Topic started by Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159) on Wed Dec 26 02:46:14 .
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Let us discuss about "Life after Death"

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• From: Dreamer (@ ip68-5-135-161.oc.oc.cox.net) on: Wed Feb 13 02:46:31
  
  Shitkicker,
  
  Other than your repeated statements as to spirituality and self realization, I have not seen any response from you to the question presented by Prabhu.
  
  Is there life after death? How would you explain such life? If life exists, in what dimension?
  What is the definition of a dimension?
  
  Mind you, I am not contradicting your statements. I am desparately trying to find relevance to the question presented. Additionally, I am attempting to apply parts of the unified field theory to the life in a different dimension. My intent is to validate the plausible answers with supporting evidence.
  
  
  
• From: Dreamer (@ ip68-5-135-161.oc.oc.cox.net) on: Wed Feb 13 02:57:13
  
  K,
  
  You are absolutely correct. "There could be a dimension, where we could see electro-magnetic waves."
  
  I agree that is more proper. Since human eyes (although there is evidence certain animals can see beyond our visual spectrum) cannot see electro-magnetic waves in our dimension, if the human beings enter a different dimension (either spiritually, or by means of a scientific device to be developed in the future), where human vision extends to include additional frequencies in the spectrum, then I belive they would be able to see electro-magnetic waves.
  
  However, K, would the existence of humans in that dimension, be considred life? What do you think?
  Here, I am back to Prabhu's question.
  
  
• From: S H I T K I C K E R (@ 203.195.208.14) on: Wed Feb 13 06:33:51
  
  Dreamer,
  
  Some of my earlier postings in the same thread have been consistent about the fact that the soul does not die with the physical body. On physical death the soul is in most cases relieved from space-time. At this point it exists in another dimension. We have come a long way from that point in this thread.
  
  The point I was trying to address in my last post was your question of developing or evolving senses that could help mankind experience these other dimensions or make a transition to other dimensions.
  
  Coming back to Prabhu's question "Is there life after death" - I would say that the 'soul' cannot be destroyed. How you would wish to perceive that will be dependant on what your understanding is.
  
  Some questions are better answered open ended, because if I knew the exact nature of the 'soul', I would'nt be sitting here jamming away this keyboard where the stupid Shift key doesn't even work properly (damn - lol). I would be in that other dimension doing God knows what.
  
  
• From: Ramadas (@ globalc29.citicorp.com) on: Wed Feb 13 07:11:49
  
  "Life after Death"- Death of what? The body? that is what is understood.We cut the tree and make wooden planks. The wooden planks are made into a table. The death of tree is the birth of the wooden planks, the wooden plank ceases to exist so that the "table" is born. Actually there is no death, there is only one "Absolute Reality" changing its form or "becoming" into different forms still keeping its "Absolute" property intact. (Poornam Eva Avas'ishyathe). Our body "Annamaya Kos'a" dies to form back into all the chemicals it is composed off. But the "Absolute Reality" which was functioning in it still remains. The question is on trying to "prove" it using our so-called "Science" which is still in its infancy to research on these things. It still depends on "physical" proofs of dimensions which are not physical.
  Even if you device a method to sense electromagnetic waves how would you explain it to the people who are "on this side". The symbols of expressions of "that" frame of reference will not be enough to express your observations to "this" frame of reference. Just like when you are in a dreaming state, will you be able to give a running commentary of what you dream to a person sitting near you who is in the waking state.?
  
  
• From: Dreamer (@ ip68-5-135-161.oc.oc.cox.net) on: Wed Feb 13 10:16:54
  
  Shitkicker,
  
  Thank you for the straight answer. Humans are here today because some neanderthal started asking questions a long time ago. It all started when they looked up on to the night sky and started wondering what those shimmering lights were. We, as a type of animals, are naturally curious, and such curiosity has taken us to where we are.
  
  Philosophically, questions for which we do not have answers usually end up in the unknown pile. But leaving the question unanswered, in the pretext that it is better that way as we are not going to have answers will not help. Wouldn't easy be to blame or credit "god" when we gain or lose a perception?
  
  Ramadas,
  
  Life after the death of physicial living cells of course. A table made out of dead cells is not a living cell. Yet, Prof. Bose proved that plants have emotions and senses that are similar to humans in various way. Does it mean that the plants have souls?
  
  Unless we develop a way to reach a different dimension and return to our dimension, no running coomentries would be possible. However, chances are, if we develop a way to reach another dimension, then we are likely to have a way to communicate 'live" from such dimension.
  
  Since we are talking about "Absolute Reality," let me pose a question to the scientists lurking in this forum. "Why does a vibrating string become almost invisible, at the peak (resonance) of its vibration?" We know that a string is real and exisit in our dimension. Yet, when it vibrates it lacks certain physicial restraints.
  
  The answers may have some clues to Life After Death.
  
