Topic started by Unni (@ 1cust224.tnt2.great-neck.ny.da.uu.net) on Thu Mar 8 08:51:54 .
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Padmarajan, Bharathan - two of the best directors ever produced in India who created films that were accepted by all classes of people.
I would say that Padmarajan/s films had the best natural flow of story. Even small minute details were considered with great respect as we can see in all his films. His best "Namukku Parkaan MT) was really flowing.
Bharathan - a genius. Anyone who has seen Vaishaali- a product of Bharathan and MT- willrealize his talents.
Both were greate screen writers too. Their combination -Ozhivukalam - writtenby Padman sir and directed by Bharathan was excelling.
Post your opimions on the Duo.

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• From: evano_oruvan (@ 203.199.216.43) on: Tue Dec 16 06:00:46 EST 2003
  
  Raghu,
  
  rgdin the mileu and characters there r bound 2 b differences. bcos, bein 2 individuals their preception and perspective must b different.
  
  but, i wud like 2 further analyze ur statement on their character attributes.
  
  MT takes all his characters 2 a level where they face rejection from ppl who they care abt, that seems 2 b the drivin point of his theme, kathaye munnoottu kondu pokunnathu kathapathrangalude bhava parinithikalekkalere avarude sahacharyangalaanu... (eg. veeragatha, nakhakshathangal, mithya)
  
  but, 4 padmarajan sandigdhaghattathe eethu reethiyil athijeevikkanamennulla arivullavaraanu. they carry the individual's dignity 'n personality thru out.. jeevithathodulla avarude pratirodhavum, chuttupadukalodulla avarude sameepanavum aanu kathayude gathi vigathikale nishchayikkunnathu.
  (eg. gandharvan, innale, munthirithoppukal etc)
  
  
  When itz time 2 resist MT's characters meekly submit 2 their fate. but, Padmarajan's character's just accept the fate as itz and then carries on. they never submit 2 it....
  
  what do u say???
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 61.95.225.122) on: Thu Dec 18 01:26:44 EST 2003
  
  ithonnum MTyo padmarajano ingane venam ennu vechu cheyyunnathalla.....
  avar parayunna kathayile aalukal oro vidhathil react cheyyunnu..
  oppol MTyude rachanayalle ? athile pattaalakkarante theerumaanam enthayirunnu ???????
  samooha madhyathil kottam thetti meyunnavar aanu MTyude kethapathrangal ..
  sukruthathle raviyude theerumaanathil enthu surrender aanu ullathu ??
  athoru vijayamalle ? avaganichavarude mukhathottulla kaarkkichu thuppal alle athu ??
  
  
• From: evano_oruvan (@ 203.199.216.43) on: Thu Dec 18 02:24:25 EST 2003
  
  //ithonnum MTyo padmarajano ingane venam ennu vechu cheyyunnathalla.....
  avar parayunna kathayile aalukal oro vidhathil react cheyyunnu.. //
  
  athu shariyano? anand-inte characters charithram samsarikkunnathum, MT-yude characters suicide cheyyunnathum okke conincidence aanennu njan viswasikkunnillaa.. remember kafka... athinapavadamayi oru thakazhiyoo, o v vijayano kandekkam..
  
  kathapathrangalude vyaparangaliloode, kathakrithinte manasikavum samoohikavum aaya avasthayum, chuttupadukalum thanneyanu anavaram cheyyunnathu!
  
  "sukrutha"-thile 'ravi'yude avasthayiloode kadannupoyal "innale"-yile 'narendran' engane pratikarikkumayirunnu ennu chinthichu nokkoo..
  
  venalkkinavukalilum parinayathilum nakhakshathangalilum kathapathram avaganichavarude nerkku karkkichu thuppukayayirunno.. atho keezhadangukayayirunnoo?
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 61.95.225.122) on: Thu Dec 18 09:33:30 EST 2003
  
  narendrante responsinu narendrante maanasikaavasthayodu oru tharathilum compare cheyyavunnathalla ravishankarinte avsatha..
  thante maranam aagrahikkunna lokathinu munpil jethavineppole maranathe abhimukheekarikkunna aalaanu ravi...
  maranam polum pinnil ninnu vannaanu raviye keezhppeduthunnathu.......
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 61.95.225.122) on: Thu Dec 18 09:36:52 EST 2003
  
