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What is the difference and is there any?
Knowledge + understanding and wisdom + many years lead to it?

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• From: pradheep (@ frfd-01-0993.dsl.iowatelecom.net) on: Sun Sep 5 09:44:01 EDT 2004
  
  The moment he shifts in looking for details in the dream, he is no longer the dreamer , but becomes the dream itself. That’s why a dreamer does not look for dream details but just remain aware of the dream which is the real fun of having the dream. If he goes for the details he becomes the dream and undergoes the suffering or happiness of the events in the dream. A dreamer has to remain awareful of the dream and not of the dream events. To be aware of the dream is more important to the dreamer rather than the events, which he knows is not real. The perception of the reality changes the moment he ceases to be aware of the dream and becomes the dream itself.
  
  
• From: pradheep (@ frfd-01-0993.dsl.iowatelecom.net) on: Sun Sep 5 09:44:21 EDT 2004
  
  A dreamer does not wish to see minor details but simply enjoys the show of the dream and be aware of the dream. To make you understand more clearly , I have to give you another example of you going and watching a movie in a cinema hall. The moment you shift your awareness of watching the movie to counting the number of popcorns you have in the bag or see how many trans fat molecules and cis fat molecules are there sticking on the popcorn…or when you start to count the number of grass in the scene where the hero walks in the park….or just immersed in the thought of calculating the velocity of the light coming out of the small hole in the opposite side of the screen and the heat generated in the projector machine while projecting the movie or the taking the statistics of how many had a shampoo bath before coming to see the movie…..All these would distract the awareness of watching the movie with “fun” to just a person who has lost the whole purpose of coming to watch the show.
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Sun Sep 5 09:48:15 EDT 2004
  
  Dear Pradheep here is one more character for your dreams. His name, as you can read on your screen, is happyindian and he is arguing against Mr(?) ukchritian and asking him to define his "God" for you, which Mr(?) ukchritian already has, i.e the one having ears, mouth, eyes, ability to respond and willingness to show you who exactly “He” is.
  
  Please continue to have fun with both. Though you see me in your dreams, I am able to watch you from outside your dreams, and not going to wake you up.
  
  
• From: pradheep (@ frfd-01-0993.dsl.iowatelecom.net) on: Sun Sep 5 09:48:58 EDT 2004
  
  God is a concept my friend. till you know what that word implies, it is a mystery for you to either support it or disprove it. I know what that word God implies. There is no "God" or "Gods". What I mean by that there is no God who is a male or a female or a hermophrodite who is sitting somewhere in the so called heavens and controlling our actions. I have repeatedly written this in this forum.
  
  
• From: pradheep (@ frfd-01-0993.dsl.iowatelecom.net) on: Sun Sep 5 09:50:57 EDT 2004
  
  >>>I am able to watch you from outside your dreams, and not going to wake you up.>>>>
  
  How can you watch me , when you are in my dream rohit. When you are a "character" in my dream how can you know me, the dreamer, let alone trying to wake me up.
  
  
• From: pradheep (@ frfd-01-0993.dsl.iowatelecom.net) on: Sun Sep 5 09:54:25 EDT 2004
  
  In my dream world, I have created characters who do understand about the dream and the dreamer (me) and I characters who deny me, and characters who have a totally different view of me and wage wars on that issue. All these are characters in my dream and I am aware of my dream.
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Sun Sep 5 10:09:36 EDT 2004
  
  >>I have to give you another example of you going and watching a movie in a cinema hall.
  
  See you miserably failed the test. Why do you have to give examples to your dreams and why do you take them so seriously and attempt such examples? Poor Pradheep seems to be waking up and now talking about films, which I hardly watch and you are again unaware of that reality.
  
  Please answer the test questions; or else honourably accept your unawareness of zillions of things. As you might like to know, your dream world and the awareness are mutually exclusive. They can’t coexist concurrently.
  
  [Your Dream World] (XOR) [Explicit Awareness]
  
  I will tell you more about many things that are Mutually Exclusive. Meanwhile one case is enough for you to make aware of many things that you are unaware of. And exactly that is the first step to make you aware of your dreams that they are just dreams and nothing else as you are unaware of many things.
  
  
• From: pradheep (@ frfd-01-0993.dsl.iowatelecom.net) on: Sun Sep 5 10:19:22 EDT 2004
  
  >>>Why do you have to give examples to your dreams>>>
  
  why does one give example?. when the actual words does not convey the message an example is needed. example is not needed when someone know what it is. I dont need to explain you with examples what a car is or an orange or a tiger is like.
  I have to use examples because you do nto understand the message I am trying to convey and so through exmaples I am "trying" to make you understand. If you get it or not get it depends on your intellect. If you are caught up with a concept like the people who have a concept of "GOD" as a guy sitting in heaven, you can never get to the "reality".
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Sun Sep 5 10:21:57 EDT 2004
  
  Of course my friend Pradheep! Please don’t be upsets by my blunt remarks. You are simply implying that you have created your father and your mother in your dreams and you don’t know who created you. Your son has created you in his dreams and he doesn’t know who created him. What a dream world!
  
  Any way, you have a third chance to answer the questions I asked you and fail yet one more time. I will go up to ten times and then declare you a looser dreamer, who is not aware of anything, until I tell him (you). See I am in total control of your dreams and you helplessly accepting everything I am directing towards you. I also know that you have no options but to do that to reduce the dissonance created by the paradoxical situation that you are facing.
  
  Good Luck! ;-))
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Sun Sep 5 10:25:54 EDT 2004
  
  >>when the actual words does not convey the message an example is needed.
  
  To whom actual words does not convey the message and you have to helplessly resort to such examples. Please don’t forget you are in dreams, and this is your dream you don’t have to convey anything to your dreams.
  
  Just remember:
  
  [Your Dream World] (XOR) [Explicit Awareness]
  
  
• From: pradheep (@ frfd-01-0993.dsl.iowatelecom.net) on: Sun Sep 5 10:38:58 EDT 2004
  
  what does it matter, if I accept it you or not. Same way what does it matter for me whether you accept to me. will it do anything for you If I accept that I am a fool and vive versa. Will it make a difference to me if you declare that I am the most intelligent person in this world and eveyone should just listen to me. Praise or criticism does not affect me. They are both the same to me. I just react "outside" but in me I am just aware of the show.
  
  I am here to participate...and this is what life is for. we are all here to particpate in this show and it will be fooling ourself with the thought we are here to has success or failure. Like any game which is for a short time period , this life is also a small event, a game which has a definte begining and end. You and me are here to particpate and witness that game for a very short life span.
  
  
• From: Rohit (@ leic-cache-1.server.ntli.net) on: Sun Sep 5 13:55:28 EDT 2004
  
  Dear Pradheep,
  
  >>What does it matter, if I accept it you or not.
  
  If you accept that it is your dream then it matters a lot because I am directing your dreams from outside over which you have neither the control nor you are aware of the coming events.
  
  >>Will it make a difference to me if you declare that I am the most intelligent person in this world and everyone should just listen to me.
  
  I don’t know about you, my friend but it is definitely going to make a good joke for everyone’s laugh as it is just in your dreams, reality is not quite so and that is going to make a real difference for both of us.
  
  >>Praise or criticism does not affect me.
  
  Like I said, I am not going to wake you up; so you are free to dream about both.
  
  So, you had a fourth chance and you failed the test.
  
  Please try again, this will be your fifth attempt.
  
  Good Luck!
  
  

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