Topic started by rightahwronga (@ 203.200.40.199) on Wed Feb 25 10:03:03 EST 2004.
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Love is great feeling which God gave to US before He creating the world and before We creating this religion. I have seen many kinds of love happening all around... One among the strange ones is the love with Mother's sister son/daughter. Would like to hear your comments about this love.

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• From: reena (@ aurora.scar.utoronto.ca) on: Sat Feb 28 17:06:05 EST 2004
  
  Star are you saying that the caste system should be overtly reinstated or that since it exists everywhere that it should be promoted??? I for one don't believe that it makes a difference, why are we further categorizing ourselves??? Isn't it enough that we do it with nationality or by language or by colour????
  We have to be the only species who happen to be exceptionally cruel to one another for no apparent reason, other species do it for food or to mark territory but we do it cuz its fun to create outcasts!!!!
  I mean look at the forum hub, you're (assuming) well educated people who are arguing about religion (which by the way is not about which one's right or wrong but rather that religions are all different paths to salvation)can you imagine the arguments caste would bring on???
  
  Also about the fight, Surya if you and star stop retaliating mmc might actually get tired of arguing with himself!!!!
  
  
• From: phdgirl (@ pool-68-236-60-106.phil.east.verizon.net) on: Sat Feb 28 19:47:34 EST 2004
  
  Reena, word to the wise:
  
  Star is a hindu fundamentalist dwelling in his own world of vedic ideologies. He does not understand his own self-contradicting statements. Case in point, see this thread http://www.forumhub.com/expr/22573.11.27.08.html
  
  If you try to debate with him coherently with logical statements, he is going to wear out your patience with his ill-conceived dogmas. Good luck though !
  
  
• From: God (@ pool-68-236-60-106.phil.east.verizon.net) on: Sat Feb 28 20:11:39 EST 2004
  
  Casteism should and will exist as long as humans exist. If you are rich you belong to a rich caste (rich with money, rich with popularity etc). Although casteism exists in other forms of inequality besides in the form of economic layers, outdated, uncivilized casteism is what plagues the modern society of India. Assigning superiority to a group of people randomly based on no tangible concept is a scourge of the wanting-to-advance civilization. Self proclaiming Brahmins are the scum of such stenchy devastation. Cleansing such refuse is indispensable for the advancement of civilization. Equality should be based on fundamental rights including but not limited to, right to express and right to compete for survival.
  
  
• From: phdgirl (@ debonair.is.temple.edu) on: Sat Feb 28 20:13:21 EST 2004
  
  So God, what are you saying ???????
  
  
• From: God (@ pool-68-236-60-106.phil.east.verizon.net) on: Sat Feb 28 20:19:44 EST 2004
  
  Castes should make sense. Belonging to "God-in-mirror earth" caste helps me unionise, use some bargaining power and help me advance which are essential for "existence".
  
  
• From: phdgirl (@ pool-68-236-60-106.phil.east.verizon.net) on: Sat Feb 28 20:20:36 EST 2004
  
  Puhh ?!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  
• From: God (@ pool-68-236-60-106.phil.east.verizon.net) on: Sat Feb 28 20:21:22 EST 2004
  
  You are to be cursed pretty soon to be cat. Get away from this forum.
  
  
• From: phdgirl (@ pool-68-236-60-106.phil.east.verizon.net) on: Sat Feb 28 20:24:03 EST 2004
  
  Meow !!!
  
  
• From: Star (@ dial0-381.dialin.uic.edu) on: Mon Mar 1 20:51:46 EST 2004
  
  "Star are you saying that the caste system should be overtly reinstated or that since it exists everywhere that it should be promoted??? I for one don't believe that it makes a difference, why are we further categorizing ourselves??? Isn't it enough that we do it with nationality or by language or by colour????
  We have to be the only species who happen to be exceptionally cruel to one another for no apparent reason, other species do it for food or to mark territory but we do it cuz its fun to create outcasts!!!!
  I mean look at the forum hub, you're (assuming) well educated people who are arguing about religion (which by the way is not about which one's right or wrong but rather that religions are all different paths to salvation)can you imagine the arguments caste would bring on???"
  