  MTyude thanne adiyozhukkukalile karunane sradhichittundo ? athile laalinte kathaapathram ??
  MTkkum padmaraajanum oru vyathyaasam amthrameyulloo..
  MTyude kathapathrangalil churungiya chilar vaayil kollaatha varthamaanam parayunnavar aanu..padmarajante paathrangal eppozhum natural aayittu samsarikkunnavaraanu.......
  ee threadile 2-3 kollam munpulla ente postings vayichu nokkoo....kure njangal discuss cheythittundu...
  
  
• From: evano_oruvan (@ 203.199.216.43) on: Fri Dec 19 02:00:01 EST 2003
  
  raghu,
  
  M.Krishnan nair parayunna pole, "ezhuthukaranu parayendathellam kathapathrathekkondu chhardippikkum", alle?
  
  athine onnu extend cheythulla opinion aanu njan parajathu. pinne cinema-yude karyathil raghu-vinte athra oru "range" enikkilla. esp. movies b4 87. so, may b some of my opinions r wrong!
  
  and i have gone thru some of ur postings... i felt this is the most interestin discussion thread around. i am a late comer here. it seems 2 b goin on 4 soo long. samayam kittumpol onnu vayichu nokkanam.
  
  
• From: KADHALAN (@ 193.188.97.151) on: Fri Dec 19 05:02:56 EST 2003
  
  PADMARAJAN IS THE BEST DIRECTOR MALAYALAM HAS SEEN.... THE REASON BEING HIS FILMS WERE FOR THE MASSES AND YET IT CLICKED WITH THE CLASSES...HE HAD SUCH FABULOUS WAY OF PRESENTING THE CHARACTERS AND HIS FILMS WERE LIKED BY ALL....
  
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 61.95.225.122) on: Sat Dec 20 04:18:20 EST 2003
  
  Kadhalan, please dont bring in terms like class and mass..
  kodiyettam and swayamvaram ran for 100 days in kerala at some time..(never it is gonna happen..) and all those people who saw tht film and enjopyed were not "classes..:).." jus see the movie Pithamahan in tamil and the "mass" watches it.......
  Padmarajan was a romantic to the core..
  kaalpanikathaye ithrakku aaradhicha aalukal padmarajanum bharathanum maathrame kanoo..
  
  
• From: kelan (@ csstupc43.cs.nyu.edu) on: Sat Feb 21 22:04:58
  
  Does anyone have a complete list of the works of Bharathan? I saw a similar list for Padmarajan in previous postings. It would be nice if someone posted this as well.
  
  I also think we need to discuss some more movies of Bharathan than has been done yet. (Most of the discussion centred on the works of Padmarajan).
  (Probably because it is easier to be articulate about the skills of Padmarajan. Bharathan's talents seem more in the realm beyond words.)
  
  How about a discussion on the joint works of Bharathan and Padmarajan, to start with? I know of
  Lorry, Thakara, Prayaanam, Ozhivukaalam and Rathinirvedham as being of this type. Don't know the plots though... Probably there are other movies too...
  
  
• From: kelan (@ csstupc43.cs.nyu.edu) on: Mon Apr 19 14:42:20
  
  It seems it is not so easy to get a list of the films that Bharathan directed. I have put up a list below, from rather dubious sources. I think I am sure that all these are Bharathan films. On the other hand, there may be some other films too which I have missed. Could somebody please confirm?
  
  In pursuance of my earlier posting, it seems there are six films from the joint efforts of Padmarajan and Bharathan. I had missed Eenam.
  
  Did Bharathan write the script for any of his movies? I know that he was the music director for Keli. I have the feeling that the script for 'nurunguvettam' was by Bharathan, but I am not sure...
  