  
• From: Ramadas (@ globalc29.citicorp.com) on: Wed Feb 13 18:16:22
  
  Dreamer,
  Plants do have souls, even what we call inanimate objects also has "conciousness", but they are in varying stages of evolution and are in their primitive stages. What we call "soul" in the humans is highly evolved just like the human body which is also highly evolved. Everything "exists" (Sat) has a "conciousness" (Chit) and is enjoying (Aananda) the existence and conciousness. Only the stages are different. When compared to a stone a tree is highly evolved, when compared to a tree a mammal is highly evolved etc. The protons+neutrons in the nucleus and the electrons revolving around it also is Sat has a Chit and is in a state of Aananda. The dynamism in each atom is nothing but this triune property of the Supreme Paramaatma. Please read the book "The Life Divine" of Sri Aurobindo if you can get hold of it.!! The answers to many of our questions are answered in it.
  
  
• From: ravi (@ wildcat.polytarp.com) on: Thu Feb 14 00:12:26
  
  Hi guys:
  
  Once I met a man who had a Life After Death Experience. Read this little article I wrote based on that!
  
  http://www.angelfire.com/ab2/mistertoronto/
  
  
• From: S H I T K I C K E R (@ ptil-134-144-ban.primus-india.net) on: Thu Feb 14 01:09:24
  
  Stupid Ravi,
  
  Another conversion ploy. Will you guys never change? Pathetic Fools. Atleast keep out of threads like this where your stupid agendas are not welcome.
  
  
• From: Dreamer (@ ip68-5-135-161.oc.oc.cox.net) on: Fri Feb 15 00:13:48
  
  Ramadas,
  
  I must admit that I haven't had a chance to read Sri Aurabindo. I am sure that I will one of these days.
  
  Your description of Sat, Chit, and Aananda made me think about dimensions agaian. Is it possible that human beings can only "see" matter that is in Aananda or in perfect "balance?"
  
  The otherside of this thought is that the other dimensions must be therefore not in perfect "Aananda," as we know it.
  
  That again proposes another avenue. To enter a different dimension pysicially (not astrally (?)), may be Sat and Chit must not be in Aananda?
  
  Does this make any sense to you?
  
  Dreamer
  
  P.S. Isn't what happens to a vibrating string when it vibrates?
  
  
  
  
  
• From: S H I T K I C K E R (@ ptil-134-144-ban.primus-india.net) on: Fri Feb 15 02:05:27
  
  Dreamer,
  
  What your are referring to is percieving the world differently here in our own physical world. What you are saying is true. That there are other dimensions in our own physical world which can be perceived by attaining total peace within. Another way to percieve some of these dimensions is to alter one's own state of consciousness. Achieving this altered state of consciousness, and keeping control over his thoughts and emotions needs discipline.
  
  Even madness is an altered state of consciousness. A person who we might sometimes casually refer to as lunatic is one who is caught in a web of interaction with dimensions of the kind which we cannot even fathom because we haven't even experienced or have a faint clue about. It is because the individual cannot exercise control over his thoughts or emotions we consider it abnormal.
  
  
• From: Dreamer (@ ip68-5-135-161.oc.oc.cox.net) on: Fri Feb 15 18:54:04
  
  Shitkicker,
  
  That there are other dimensions in our own physical world which can be perceived by attaining total peace within.
  
  //I agree with you.
  
  Another way to percieve some of these dimensions is to alter one's own state of consciousness.
  
  //Probably. That is not the only way. May be at this time, that is the only way to do it.
  
  Achieving this altered state of consciousness, and keeping control over his thoughts and emotions needs discipline.
  
  //I agree with you 100%. I will add that only a few of the humans have been able to attain such discipline.
  
  As far as the harmony with Sat and Chit, I am beginning to believe that such balance must be disturbed to enter a different dimension. Moreover, I believe humans enter into such dimensions, not necessarily by attaining total peace, but modifying the harmony. It is possible that the result (of entering a different dimension) is attained as a byproduct of altering consciousness. It seems to be a reaction.
  
  The very basics of Vibratory Physics states that every object in this Universe is oscillating. We can see and a feel an object because it is in "sync" with our oscillations. The moment we are not in sync, such as in a situation where our consciousness is altered (by what ever means), then we get to react to unknown abilities which were previously unavailable to us.
  
  However, I am not quite sure about a lunatic being in a different dimension. A scientific definition would be that a lunatic believes to be in a different dimension because of certain chemical reactions in the lunatic's brain. Such reactions make the lunatic lose control over thoughts, emotions and behavior.
  
  If lunatics are in a dimension, then all alcoholics and junkies must be also in a different dimension, as they have temporarily altered their thoughts, emotions and beavior under the influence of such susbtance.
  
  
• From: S H I T K I C K E R (@ ptil-134-144-ban.primus-india.net) on: Tue Feb 19 01:11:59
  
  Dreamer,
  
  Lunatics do not exist in a different dimension. They are perceiving other dimensions within our own physical world.
  
