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• From: Ramakrishna on Fri May 30 9:45:03 2008.

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• From: ajithfederer on Fri May 30 10:43:40 2008.

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  Enna kodumai kalyasi idhu. Ippo edhukku sarry kekkureenga
  

  Kalyasi wrote:

  Guys we r in the hub to share our views and search for friends..... Why all this.... A simple sorry can end the matter... whatever has happened has happened.... So from now on lets be united and cheer for India..... I will start it myself Sorry Nerd and Stan!!

  
  

• From: steveaustin on Fri May 30 12:19:46 2008.

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  For light and song, for bliss and glory and for lifting the soul, who else but inborn genius BRIAN CHARLES LARA
  
  His charismatic batting style and flambuoyant bat-lift and stroke play made everyone stunned. He is the only man in the history to have reclaimed the Test record score. He is famous for the lone ranger act and breathtaking innings. He is classy on any day.
  
  
  http://content-www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/126127.html
  
  

• From: sivank on Sat May 31 7:41:08 2008.

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  For me the best batsman in the whole cricketing world would be the one and only Gundappa Rao Vishwanath. In my opinion he was the real master who made batting a real art. Watching him batting was a real treat. On and off the field he was a gentleman who never stayed even if the umpire hasn´t given him out. He simply walked if he kenw he was out.
  
  Others might have other choices and opinions but as I mentioned it is my opinion and I am proud of the fact that I have seen this maestro live in action.
  
  

• From: wrap07 on Sat May 31 8:07:20 2008.

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  sivank wrote:

  For me the best batsman in the whole cricketing world would be the one and only Gundappa Rao Vishwanath. In my opinion he was the real master who made batting a real art. Watching him batting was a real treat. On and off the field he was a gentleman who never stayed even if the umpire hasn´t given him out. He simply walked if he kenw he was out. Others might have other choices and opinions but as I mentioned it is my opinion and I am proud of the fact that I have seen this maestro live in action.

  
  
  yes. I have heard about his gentlemanly approach a lot. I had also read that his square cut is unparalleled and the best game has seen.
  You are really fortunate to have seen great Viswhwanath in action.
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Thu Jun 12 14:58:29 2008.

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  Reproducing one of the best posts in sachin thread for our hub pundits to see
  
  http://www.orkut.com/CommMsgs.aspx?cmm=23803&tid=2507132514189454454&na=1&nst=1
  
  Who say ponting is better than sachin:-
  
  If talk about sachin and ponting, some people always says ponting is better than sachin because they always see his last 1-2 year performance. If u comparision between two players then u have to consider all the things like under which team u are playing, at which stage u are playing, against which bowler u are playing, what were the opposite strengths and the back up of other team members.
  There is no doubt sachin is better than ponting in one day. Evey one knows this truth. Here I am talking about sachin and ponting comparision between test matches. I will prove that sachin is always better than ponting. I have a lot of proofs which will surely proof that sachin is better than ponting.
  If we talk about sachin first 181 innings than we will show that sachin made more run than ponting. Everyone face a bad form during their international career, it will be coincidence that sachin bad form start after he equalize the record of sir don bradman in westendies in 2002.
  I want to tell u that when I was collecting these records I was really surprised that sachin also performed very well or u can say he also perform like as sachin. But there are some weak points of ponting and strong points of Australian team which make sachin more efficient than ponting.
  
  Here I am representing 10 points which will surely proof sachin is better than ponting:
  
  Reason 1: Let see sachin and ponting first 181 innings
  
  sachin After 181 innings
  innings 182
  not out 19
  run 9459
  highest 241*
  average 58.38
  century33
  50’s 37
  0’s 12
  
  ponting after 182 innings
  inning 182
  notout 25
  run 9323
  highest 257
  average 59.38
  century 33
  50’s 36
  0’s 8
  
  
  ASPECTS:-
  
  (a) here u can see sachin made 143 runs more than ponting in first 181 innings. If u are consider average u can see ponting was 25 times not out and sachin was 19 times not out. Now we consider these innings as full innings. Than
  
  sachin After 181 innings(when not out is not consider)
  innings 182
  run 9459
  highest 241*
  average 52.25
  century 33
  50’s 37
  0’s 12
  
  ponting after 182 innings (when not out is not consider)
  inning 182
  run 9323
  highest 257
  average 51.23
  century 33
  50’s 36
  0’s 8
  
  (b) now u can see sachin average is more than ponting in first 181 innings. If u talk about no. of centuries both are same centuries, but sachin had made 1 fifty more than ponting.
  