  1. Prayaanam (P. Padmarajan) (1975)
  2. Guruvaayoor Kesavan (1977)
  3. Aniyara (1977)
  4. Rathinirvedham (P. Padmarajan) (1978)
  5. Thakara (P. Padmarajan) (1979)
  6. Lorry (P. Padmarajan) (1980)
  7. Aaravam (1980)
  8. Chaamaram (1980)
  9. Chaatta (1981)
  10. Paarvathi (1981)
  11. Nidhra (1981)
  12. Parankimala (1981)
  13. Marmaram (1982)
  14. Ormakkaayi (1982)
  15. Paalangal (1982)
  16. Kaattaththaey kilikkoodu (1983)
  17. Eenam (P. Padmarajan) (1983)
  18. Sandhya mayangum neram (1983)
  19. Ithirippoovaey chuvannapoovaey (John Paul, T.Damodaran) (1984)
  20. Entaey upaasana (Thoppil Bhasi) (1984)
  21. Kaathodu kaathoram (John Paul) (1985)
  22. Ozhivukaalam (P. Padmarajan) (1985)
  23. Chilampu (1986)
  24. Pranaamam (Dennis Joseph) (1986)
  25. Oru minnaaminungintaey nurunguvettam (1987)
  26. Neelakkurinji pooththappol (1987)
  27. Vaishaali (M. T. Vasudevan Nair) (1988)
  28. Oru saayaahnaththintaey swapnam (1989)
  29. Thaazhvaaram (M. T. Vasudevan Nair) (1990)
  30. Amaram (A. K. Lohithadas) (1991)
  31. Keli (1991)
  32. Thevarmagan (Tamil) (1992)
  33. Aavaarampoo (Tamil) (1992)
  34. Maalootti (1992)
  35. Venkalam (1993)
  36. Chamayam (1993)
  37. Paadheyam (A. K. Lohithadas) (1993)
  38. Devaraagam (1996)
  39. Manjeeradhwani (1996)
  40. Churam (1997)
  
  
  
  
• From: Rajesh (@ 199.243.202.140) on: Mon Apr 19 16:17:46 EDT 2004
  
  Bharathan, while trying to make more films wasted his charisma.padmarajan was careful in that.He made just 18 against 40 by Bharathan. Bharathan could avoid his last 3 films.devaragam was like a drama,manjeersdhani-no comments.with churam he was trying to make a film from nothing.no story(another film with no story is "malootty")...no good actors (except nedumudi).may be he was trying to say a story how nature is related with mankind.i dont think thats reached to the audience.if you check padmarajan's films you cant find such 'waste' movies.even 'season' was watchable because of its style of tight narration and thriller nature.
  I would say "thaazhvaaram" is the best from bharathan.story of revenge directed well with a great actor as the hero and portrayed in a great location.(it was attappadi).that location itself is a main character in that story.I think Bharathan was more into such details than into story.(there are exceptions like "nurunguvettam" and "kaattathe kilikkodu")Thats the main difference between bharathan and padmarajan.
  Another difference is padmarajan's films are different from each other while bharathan liked to repeat the subjects.For example "rathinirvedam","thakara","parankimala" all deal with the sexual curiosity of teenagers.
  Bharathan's selection of stories were also strange.He picturised two thallippoli novels of kakkanadan-adiyaravu (filmed as "parvathi") and parankimala. From the same author who wrote good novels like ushnamekhala.
  
  
  
  
• From: evano-oruvan (@ 61.247.254.233) on: Tue Apr 20 00:58:27 EDT 2004
  
  Thazhvaram music was by Bharathan I guess..
  
  and u Patheyam publicity designs were also done by him..
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 61.95.225.122) on: Tue Apr 20 01:49:08 EDT 2004
  
  Keli, kathodu kathoram(along with ouseppachan) music also was done by him..
  He did the title credits and/or poster/publicity design for many of his films including amaram, vaishali etc...He was basically a painter, sculptor and an art director and had extremely good knowledge of classical music..He used to specify the raga in which he want a song...
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 61.95.225.122) on: Tue Apr 20 01:51:25 EDT 2004
  
  Manjeeradhwani was originally a telugu film..they had the film dubbed into malayalam..
  
  
• From: santhosh (@ dialpool-210-214-180-207.maa.sify.net) on: Mon Nov 29 14:42:15
  
  How & when did Bharathan, Padamarajan pass away?
  Let me know.
  
  
  

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