Nambiars
Topic started by Hell's Angel (@ zamaccnd.zamtel.zm) on Sat Dec 27 12:24:39 EST 2003.
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Ok, Hey ppl. I jus wanted 2 find out wut caste r nambiars and where they originated from. Can anyone help me? Jus pour out wuteva u know abt nambiars over here {as long as its DECENT stuff}.
Responses:
- From: Rathesh (@ 193.188.97.151)
on: Sun Dec 28 04:19:58 EST 2003
Nambiars are Malabar are from the Nair group.
- From: Rathesh (@ 193.188.97.151)
on: Sun Dec 28 04:20:30 EST 2003
Nambiars from NORTH MALABAR are NAIRS
- From: H.A (@ zamaccnd.zamtel.zm)
on: Mon Dec 29 11:59:50 EST 2003
Well, d'u know like if they're Kshatriyas, Bramins, etc and y they're mainly in the North Of kerala?
- From: sanjay agarwal (@ )
on: Wed Aug 18 16:24:32
nambiars r well known for their brain power ,love
& patriotism..for them their family standards come first. because they beleive that a good family makes a good home,a good homes make a good village , good villages makes a good town ,good towns make up a good state.(god's own country) & good states make a great nation. They are from
malabar regions.just talk to a nambiar & u will know how good he is at heart.i have experienced it.
- From: Nangyar Kutty (@ 68-233-158-200.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
on: Tue Aug 24 17:31:18 EDT 2004
Nambiars are NAIRS. NAIR (pronounced nay-yar)are a kind of the kshatrya-brahmin-merchants. The caste system in Kerala is kind of wierd. I believe they are only from N. Kerala (North Malabar). They're matrilineal (like other nairs) and are good warriors. Female Nambiars are called nangyars/
- From: evano-oruvan (@ 198.23.26.253)
on: Wed Aug 25 00:50:21 EDT 2004
Nambiars r nairs??? i don't think soo..
and nairs r not kshatriyas either.. there were no explicit kashatriya, brahmin, vaishya, shudra caste system in kerala.
even the major perceived brahmin class ie. namboothiris r also convered priest class. and the other brahmin groups like gauda saraswatas and aiyars r all migrated class. verma and a couple of other groups r the only kshatriya caste in kerala..
nairs were the upper crest of sudras.. (with ezhavas forming it's lower crest..) and they r not kshatriyas. though they were the main "warrior caste" in kerala.. the confusion caused by a misinterpretation of the "warrior caste" as the "ruler or kshatriya caste"...
2 my knowledge, nambiars r another wing of "ambalavasi" community.. or who's perceived as "neecha brahmins" or "just below brahmins", who assisted brahmins in pooja and associated activities.. socially, they were considered equivalent 2 nair and other forward communities...
- From: Komalan (@ 193.188.97.151)
on: Wed Aug 25 01:38:52 EDT 2004
Well, evano-oruvan this is the case of nambiars of south kerala...but Nambiars of North Malabar are of the Nair Caste and are usually considered in the higher order of ther Nair caste...
- From: evano-oruvan (@ 198.23.26.253)
on: Wed Aug 25 07:47:00 EDT 2004
Komalan,
i haven't heard of nambiars of south kerala. i am from north kerala, kannur district.
dude.. difft class claims it's superiority over the other. but, the fact is when the system of "varna" was emerged, no class was considered superior to the other. after certain social evolutions, the class which possessed education and power started emerging superior 2 the others.
anyway, i don't think nambiars were considerd 2 b superior 2 nairs or vice versa. the fact is, each community claims it's superiority over the others.
- From: Nangyar Kutty (@ 68-233-158-200.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
on: Wed Aug 25 17:34:15 EDT 2004
Komalan,
I also don't know about the Nambiars in Southern Kerala, but you are right, Nambiars are Nairs, but in the North they are 'higher Nairs.' They don't marry people who use Nair as they're caste name.
Evan-oruvan,
When I called the Nairs the Kshatriyah caste in Kerala, I meant that they are warriors. I've been taught that Kshatriya is the warrior caste, not the rulling caste.
New question...if there are no rulers in Kerala, what are the Varmas? Wasn't Swati Tirunal a varma? Just wondering...thanks :)
- From: evano-oruvan (@ dslsouth043.244.247.61.touchtelindia.net)
on: Thu Aug 26 00:58:44 EDT 2004
nangyar,
plz don't speak abt alliances, and what's discussed and perceived within the nambiar caste.
i am trying 2 approach it from a sociological and historical perspective.
rgding ur qn on warriors, the main warrior caste in north malabar area is kuruppanmar or chekonmar. this caste, atleast a section of this class is not considered as forward caste.
there were so many orincely states and rulers in kerala. kolathiri, samoothiri, valluvakkonathiri, nediyiruppu, venad and so on. swathi thirunal was a ruler of venad or travancore.
- From: Nangyar Kutty (@ 68-233-158-200.vnnyca.adelphia.net)
on: Thu Aug 26 15:37:44 EDT 2004
I was just trying to give some info that I knew, and since we seemed to be questioning whether Nambiars are Nairs or not, I just thought I'd add my two cents. Thanks for the info on Swati Tirunal.