  © letsee comparison of centuries b/w sachin and ponting.
  Sachin:
  1. 1st century: 14th inning(average
  2. 5th century : 35th inning
  3. 10th century: 59th inning
  4. 15th century: 89th inning
  5. 20th century: 107th inning
  6. 25th century: 130th inning
  7. 29th century: 148th inning
  8. 30th century: 159th inning
  9. 31st century: 165th inning
  10. 32nd century: 179th inning
  11. 33rd century: 181st inning
  12. 34th century: 192nd inning
  13. 35th century: 200th inning
  ponting:
  1. 1st century: 11th inning
  2. 5th century : 48th inning
  3. 10th century: 87th inning
  4. 15th century: 102th inning
  5. 20th century: 116th inning
  6. 25th century: 156th inning
  7. 29th century: 169th inning
  8. 30th century: 170th inning
  9. 31st century: 174th inning
  10. 32nd century: 176th inning
  11. 33rd century: 178st inning
  
  we can see
  
  ponting made 33th century in 178 inning on the other hand sachin made his 33th in 181th…this mean there is gap b/w sachin and ponting, although sachin made last 6 century in 52 innings after his 29th centuryon the other hand ponting made last 8 century in 22 innings.
  
  Reason 2: after ponting started his career:
  
  when ponting started his career that sachin has played 38 test matches and he has made 2483 runs. he also made 8 hundred and 13 hundred. But here I am talking about sachin career after ponting started his career
  
  Comparision between both career after when ponting started his career.
  
  Sachin career after when ponting started his career.
  Match 96
  innings 160
  not out 15
  run 8107
  highest 241*
  average 56.0
  century 27
  50’s 29
  0’s 9
  ponting after 182 innings
  inning 182
  notout 25
  run 9323
  highest 257
  average 59.38
  century 33
  50’s 36
  0’s 8
  
  here these records shows that sachin average is less because ponting
  has notout more than sachin. if we do not consider than.
  
  Sachin career after when ponting started his career(notout not consider)
  Match 96
  innings 160
  run 8107
  highest 248*
  average 50.66
  century 27
  50’s 28
  0’s 9
  ponting after 182 innings (when notout is not consider)
  match 109
  inning 182
  run 9323
  highest 257
  average 51.47
  century 33
  50’s 36
  0’s 8
  
  ASPECTS:
  
  1. u can see sachin and ponting average is almost similar although sachin is not making runs last 1 years.
  
  2. pointing made 1 century in 5.5 innings. On the other hand sachin made 1 century in 5.8 inning, although sachin has not made a single centuries last 15 innings.
  
  3. sachin made 1 half century in 5.6 innings. On the hand ponting made 1 half century in 5.1 innings.
  
  Reason 3:century against opponents:
  
  Sachin made most of the century against good bowlers.sachin faced the attack of shane warne, mcgrath, mac lewis, walsh, ambrose,waquar,wasim, murali.
  On the other hand ponting made his century when all the dangerous bowler have taken retirement from the cricket.ponting made only 1 century against srilanka when he have to face murali.
  
  (a) sachin century:-
  
  century against Australia=7
  
  shane warne, ----706
  glenn mcgrath, ---557
  mcdermott, ----291
  bruce read-----113
  brett lee----225
  Jason gilespee--259
  merv Hughes,--212
  steve Waugh--92
  allan border:39
  tom moody:2
  paul reiffel:104
  whitney:39
  kasprovicz,:---113
  Robertson:13
  mark Waugh:59
  blewett :14
  dale:6
  lehman:15
  fleming:75
  miller:69
  
  total wickets=== 3003
  
  century against England:=6
  
  Malcolm:128
  Fraser: 177
  Hemmings: 43
  Lewis:93
  Atherton:2
  Jarvis:21
  Tufnell:121
  Hick:23
  Salisbury:20
  Cork:131
  mullally:58
  irani:3
  m patel:1
  ealham:17
  hoggard:234
  caddick:234
  tudor:28
  flintoff:193
  giles:143
  butcher:15
  Vaughan:6
  White:59
  Dawson:11
  