  In the case alcholics and drug abusers too the case is the same, but it is not discernable to the extent one can normally make out. Though in the case of some intense users of psychotropic substances such as LSD and the like, it is discernable. They have been known to experience some extra sensory perceptions as well but this method of experiencing these dimensions can be harmful and very dangerous. It is refferred to as entering 'Spirituality Through the Backdoor'. Many of them come back to sanity after only after many years suffering schizophrenia, neurosis and other psychlogical diseases coupled with severe genetic damage.
  
  
• From: S H I T K I C K E R (@ ptil-134-144-ban.primus-india.net) on: Tue Feb 26 11:32:47
  
  What I am actually trying to convey is that there are alternate realities that are as 'true' as the reality that we are percieving at this moment. A shift to any of these alternate realities requires a discernably altered state of conciousness. There is a clear paradigm shift in such an experience. Sometimes the experience is so overwhelming that one who undergoes such an experience may find it difficult to comprehend the relationship to 'consensus' reality or the reality that we all accept and live in. In the case of alcoholics there is no paradigm shift. In the case of lunatics and intense users of halucinogens the possibility of percieving this shift is highly probable.
  
  
• From: Shakthi (@ 202.56.251.217) on: Tue Feb 26 12:53:27
  
  hello all,
  
  We here, i believe is not discussing on alter-consciousness, or state of consciousness.
  
  The question as far as i am able to perceive,
  if reframed , can be asked,
  
  "what happens to soul after death?"
  
  or "life after death"
  
  Agreed with all of ur talks on different dimensions, evolution and state of awareness etc.
  
  But what happens with soul after death?
  Does it become one with pancha boothas?
  
  I with my lil brains have understood
  our cells have imprints stored, because of various experiences, desires, needs etc affecting or creating an impact on us!
  
  These desires, determine what u become next or ur next birth or re-incarnation!!
  
  When yogins and gnanis, leave this body without desires or imprints, their composition disperses and merges one with the nature!
  
  Else, the cells with similar imprints get attached, to the existing human being bearing the same imprints or say dreams.
  
  that is the reason we can see cases of prodigies etc.
  
  Its the thought forces of too many individuals concentrated and attaching itself, and manifesting itself as single and clustering in one single body!
  
  These imprints or vasanas or desires vanishes as and when satisfaction or quenching of desires takes place.
  
  So life after death, is dispersing of cells and attaching itself with various other similar ones.
  until it reaches the original form of desireless state.
  
  But again a single person is not a single person, he is but a cluster of cells which can attach itself with similar ones and there fore when he dies, he lives in others!
  
  Now if someone (say a yogin) did attain this mukthi or salvated level, what is the assurance that he or she will not be born again?
  
  Pondering!
  thx,
  Shakthi
  
  
• From: Marius (@ ti511210a000-0190.dialup.online.no) on: Fri Feb 6 12:28:44
  
  I just saw a television program that I thought was interesting and I think is related to this topic.
  It was about near death experiences. I could tell about a few of the experiences that I found to be especially interesting: A woman with a tumor in the brain is brought in to the surgery, her heart is stopped (when the heart is stoped cease to function) and her body is iced. She has no vital signs - no electrical signals in the brain, and her eyes are taped shut. After the surgery she is brought back to life, and she is able to describe the tool that the doctors used to open her skull (a saw) to the tiniest detail - color, size etc…(which should be impossible as the tools used to operate are all wrapped and covered before the operation, and are not taken out before the patient is sedated) She said she saw her own body from ceiling. She also heard what the doctors said during the surgery (which should be impossible – not only because her ears had plugs in them, but also because her brain did not function) The doctors were unable to get the laser (which is inserted through her veins in the groin) through the veins of in her left leg, because the veins were to small, and had to try the other leg. This she heard, and was able to describe in detail after the operation. She also spoke about a tunnel – with a bright light which she felt drawn to. She went through the tunnel and met her uncle who had been dead since she was 8 or 9, and other people that she knew, and even people she did not know. She said she felt at home and did not want to leave this “place”. She did not feel any pain, and her senses were much clearer then they had been whilst she was in her body. But they told her that she had to go back – that it was not her time yet…
  A blind women is brought in to a hospital (I don’t remember what was wrong with her) But I remember that she had been blind since she was a child. She also floated out of her body – and was able to see what was happening around her. She could see! At first she did not recognize her body – but she saw the ring on her finger, and understood that it had to be her body laying there…. She was also brought back and told about her experience.
  She also told about being in a place were she knew everything…She asked these beings where God is – and they told her she was standing in the breath of God, and she said she remembered a feeling of awe.
  When interviewed she said that she felt death was a terrible lie – there is no death.
  The other person was a businessman – who had a heart attack. His heart stopped and he also had a near death experience that was to change his life. As he went through the tunnel – and came to this place. Where he met what he called “high spiritual” beings. And they told him that everyone was given a skill – but he had been using his skill wrong – he had been using his skill to trick people to earn money for himself…The doctors were able to resuscitate him – and now he is using his life to help other people….
  On of the scientist who did research on near death experiences said that: Traditionally the belief has been that the brain produces consciousness, but this has lead us to believe that maybe the consciousness is not something produced by the body, but is rather something that comes from the outside.
  
  
  
  

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