Topic started by G.Imthiyaz Ahmed (@ ss01.ny.us.ibm.com) on Thu Nov 30 20:10:27 .
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Dear Freinds ,

I am attemting to translate some of Bharathiyars Poems from tamil to English and I hope it will be helpful Knowing others about some south indian Saints and the beauty of Tamil poems


Looking wealth for day to day living,
Babbling meaningless stories and
Concerned about the suffering.
Pain in the Heart,
Harming others
In selfish desire.
Aging in agony then
The Death takes over in vain.
Like the ones above, some ignorant people,
Bharathi is not going to loose this battle

-Bharathi



Can any one provide me some english translation of Bharathi Songs???? or can help me in translation?

Regards

Imthiyaz

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• From: Misguided Soul (@ ac8d530a.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Aug 26 23:39:02
  
  Kaathal yenbathu Kaatril Karaintha ondru...
  Nilaa kaaikirarathu.... neram theigirathu...
  
  Ganesh.
  
  
• From: peNkaLai kAtalikkiREn (@ relay.nima.mil) on: Fri Sep 7 15:35:42
  
  I have been trying to translate some of Bharatiyar's poems into English. I want to present them with the original Tamil text, a romanized transliteration, and the meaning in English. It's very hard work for me, very slow going. I've only done a couple so far. Please have a look:
  
  http://sites.netscape.net/penkatali1
  
  I'm most interested in his Shakti poems. Right now I'm trying to translate "Om cakti" and "caktik kUttu" (Dance of Shakti). The latter is especially difficult to render in English because of the way it plays with the rhythm of the Tamil language, the way the words gradually emerge from the percussive dance rhythms of the Tamil syllables.
  
  I believe in the extraordinary spiritual power and beauty of Bharatiyar's poetry helping to make the world a better place. If you would like to help me with translating these poems, please let me know. mika nanRi
  
  
• From: Roop (@ ) on: Tue Oct 30 08:45:11
  
  This is as close I could get to Bharati's
  ------------------------------------------
  Akkinik kunjondru kandaen
  Athai angoru kattior pondhidai vaitthaen
  Vendhu thanindhathu kaadu
  Thazhal veeratthil kunjendrum mooppendrum undoe?
  -----------------------------------------
  
  A flamelet of a fire I see;
  In a forest tree's hollow I stow;
  The forest burns down to dust;
  Flames are brave, mature or not.
  
  peNkaLai kAtalippavanae, uthavikku naanundu. Naan uthavatthakkavana endruthaan theriyavillai. (For donna's convenience, just in case, 'O Lover of Women, there's me to help; whether I'm suitable to help is the looming question')
  I saw only you "kummi". And I think rhythm, which is one major element that gives a jaunty flavour to Bharati's poems, esp. the "kummi", is conspicuously missing in your english translation.
  
  Donna, too bad I missed out on you fellas in 'friendship'. Things are happening too fast there for me to follow.
  
  
• From: peNkaLai kAtalikkiREn (@ relay4.nima.mil) on: Fri Dec 28 11:02:05
  
  Thanks for your offer to help, O Roop. I may call upon you to take up your offer. I have moved my page to a new site. Here is the new address:
  
  http://www.penkatali.org/bharati.html
  
  The translation of the kummi, I agree, is very unsatisfactory. I did not do that translation but found it on another web site. So far the only translation I did myself is of the poem "peNmai". I want to do my own translations of Bharati but need more time to work on them.
  
  
• From: velu (@ sjcd-webcache-8.cisco.com) on: Sat Jan 19 06:42:01
  
  Hi,
  I am Velu M, from bangalore.
  
  can u send me the some more poems like this
  
  regd's
  velu
  
  
• From: HARI SHANKAR K (@ ) on: Mon Apr 29 11:49:12
  
  imthiyaz!
  
  ithu nalla muarchi!
  
  vetri pera valthukkal!
  
  enakku bharathiyin oru sila padlakal mattume
  mendum mendum prabalam aagi kondirukkinrana ena
  varutham!
  
  naan sila ithu varai avvalavaka anivarum ariyatha
  padalkalai translate seyya muarchi seikiren!
  
  sila varankalukku piraku santhikkiren!
  