  Total wickets==== 1761
  
  century against Pakistan:-2
  
  Wasim Akram :414
  Waqar Younis:373
  Shahid Afridi:47
  Saqlain Mushtaq:208
  Nadeem Khan:2
  shoiab akhtar:165
  sami:73
  shabbir ahmed:51
  abdur razzaq:100
  imran farhat:3
  
  total wickets====1436
  
  century against south Africa:-3
  
  Donald:330
  McMillan :75
  Matthews :52
  Cronje :43
  Kirsten:2
  Pollock :403
  Adams :134
  Klusener:80
  Hayward:54
  Kallis :202
  Ntini:289
  Boje:100
  
  Total wickets: ==1760
  
  Century against srilanka:=7
  
  Wickramasinghe:85
  Liyanage :17
  Warnaweera:32
  Gurusinha :20
  Hathurusingha:17
  Kalpage :12
  Ranatunga:16
  PA de Silva :29
  Anurasiri :41
  Muralitharan:674
  Vaas :313
  Pushpakumara:58
  Dharmasena :69
  Jayasuriya :96
  Fernando:69
  Bandara:16
  Dilshan:6
  Jayawardene:4
  KSC de Silva:16
  Perera:1
  Upashantha:4
  Arnold:11
  
  Total wickets: --- 1606
  
  Century against newzealand:-3
  
  Doull:98
  Cairns:218
  Nash:93
  Vettori:229
  McMillan:28
  Wiseman:61
  Astle:51
  O'Connor:53
  Harris:16
  
  Total wickets:---- 847
  
  Century against westendies:-3
  
  Walsh :519
  Ambrose:405
  Benjamin:92
  Cummins :8
  Hooper:114
  Chanderpaul:8
  Adams :27
  Dillon :131
  Cuffy :43
  Sanford :30
  Black :12
  Lawson:51
  Powell:47
  Gayle:53
  Sarwan:23
  Samuels:5
  
  Total wickets:--1568
  
  Century against Zimbabwe:-3
  
  Streak:216
  BC Strang:56
  Murphy:18
  Olonga:68
  PA Strang:70
  Nkala:11
  Viljoen:1
  GW Flower:25
  Watambwa:14
  Price:69
  Friend :25
  Gripper:6
  
  Total wickets-----579
  
  Century against Bangladesh:-1
  
  Tapash Baisya :36
  Mashrafe Mortaza:50
  Mushfiqur Rahman :13
  Mohammad Rafique:87
  Manjural Islam Rana:5
  Mohammad Ashraful:9
  
  Total wickets:-----200
  
  
  Sachin made centuries against those bowlers who take 12739 wickets in his career yet.
  Century per wicket:-12759/35=364
  
  ponting century
  
  Century against India:4
  
  Srinath:236
  Agarkar:58
  BKV Prasad:96
  Ganguly :26
  Kumble:544
  Laxman:1
  Khan:126
  Nehra :44
  Vijay Bharadwaj:1
  Tendulkar: 37
  Kanitkar :0
  Pathan :91
  Sehwag :14
  
  Total wickets:--1268
  
  Century against England:7
  
  Gough:229
  Headley:60
  Smith:0
  Ealham:17
  Croft:49
  Butcher:15
  Caddick:234
  Mullally:58
  Tudor:28
  Ramprakash:4
  Hoggard:234
  Jones:59
  White:59
  Giles:143
  Harmison:185
  Dawson:11
  Vaughan:6
  Flintoff:193
  Piterson:1
  James Anderson:43
  I r bell:1
  
  Total wickets:--1619
  
  Century against westendies:6
  
  Dillon:131
  Collins:106
  Lawson:51
  Drakes:33
  Samuels:5
  Ganga :1
  Ambrose:405
  Walsh:519
  Perry:10
  Hooper:114
  Bernard:0
  Hinds:5
  Best:26
  Banks:28
  Gayle:53
  Sarwan:23
  Edwards:63
  Powell:47
  Collymore:82
  
  Total wickets:--1702
  
  Century against newzealand:2
  
  Cairns: 218
  Tuffey:66
  Bond:74
  Vettori:229
  McMillan:28
  Astle:51
  Martin:106
  Franklin:76
  Wiseman:61
  
  Total wickets:---909
  
  Century against Pakistan:4
  
  Wasim Akram:414
  Mohammad Akram :17
  Shoaib Akhtar:165
  Azhar Mahmood:39
  Saqlain Mushtaq:208
  Wajahatullah :0
  Waqar Younis:373
  Mohammad Sami:73
  Abdul Razzaq:100
  Taufeeq Umar:0
  Danish Kaneria:183
  Naved-ul-Hasan:16
  Mohammad Asif:30
  Shahid Afridi:47
  
