not made many original research work on history and have accepted what foreigners, i.e. what is going on in our house that we have to know from foreigners.
  
  Many foreigners have wrongly researched and misled us and that we have accepted gladly at that time (i.e.during independence or preindependence people were not very alert or cautious or well organised to know or deal with of what foreigners were doing).
  And it is very very difficult to interpret from our shastras the exact situations at that time, so instead of listening to historians,experts,intellectuals we should listen to Realised souls i.e. Sants, because even the mind of intellectuals is clouded and they always contradict their own findings
  
  
  
• From: Surya (@ c-67-174-250-97.client.comcast.net) on: Sat Sep 18 15:32:54 EDT 2004
  
  Good post Mayman1.
  
  
• From: Teriberka (@ c-67-173-77-91.client.comcast.net) on: Sat Oct 2 22:50:57
  
  I agree that those in the North are hurting our country, What would our new country be called? Dravidia?
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-12.singnet.com.sg) on: Fri Oct 8 12:33:47 EDT 2004
  
  "The end does not justify the means. No one’s rights can be secured by the violation of the rights of others.
  - Ayn Rand"
  
  All those who voted FOR a Dravida country here, please tell me if the so-called Dravida country will profess ideal values and provide equality of rights to every single individual of that nation. If any one Prez / PM of the future Dravida country can do that, then I vote FOR it. The easiest thing to do is 2 speak, the hard part is to actually do it and the hardest is to sustain. Human tendencies are wht v know v.well, not fighting over boundries is impossible, its in our DNA, its our nature -no one is right or wrong, we r biologically programmed / designed to think that property is meant to b defended not shared. Well, so u know where my vote goes.....
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-12.singnet.com.sg) on: Fri Oct 8 12:37:04 EDT 2004
  
  "The love of one's country is a splendid thing. But why should love stop at the border?
  - Pablo Casals"
  
  Depending on how u'd like 2 think, u can make out the proverb as either 1) an aggressive statement; or 2) a loving statement.
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-12.singnet.com.sg) on: Fri Oct 8 12:38:38 EDT 2004
  
  Every truth has two sides; it is well to look at both, before we commit ourselves to either. - Aesop
  
  
• From: Comments (@ adsl-68-88-254-19.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) on: Sat Oct 9 22:27:29 EDT 2004
  
  Karnataka won't even give water to TN. What's the point of splitting into a separate country?
  
  
• From: Yash (@ popl-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Fri Oct 15 19:42:49 EDT 2004
  
  When I was in Japan last year (had good, free net) , I got introduced to this topic. Now in London again I have time and net on my side. While I am not competent to reply to all points raised here, somebody has done it, and god, BRILLIANTLY. Will paste the link at the end. Bookmark the same and distribute to as many people as possible (I'm NO WAY connected to the site or the author)
  
  The idea of this post is to draw a larger line (why India is a time immemorial civilisation and therefore one country, one people) before narrow line ( north vs south etc.). Can't help making one point - if economic prosperity is the basis of a nationhood then Maharashtra and Gujarat should form one country as they would not like to join an inferior country like Dravidistn.
  
  Looking for feedback on this. http://www.sulekha.com/expressions/column.asp?cid=305879
  
  
• From: happyindian (@ bbcache-15.singnet.com.sg) on: Sat Oct 16 01:47:01 EDT 2004
  
  Very true, nice article, thanx 4 the link. Maharashtra and Gujrat are the most prosperous industrial states in India, while Punjab is rich in the agricultural sector made fertile by 5 massive rivers and lush greenary. Southern states are bcoming rich only now (past 10-15 yrs) bcoz of software and educational institutions. Karnataka has the max academic institutions in the country. Tamilnadu has always had bad water problems and v.little rains (why?). Kerala is the only fertile place left in the South. Well, to me that's the theory of what a nation means. What one lacks is compensated by the other. We all know this: united we stand, divided we fall; or rather divided we can't survive.
  
  

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