  
• From: S.Thiyagarajan (@ ilfs-162-154-mum.ilfsindia.com) on: Thu Oct 3 07:37:56
  
  I am giving below the three poems from among the many of the most beautiful creations of Bharati
  
  On limitless pleasures
  
  “Eththanai Kodi Inbam Vaiththai Engal Iraiva Iraiva Iraiva Oh!”
  (How many crores of pleasures you have given us Oh our Lord ..Lord Oh Lord)
  
  “Chiththinai Achiththudan Inaiththai Anghu Cherum Imbudhathin Viyanulagamaiththai”
  (You have created knowledge and ignorance together and in that creation of yours you have set the wonderful beauty in all those five basics Earth, Water, Air, Fire and Sky)
  
  “Aththanai Ulagamum Vannak Kalanjiam Ahap pala pala Nallazhugagal Amaiththai”
  (That world in its entirety is a beautiful and colourful collection So you have made it in many splendors)
  
  “Mukthi Enroru Nilai Samaiththai Athil Muzhuvathaiyum Unarum Unarvu Amaiththai”
  (You have set Salvation as the final level and in achieving that you have made me realize every thing that is perceivable)
  
  “Bhakthi Enroru Nilai Vaghuththai Engal Parama Parama Parama “
  (You have also set devotion as another route Oh our Almighty !)
  
  
  On fear of death
  
  Bharati also challenges Yama (the lord of death) as under
  
  “Kaala Enn Kaalaruge Vada Sarrte Unnai Mithikkiren”
  (Oh Yama !Will you come near my foot ! I shall just step over you)
  
  Let us come over the fear of death and enjoy till the end
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  Demand to Lord Ganesh
  
  The great poet also writes about the boon he demands from Lord Ganesh the foremost God every one approaches before commencing any activity
  
  “ Enakku Vendum Varangalai Isaipen Nee Kelai Ganapathi”
  ( Oh Ganapathi ! Will you listen to my requirement of Boons)
  
  “Manadhil Sanchalam Illaamal En Mathiyil Iruley Thonramal”
  (With out having any of the anxieties and with out the darkness encompassing my mind)
  
  “ Naan Ninaikkum Pozuthu Nin Mouna Nilai Vandhida Nee seyal Vendum”
  (When ever I desire at that moment you shall give me your state of silence-Nirvana)
  
  “Kanakkum Selvam , Nooru Vayathu , Evaiyum Thara Nee Kadavaye”
  (Till such time I desire the state of yours it is your duty to give me the heavy material world and 100 years to enjoy )
  
  
  
  
• From: Iyappan (@ lan-202-144-73-10.maa.sify.net) on: Thu Oct 3 08:06:49
  
  BharathiyE
  
  Nee eppodhu MarithuppOnaiyenRu ivargal unnai paRRi padugirArgal.. maranam enbadhum unakkundO ??
  
  Iyappan
  
  
• From: William (@ ) on: Sun Jun 8 16:03:29
  
  Hi All,
  
  My Name is William, from Bangalore, I'm Amazed by the discussions you guys are having....keep this on ..I have almost made it a habit to start my day with " Ninnai Charan adaindhen "......long live Bharathi
  
  
• From: surathi (@ cache7-5.ruh.isu.net.sa) on: Sun Jul 6 07:12:31 EDT 2003
  
  PRAYERS TO THE ULTIMATE
  
  (ninnai charaNadainthEn, kaNNammA..
  a poem by Mahakavi Bharathiar. If anyone wants transliteration of the Tamil poem, pls
  tell. I will post later.)
  
  -- A modest translation --
  
  I surrender to thee, the Ultimate
  I surrender to thee!
  
  Yearn do I for riches, status and fame!
  As I do not wish to be eroded by these yearnings..
  (I surrender to thee)
  
  Cowardice and fear spread in my heart and
  make it their home. To let these perish..
  (I surrender to thee)
  
  May my revelling in conceit end here and
  may I fulfil what you destined for me.. so
  (I surrender to thee)
  
  No more sorrows, no more despair, no defeats!
  Will all noble things be nurtured by Love
  (I surrender to thee)
  
  I lack wisdom to differentiate the evil from good [Oh mother]
  Let nobility prevail and evil perish!
  (I surrender to thee)
  
  
• From: surathi (@ cache9-5.ruh.isu.net.sa) on: Sun Jul 6 07:17:12 EDT 2003
  
  Dear friends, I am neither a poet nor a linguist. If my above translation - though elementary - helps you to some extent, I am happy. Bye.
  
  
• From: deep yellow daffodil (@ ) on: Thu Sep 2 14:09:41
  
  dera friends
  please can i have the original tamil lyrics of
  ninnai charaNadainthEn, kaNNammA..
  