  Total wickets:---1665
  
  Century against sa:7
  
  Donald:330
  Pollock:403
  Klusener:80
  McMillan:75
  Symcox:37
  Kallis:202
  Cronje:43
  Ntini:289
  Adams:134
  Hall:41
  Nel:91
  Boje:100
  Langeveldt:16
  Botha:2
  
  Total wickets:--1837
  
  Century against srilanka:1
  
  Vaas:313
  Zoysa:64
  Herath:35
  Muralitharan:674
  Jayasuriya:96
  Arnold:11
  
  Total wickets:---1193
  
  Century against Zimbabwe:1
  
  Streak :216
  Blignaut:53
  Mahwire:18
  Price:69
  Ewing:2
  
  Total wickets:--358
  
  Century against Bangladesh:1
  
  Mashrafe Mortaza:50
  Shahadat Hossain:16
  Mohammad Rafique:87
  Enamul Haque jnr:32
  
  Total wickets:---85
  
  ponting made centuries against those bowlers who take 10626 wickets in his career yet
  Century per wicket:-10646/33=322
  
  
  ASPECTS:
  
  1. we can see sachin made his century on the 356 wickets,where as ponting made his century on 322 wickets.
  
  2. sachin made 7 centuries against Australia in 21 matches(1 century in every 3rd match). Everyone knows Australia is the most powerful attack in the world. On the other hand ponting made only 4 centuries against India in 15 matches(1 century in every 3.75 match).although India bowling attack is not good as australia
  
  3.loss of wickets aginst type of bowlers.
  ponting
  Pace bowlers 70%
  Spin bowlers 27%
  
  sachin:
  Pace bowlers 69%
  Spin bowlers 27%
  
  4.Lets make a sacle:
  According to team total wickets I made a scale:
  
  Century against Australia: 10 points
  Century against south Africa: 9 points
  Century against england: 8 points
  Century against westendies: 7 points
  Century against Pakistan: 6 points
  Century against srilanka: 5 points
  Century against India: 4 points
  Century against new Zealand: 3 points
  Century against Zimbabwe: 2 points
  Century against Bangladesh: 1 pints
  
  Points earn by sachin tendulkar: 70+27+48+21+12+35+9+6+1
  Total points: 229.
  Grab 6.54 points for every century
  
  Points earn by ponting:63+56+42+24+5+16+6+2+1
  Grab 6.51 points for every century.
  Total points:215
  
  Reason 4: top 50 innings (have a look)
  
  (a)Ponting top 50 innings:
  
  1.257
  another one man got hundred
  total:558
  when come:1-30
  
  2.242
  single man
  total:556
  when come:1-22
  
  3.207
  made another person century
  total:568
  when come:1-26
  
  4.206
  others 2 player made century
  total score:576
  when come:1-49
  
  5.197
  one another player made century
  total score:451
  when come:4-54
  
  6.196
  made only century
  total score:602
  when come:1-79
  
  7.169
  made only century
  total:403
  when come 1-7
  
  8. 157*
  made another person century
  total:558
  when come:1-223
  
  
  