  Hi reena,
  
  I understand your concern. Let me state my point very simply: casteism is not unique to Hinduism. The present-day economic systems of the world, in particular Capitalism, are all forms of casteism. There is no nation anywhere in the world without its share of homeless people, beggars, and those that survive doing menial labour. The idea of the Hindu caste system was to maintain cohesion in the society by assigning specific religious tasks to a particular group of people who did nothing else (Brahmanas). The caste system was not meant to condemn shudras or any other group. That this eventually happened is due to the invasion of India by Christian countries. The colonial government used a divide and rule policy; pitting one group against another allowed for an uneasy stability to prevail. WHEN the colonial country left, however, the colonized nation would sink into chaos due to long-stemming ethnic/religious tension. Examples: Congo, Sri Lanka, Burma, Singapore, India/Pakistan, Nigeria, Rwanda. These are just a few nations. Casteism is a way to prevent the indulges of excess Capitalism from having a corrupting influence on certain vulnerable minds. In my experience, the great majority of people are selfish today not by nature, but as a matter of mere survival. So you decide which one is better: Capitalism (where people need be selfish just to survive, and where the cohesion of a society is measured by individual gain) or casteism (where the cohesion of a society is accomplished by uniform distribution of religious duties.
  
  
  
  Also about the fight, Surya if you and star stop retaliating mmc might actually get tired of arguing with himself!!!
  
  
• From: Star (@ adsl-68-250-243-246.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) on: Mon Mar 1 21:16:41 EST 2004
  
  "Also about the fight, Surya if you and star stop retaliating mmc might actually get tired of arguing with himself!!!"
  
  Everyone needs amusement.
  
  
• From: reena (@ wc09.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Mon Mar 1 23:39:56 EST 2004
  
  Star
  
  You are trying to replace one bad thing with another. Casteism is not the solution to capitalism, far from it. Capitalism creates and destroys classes with the rise and fall of money and power whereas one's caste is ascribed at birth like your DNA. One has no way of going up in life, your dharma is to do your duty well (what's that clean other ppl's clothes really well???). What kind of society will you create where an individual has no freedom to decide who they want to be. At least with capitalism, you have an equal opportunity to get an education, work hard, earn (or cheat others for) money and improve your status. Even the beggar on the street can become a millionaire all he needs is one good idea and some1 to market it for him.
  
  You talk about uniform distribution of relgious duties, what does that mean, that brahmins are going to be cleaning ppl's toilets and the servant class are going to conduct prayers??? Casteism is the worst kind of exploitation of humanity under the pretence of religion. As I understand it, caste was brought in order to trick the uneducated into manual labour (well someone has to do the dirty work mentality). The british didn't have to do much to divide and conquer it was already divided and they used it to their advantage i.e. there was no cohesion to begin with.
  
  I'm not for capitalism but it provides a better future than casteism!!! Haven't we already seen what caste can do??? why go there again???
  
  
• From: Star (@ dial0-238.dialin.uic.edu) on: Tue Mar 2 02:30:36 EST 2004
  
  What is the difference between a Shudra stuck in the caste system, and the 30000 Americans who commit suicide every year? Just because people are provided with endless opportunities does not mean they will excel. Believe it or not, the ultimate impetus for success is KARMA. In fact, nothing less than modern genetics is showing more and more that genes actually a bigger role than the environment in the development of, say, personality.
  
  The first key to success is understanding your limitations. Too many people simply don't.
  
  
• From: reena (@ wc09.wlfdle.rnc.net.cable.rogers.com) on: Tue Mar 2 22:01:44 EST 2004
  
  There is a big difference, in american suicide and shudra stuck in the caste system, first off all americans don't commit suicide because they are all poor, some do it because they are chemically imbalanced which has its origins in many factors. It can even be due to chronic illness and besides where is your stats coming from??? do you have an authentic basis for it???
  
  My point is that its not the destiny of shurda's to be a servant for as long as they live. How well will you accept it if you were suddenly told to be the "laundry man" for the rest of your existance???
  
  We should all treat other people with compassion and equinimity and destroy any hierarchy (such as that imposed by the caste system). No one has the right to supress anyone's spirit by imposing such ridiculous notions for anyreason.
  
  Caste system will never be back by popular demand as it was before, many have seen a better world without it.
  
  And I don't understand why you mentioned genetics, besides you have been misinformed, personality is one part genes and one part environment and monozygotic(identical) twin stuides have provided a lot of support in this area. Psychologists say that it's an interaction between the environment and gene that molds the person not just genes alone.
  
  

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