  
  
• From: manjulakumari (@ 61.2.228.189) on: Sat Sep 11 06:35:15 EDT 2004
  
  good sir super
  odi vilaiyadu pappa
  nee oindhu irukka lahadhu pappa
  koodi vilaiyadu pappa
  oru kulandhayai vaiyadhe pappa!!!
  please translate this song ahmed!
  
  
• From: Kathir (@ cache3-2.jed.isu.net.sa) on: Thu Sep 16 01:26:21 EDT 2004
  
  To : Yellow daffodil. here's what u wanted:
  
  ninnai charaNadainthEn, kaNNammA
  ninnai charaNadainthEn
  ponnai, uyarvai, pugaLai virumbidum
  ennai kavalaigaL thinna thagAthena..
  ninnai charaNadainthEn, kaNNammA
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  ninnai charaNadainthEn, kaNNammA
  ninnai charaNadainthEn
  thunbam ini illai, sOrvillai
  sOrvillai, thORpillai
  anbu neRiyil aRangaL vaLarththida
  nallavai nAttida, theeyavai Ottida
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• From: deep yellow daffodil (@ 202.63.115.242) on: Thu Sep 16 03:44:23 EDT 2004
  
  thanks,kathir! for the lyrics!
  
  
• From: M (@ 63-227-112-115.dnvr.qwest.net) on: Thu Sep 16 22:00:44 EDT 2004
  
  Kathir, this is one of my favorites too...u must listen to Unnikrishnan singing this...its an incredible experience...
  
  
• From: Kathir (@ cache9-4.ruh.isu.net.sa) on: Sun Sep 19 05:00:20 EDT 2004
  
  Yeah, mine too. I have one by Ilayaraja. It's easy to memorize and sing too. Neenga solra maadhiri, layichu ketkanum... Thanks.
  
  
• From: Deepak (@ libpac1.academic.wpi.edu) on: Sun Sep 26 15:27:29 EDT 2004
  
  Dear Friends,
  
  I am a big fan of Mahakavi Bharathiyar.
  
  I request one of you to please give me the lyrics for the Kavithai that comes in the movie Mahanadhi. It starts with "Pirar vazha..." and ends with "...vedikkai manitharai pol naan veezhven endru enninayo". The next verse follows as "Ini pudhiyadhor uyir kondu, madhi thannai thelivaakki....endrum sandhosham kondrirukka chevvai...sandhosham kondrirukka cheivvai".
  
  I have a book but I am not able to find it in there. Hope one of you knows what I am talking about...thanks a lot...
  
  And please give it in english font because my university computers do not support tamil font or its installation...
  
  
  
  
• From: srimangai (@ cosiapat1.net.americas.agilent.com) on: Mon Sep 27 02:17:10 EDT 2004
  
  Hello Friends,
  I have been tempted many times to share my thoughts in this exceptional thread. Thanks Imthiyaz for this tribute to the great poet Barathi. Apart from the beauty of poems, there are some hidden pearls in that ocean.
  Whenever I feel a bit unnerved, I get impetus by reading his Puthiya Aaathichudi. "Accham Thavir, AAnmai Thavarael..." In the past, I used to think, " Has Barathi adviced only to the boys? Aanmai Thavarael ... seems more masculine.." Later, it dawned to my underdeveloped brain (unfortunately still..!) , that Aanmai is a charecter which Barathi wants everyone to develop. It is "Aaaln- Mai" - more to do with managing the self and the society. Whatever one's role in the society, Barathi insists "Aalumai thavarael". What an advice to give to the younger generation!
  anpudan
  srimangai
  
  
• From: Deepak (@ libpac4.academic.wpi.edu) on: Mon Sep 27 22:16:04 EDT 2004
  
  Kathir,
  
  Have you heard Manadhil urudhi vendum from "Sindhu Bhairavi". If you haven't you can listen to it on raaga.com or musicindiaonline.com .Ilayaraja has scored splendidly and Yesudas has sung beautifully.
  
  
• From: deepyellowdaffodil (@ ) on: Sun Oct 17 12:09:17
  
  u should hear ninnai sharanadainthen by priya sisters.
  tuned in chandrakauns raaga it is simply the best.
  great song
  
  
• From: deepyellowdaffodil (@ ) on: Sun Oct 17 12:09:37
  
  u should hear ninnai sharanadainthen by priya sisters.
  tuned in chandrakauns raaga it is simply the best.
  great song
  
  

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