  9. 156
  made only century
  total:371
  when come:1-25
  
  10.154
  made single century
  total score:552
  when come:1-101
  
  11: 150
  made one another person century
  total score:444
  when come:1-4
  
  12.149
  made single century
  total score:435
  when come:1-9
  
  13:144
  made another man century
  total score:447
  when come:1-39
  
  14:143*
  made single century
  total score:288
  when come:1-30
  
  15:142
  made one another man got hundred
  total score:513
  when come: 1-8
  
  16.141*
  made another person century
  total score:552
  when come:4-267
  
  17. 141
  made single century
  total score:467
  when come:1-5
  
  
  18: 127
  made another person century
  total score: 501
  when come:4-50
  
  19.125
  made another person century
  total:441
  when come:4-52
  
  20.123
  made another person century
  total:492
  when come:1-67
  
  21: 120
  made single ton
  total: 359
  when come:1-22
  
  22: 118*
  made single ton
  total : 307
  when come:1-64
  
  23:117
  made another person century
  total:489
  when come:1-37
  
  24:117
  made another person century
  total:355
  when come:1-2
  
  25.116
  made another person century
  total:307
  when come:1-49
  
  26.113
  made another person century
  total:605
  when come1-43
  
  
  27:105*
  single ton
  total:342
  when come:4-183
  
  28.105
  single ton
  total:383
  when come:1-8
  
  29:105
  single ton
  total:309
  when come:4-77
  
  30:104*
  made another person century
  total:283
  when come:1-71
  
  31:104
  made another person century
  total:490
  when come:4-144
  
  32:103
  made single ton
  total:369
  when come:1-0
  
  33:100
  made single
  total:334
  when come:1-102
  
  34:98
  made another person century
  total:361
  when come:1-28
  
  35:96
  made another2 person century
  total:617
  when come:3-422
  
  
  36:96
  total:188
  when come:4-16
  
  37:92
  total:403
  when come:3-169
  
  38:92
  made another person century
  total:401
  when come:1-43
  
  39:89
  total:315
  when come:1-11
  
  40:88
  made another person century
  total:479
  when come:1-4
  
  41:86*
  total:166
  when come:1-18
  
  42:76*
  made another 2 person century
  total:599
  when come:4-431
  
  43:75
  made another 3 person century
  total:527
  when come:1-0
  
  44:74
  total:308
  when come:1-21
  
  45:73*
  total:294
  when come:5-163
  
  
  
  46:72
  total:176
  when come:1-25
  
  47:71
  made another 2 person century
  total:500
  when come:4-280
  
  48:71
  total:258
  when come:1-0
  
  49:68
  total:456
  when come:1-31
  
  50:68
  made another person century
  total:575
  when come:1-137
  
  (b)Tendulkar top 50 innings:
  
  1.248*
  single ton
  total:526
  when come:2-24
  
  2.241*
  another person got hundred
  total:705
  when come:2-128
  
  3.217
  another 2 batsman made century
  total:583
  when come: 2-102
  
  
  
  
  4.201*
  another 2 batsman made century
  total:609
  when come:2-227
  
  5.194*
  another person got hundred
  total:675
  when come:2-173
  
  6.193
  another 2 batsman made century
  total:628
  when come:2-185
  
  7.179
  another person got hundred
  total:546
  when come:2-49
  
  8.177
  another person got hundred
  total:521
  when come:2-33
  
  9.177
  single ton
  total:424
  when come:2-109
  
  10.176
  another 2 person got hundred
  total:570
  when come:2-209
  
  11.176
  another person got hundred
  total:471
  when come:2-11
  
  12.169
  another person got hundred
  total:359
  when come:3-25
  
  
  13: 165
  another person got hundred
  total:560
  when come:2-149
  
  14:155*
  single ton
  total:418
  when come:2-115
  
  15:155
  another person got hundred
  total:279
  when come:2-43
  
  16:148*
  another person got hundred
  total:483
  when come:4-201
  
  17:148
  another person got hundred
  total:512
  when come:2-55
  
  18:143
  another 2 person got hundred
  total:537
  when come:2-183
  
  
  19:142
  another person got hundred
  total:511
  when come:2-84
  
  20:139
  another person got hundred
  total:375
  when come:2-9
  
  21:136
  single ton
  total:258
  when come:2-6
  
  22.126*
  another person got hundred
  total:505
  when come:2-181
  
  23:126
  single ton
  total:501
  when come:2-211
  
  24:124*
  single ton
  total:306
  when come:2-74
  
  25.122
  single ton
  total:219
  when come:2-17
  
  26.122
  another person got hundred
  total:458
  when come:2-134
  
  27:119*
  single ton
  total:343
  when come:4-109
  
  28:117
  single ton
  total:339
  when come:2-38
  
  29:116
  single ton
  total:238
  when come:2-11
  
  30:114
  single ton
  total:272
  when come:2-69
  
  31:113
  single ton
  total:356
  when come:3-112
  
  32:111
  single ton
  total:227
  when come:2-27
  
  33:109
  single ton
  total:290
  when come:2-56
  
  34:104*
  another person got hundred
  total:359
  when come:2-176
  
  35:103
  single ton
  total:291
  when come:2-64
  
  36.97
  total:225
  when come:2-39
  
  37:96
  total:541
  when come:2-182
  
  38:94
  total:516
  made another person century
  when come:2-216
  
  39:92
  total:319
  when come:2-42
  
  40:92
  total:424
  made another person century
  when come:2-11
  
  41:90
  total:238
  when come:2-22
  
  42:88
  total:358
  when come:4-152
  
  43:88
  made another person century
  total:436
  when come:2-171
  
  44:88
  made another person century
  total:469
  when come:2-76
  
  45:86
  total:252
  when come:2-25
  
  46:85
  total:333
  when come:3-11
  
  47:83
  total:355
  when come:2-68
  
  48:79
  made another person century
  total:395
  when come:2-21
  
  49:78
  made another person century
  total:591
  when come:2-174
  
  50:76
  total:176
  when come:2-25
  
  ASPECTS:
  