- From: murugan (@ )
on: Sat Sep 11 08:33:30
nambiars are indeed nairs and if you accept the brahmin imposed varna system the ruling class, if they are kshatriyas is a matter of perception. the kerala kshatriyas, varmas, are made by a strange custom by the brahmins, called 'hiranya garbham'. that happens even now in the fossilised travancore royalty, they are asked to go in to a metal cow and come out as dung ... born from the ... so it is all nonsense created by the priests and naive people accepted them. they managed to make the one 'above' hate the one 'below', simple, oldest strategy of divide and rule !!
- From: ravi (@ 193.188.97.151)
on: Sun Sep 12 10:21:21 EDT 2004
nambiars are belongs to nair sects like kurup and varmas.they were expert in "kalaripayatu"there where ruling families having nambiar title like "eruvazinadu nambiar"still getting "malikana".there is no pure ksathirya casts in india.when budhisam and jainasm came all the ksathiyas became budist/janist.rajput and nairs came later around 7-10 century AD.almost all the royal families of kerala came from nairsects(more than 100 subsects was there)higher warrior subsects got ksathriya status.expect edapally namibiyathri,chembakasery and venganad nambidi all ar(brahmins) all are from nair casts.
- From: ravi (@ 193.188.97.151)
on: Sun Sep 12 10:22:57 EDT 2004
nambiars are belongs to nair sects like kurup and varmas.they were expert in "kalaripayatu"there where ruling families having nambiar title like "eruvazinadu nambiar"still getting "malikana".there is no pure ksathirya casts in india.when budhisam and jainasm came all the ksathiyas became budist/janist.rajput and nairs came later around 7-10 century AD.almost all the royal families of kerala came from nairsects(more than 100 subsects was there)higher warrior subsects got ksathriya status.expect edapally namibiyathri,chembakasery and venganad nambidi all ar(brahmins) all are from nair casts.
- From: ravi (@ 193.188.97.151)
on: Sun Sep 12 10:23:02 EDT 2004
nambiars are belongs to nair sects like kurup and varmas.they were expert in "kalaripayatu"there where ruling families having nambiar title like "eruvazinadu nambiar"still getting "malikana".there is no pure ksathirya casts in india.when budhisam and jainasm came all the ksathiyas became budist/janist.rajput and nairs came later around 7-10 century AD.almost all the royal families of kerala came from nairsects(more than 100 subsects was there)higher warrior subsects got ksathriya status.expect edapally namibiyathri,chembakasery and venganad nambidi all ar(brahmins) all are from nair casts.
- From: ravi (@ 193.188.97.151)
on: Sun Sep 12 10:41:21 EDT 2004
list of royals/naduvazis of kerala.nilesaram raja,karikattidam nainar,vengayil nainar,randuthara achhan,iruvazi nadu nambiar,kolathiri,vadakara vazunore,kottayam ,chiraykal,samuthiri,mangatt achhan,para nambi,kuthrivattam muppil nair,kavalappara muppilnair,palakkat achhan,bepur kovilakam,valluvakonathiri,mannarkattu muppil nair,venganattu nambidi,perumbadapp muppil(kochi raja),palliyath achhan,vellottu ,mappranam prabu,cheranellore karthav,edappali,karappuram kaimal,anji kaimal,vadakkumcore,thekkamcore,kayamkulam,keerikadu valiyathan,rani kartha,pandalam,poojar raja,konni kartha,attingal,ettuvettil pillai,venadu etc.title like varma,raja,koyithampuran,thambi,thamban,achhan,kartha,kaimal,unnithan,unnithiri,valiyathan,eradi,velodi,nedungadi,adiyodi,muppilnair etc exclusively used by former royal/naduvazi family members.
- From: v balachander (@ )
on: Fri Oct 1 06:05:54
Hey guys and girls,
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- From: Sandeep Nambiar (@ uk-cl.med.uni-duesseldorf.de)
on: Fri Oct 8 10:23:20 EDT 2004
Nambiars are a heterogenous community.Nambiars in north malabar were purathuchari nairs like nayanars.They were addressed kaikkor( south kerala equivalent is kaimal) by other castes including general nairs.Larger powerful families exerted power on their local feifdoms singularly( Eg: kalyattu,koodali,ayilyath etc).Smaller powerful families formed clusters ( through ooranma system like the sthani nairs) and did the same.Both these groups discouraged alliances with nairs but such alliances were not forbidden but uncommon.Poorer families were agrarians with no political clout and had lesser inhibitions to eneter in to allinaces with sthani nairs.Nambiars in palghat are ambalavasis and the men played nizhavu and women(nangiars) did nangiar koothu along with chaakiars in koodiyattam in temples.They completely abstained from marrying nairs.The nambiars in the south are migrants from north malabar or palghat and are not originally from the south.
- From: Vinay (@ c-67-161-27-136.client.comcast.net)
on: Thu Oct 14 13:15:39 EDT 2004
To add up to sandeep nambiars comments,In north Malabar there was a time when certain castes that were considered subordinate to nairs like
'maniyani(yadavas) were allowed to be titled
"maniyani nairs" by the ruling king .Inorder to differentiate and distinguish these nairs from the original nairs of that time, a promotion of title("sthanakayattam) was given to original nairs and they were called nambiars there after.Nambiars of calicut,kannur and kazhargode(famous tharavads include ayilliath,kudali,manikkoth,palanghat....) are original nairs.Nambiars of trichur and palakkad are different from these and are "ambalavasis".
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