  
  1.ponting came when other player made 3748 runs on 88 wickets
  42.6 run for a wicket, pointing made 6138 when Australia made21330
  28.8 %...other 32 centuries.
  
  2.sachin come when others made 4645 runs on loss of 111 wickets
  41.8 run per wicket
  sachin made 6462 team made 20882
  it means sachin made 31% run him self
  30 other centuries……..
  
  3.here u can see when sachin come on crease India has 2 down for83 on the other hand when ponting come than score is 1-43.
  
  4.there is no backup for sachin.in his top 50 innings sachin made 5o times above 75 on the hand ponting made only 43 times above 50.
  
  Reason 5:Now consider their overall career.
  
  Sachin career:
  
  Match 134
  innings 215
  not out 22
  run 10590
  highest 248*
  average 54.87
  century 35
  50’s 42
  0’s 13
  
  ponting career
  match 109
  inning 182
  notout 25
  run 9323
  highest 257
  average 59.34
  century 33
  50’s 36
  0’s 8
  
  
  
  
  ASPECTS:
  
  
  
  
  1. sachin
  double hundred: 4
  above 150: 15
  above 100: 35
  above 75: 51
  above 50: 77
  
  2.ponting:
  double hundred: 4
  above 150: 11
  above 100: 33
  above 75: 43
  above 50: 69
  
  [blueReason 6: career in won and lost matches:
  
  (a)
  [Sachin career in won matches:
  
  Match 42
  innings 66
  not out 10
  run 3522
  highest 248*
  average 53.36 and 62.89
  century 12
  50’s 12
  0’s
  
  ponting career in won matches:
  match 77
  inning 125
  notout 21
  run 6864
  highest 257
  average 54.9 & 66
  century 26
  50’s 25
  0’s 4
  
  (b)
  Sachin career in lost matches:
  Match 38
  innings 76
  not out 0
  run 2642
  highest 177
  average 35.70
  century 8
  50’s 9
  0’s 4
  
  ponting career in lost matches:
  match 15
  inning 30
  notout 0
  run 1198
  highest 242
  average 39.93
  century 3
  50’s 6
  0’s 4
  
  
  
  1.if u are thinking that here ponting is leading then u are thiking wrong.because ponting is play for Australia where they have won there 80% of matches on the other hand sachin is play for India where most of the sachin good inninigs converted into the match result draw due to bowler performance
  
  2.australian has two leading bowlers shane and mcgrath.they bowled out opponents but on the other hand India has only anil kumble, so he is not able to bowled out opponents lonely.
  
  3.sachin and ponting both made 1 century in 5 inning in win matches and in lost matches sachin made a century in 9 innings.on the other hand ponting made a century in 10 innings.it means sachin fight lonely In lost matches.
  
  Reason 7: career in home and away matches
  
  (a)
  Sachin career in home:
  Match 60
  innings 99
  not out 10
  run 4917
  highest 217
  average 55.24
  century 16
  50’s 19
  0’s
  
  ponting career in home:
  match 61
  inning 101
  notout 17
  run 5438
  highest 257
  average 64.73
  century 18
  50’s 24
  0’s 4
  
  (b)
  Sachin career in away:
  Match 74
  innings 116
  not out 12
  run 5610
  highest 248*
  average 54.54
  century 19
  50’s 23
  0’s
  
  ponting career in away:
  match 45
  inning 77
  notout 8
  run 3543
  highest 206
  average 51.34
  century 13
  50’s 12
  0’s 4
  
  
  
  aspects:
  
  1. u can see ponting made most of the runs at home soil. On the other sachin made most of the runs in foreign
  
  2. sachin made 19 century in away matches on the other hand ponting only made 13 century.
  
  3. sachin made 22 century centuries on asian pitches on the other hand ponting only made 2. no century in India.1 only against srilanka.
  
  Reason 8: score in main grounds:
  
  He scored runs in all parts of world..There are three types of wickets u generally found in Cricket..Fast and bouncy Pitches like in Australia,South-Africa,NewZealand,WestIndies,Zimbabwe. Spin tracks in India,Srilanka,Pakistan,Bangladesh and seeming tracks like in England.
  Here we are taking those ground which has his importance in cricket.also talk about at least single ground of a country.
  
  
  
  (a)Now first check the spin tracks:
  
  the famous track of spin bowling:
  
  Eden garden: lords of India
  Wankhede: help the spinners,
  Chennai: The spiritual home of cricket
  Sydney: pitch's reputation as a spinner's paradise.
  Colombo: srilanka famous ground
  Dhaka: Bangladesh main cricket ground
  
  
  
  In these spin tracks look at the sachin records
  
  Sydney Cricket Ground (Aus)
  3 5 3 498 241* 249.00 2 1 0
  Eden Gardens, Kolkata (Ind)
  8 15 2 555 176 42.69 1 4 1
  Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai (Ind)
  8 14 0 734 148 52.42 1 6 0
  MA Chidambaram Stadium, Chepauk, Chennai (Ind)
  7 11 3 736 165 92.00 4 1 1
  Bangabandhu National Stadium, Dhaka (BD)
  2 2 1 266 248* 266.00 1 0 0
  Sinhalese Sports Club Ground, Colombo (SL)
  3 6 2 456 139 114.00 3 1 0
  
  In these spin tracks look at the ponting records
  
  Sydney Cricket Ground (Aus)
  11 19 5 1181 207 84.35 5 4 0
  Eden Gardens, Kolkata (Ind)
  2 4 0 75 60 18.75 0 1 1
  Wankhede Stadium, Mumbai (Ind)
  2 3 0 23 12 7.66 0 0 1
  MA Chidambaram Stadium, Chepauk, Chennai (Ind)
  2 4 0 31 18 7.75 0 0 1
  Narayanganj Osmani Stadium, Fatullah (BD)
  1 2 1 139 118* 139.00 1 0 0
  Sinhalese Sports Club Ground, Colombo (SL)
  2 3 1 217 105* 108.50 1 1 0
  
  now u can see ponting average is less than sachin where the tracks are useful for spinners.ponting is not a great batsman of spin bowling.
  
  Now count his overall performance in spin track
  
  Sachin:
  
  Matches:31
  Innings:53
  Not out:11
  Runs:3245
  Average:77.3
  Highest:248
  Century:12
  Half century:13
  Century in every 4th inning
  More than 50 in every 2 inning approx
  
  ponting:
  
  matches:20
  innings:35
  not out:7
  runs:1666
  average:59.5
  century:7
  half century:6
  century in every 5th inning
  more than 50 in every 3 inning approx
  
  (b)Now check the bouncy tracks:
  the famous tracks of fast bowling
  Melbourne:first odi and first test match played here
  Perth:- a reputation for being a fast and hard track
  Wellington: Cricket in Wellington received a surprise boost
  Wanderes: good for batting and short boundries
  Port of spain:the most picturesque of the old grounds in the West Indies
  Harare: country's major Test and one-day venue
  Durban: The ground certainly has had its highs and lows. uneven bounce
  
  
  
  
  
  In these bouncy tracks look at the sachin records
  
  Melbourne Cricket Ground (Aus):
  3 6 0 267 116 44.50 1 1 1
  W.A.C.A. Ground, Perth (Aus)
  1 2 0 119 114 59.50 1 0 0
  Basin Reserve, Wellington (NZ)
  2 4 0 219 113 54.75 1 1 0
  New Wanderers Stadium, Johannesburg (SA)
  3 6 0 214 111 35.66 1 0 0
  Kingsmead, Durban (SA)
  3 5 0 93 63 18.60 0 1 1
  Queen's Park Oval, Port of Spain, Trinidad (WI)
  2 3 0 205 117 68.33 1 1 1
  Harare Sports Club (Zim)
  3 5 0 130 69 26.00 0 1 1
  
  In these bouncy tracks look at the ponting records
  
  Melbourne Cricket Ground (Aus)
  10 18 5 910 257 170.00 3 3 0
  W.A.C.A. Ground, Perth (Aus)
  11 15 0 811 197 54.06 1 6 0
  Basin Reserve, Wellington (NZ)
  1 1 0 9 9 9.00 0 0 0
  Kingsmead, Durban (SA)
  2 4 0 342 116 185.50 2 1 0
  Queen's Park Oval, Port of Spain, Trinidad (WI)
  1 2 0 251 206 125.50 1 0 0
  New Wanderers Stadium, Johannesburg (SA)
  2 3 0 93 39 31.00 0 0 0
  Harare Sports Club (Zim)
  1 1 0 31 31 31.00 0 0 0
  
  
  (c)Now check the seeming tracks
  famous track of swing bowling:
  lords:- regarded as the home of cricket
  old Trafford: not good pitch for batting
  oval: world oldest ground.
  
  In these seeming tracks look at the sachin records
  
  Lord's, London (Eng)
  3 5 0 96 31 19.20 0 0 0
  Old Trafford, Manchester (Eng)
  1 2 1 187 119* 187.00 1 1 0
  Kennington Oval, London (Eng)
  2 2 0 75 54 37.50 0 1 0
  
  
  In these seeming tracks look at the ponting records
  
  
  Lord's, London (Eng)
  2 4 0 69 42 17.25 0 0 0
  Old Trafford, Manchester (Eng)
  1 2 0 163 156 81.50 1 0 0
  Kennington Oval, London (Eng)
  3 4 0 157 62 39.25 0 1 0
  
  Reason 9: Team support:
  
  Sachin has no support from down the order.every one knows rahul dravid is a good cricketer but sachin always come after rahul.when sachin come India struggles every time.
  
  Batsman who come after sachin:
  1.azharuddin: 22
  2.laxman:10
  3.ganguly:12
  4.dravid:23
  5.sehwag:12
  6.kaif:1
  7.yuvraj:2
  8.ss das:2
  9:jaffer:2
  10:manjereker:4
  11:prabhakar:1
  12:sidhu:9
  13:dhoni:1
  14.nayan mongia:1
  15:shastri:11
  16:kapil dev:8
  17:pravin amre:1
  18:sadagopan ramesh:2
  19:agarkar:1
  20:gambhir:1
  21:srikanth:2
  22:kambli:4
  23:ajay ratra:1
  24:deep das gupta:1
  
  total support:134 centuries
  
  openers for India:43 centuries
  on before sachin:24 centuries(these centuries on no.3)
  (suppose sachin come on no.4)
  after sachin came:67 centuries
  
  
  
  
  
  
  ponting support:
  
  1.steve Waugh:32
  2.mark Waugh:20
  3.justin langer:23
  4.mark taylor:19
  5.hayden:27
  6:martyn:13
  7.micheal slater:14
  8:tom moody:2
  9:Darren lehman:4
  10:ian heally:4
  11:Mathew elliot:3
  12:adam gilchrist:17
  13:greg blewett:4
  14:simon katich:2
  15:symond:1
  16:Clarke:4
  17:hussey:5
  18:brad hodge:1
  19:martin love:1
  20:Gillespie:1
  total support: 197 centuries
  
  
  
  Australian openers: 110 centuries
  After ponting: 87 centuries
  
  Aspects:
  
  1. the main point is that sachin always take the burden of his team. in his career sachin made 35 century and his colleges only made 134 centuries. It means other person never support sachin
  2. on the other hand ponting made 33 centuries where their colleges made 197 centuries, lot of support.
  3. when sachin come on the crease openers gave only support 43 centuries in 134 matches
  4. whereas ponting has given a support of 110 centuries from their openers in 110 matches.
  5. when sachin came on the crease. He has to take all the responsibility himself.because after sachin 67 centuries
  6. on the other hand after ponting a support of 87 centuries.player like hussey,Waugh, gilchrist have to come after ponting.
  
  reason10. people expectations and injury probelm
  
  tendulkar played under huge pressure. 1 billion people expecting you to perform in every match. To perform consistely well for 17 years as per expectations is just brilliant. Coming at a time when the country was starved of sporting heroes, Sachin has carried the nation's hopes on his broad shoulders, for more than a decade. The pressure was always there, more so as the opposition and team-mates alike considered that victory and defeat rested on his performance. Remember there were no Dravids, Laxmans and Gangulys then. Still he has risen to become one of the best in the world.
  Sachin always face a lot of injury like tennis elbow, shoulder injury, his backbone and many more, because India team always plays too many one days.
  On the other hand when ponting played his bowlers out other team with in three days. No more labour.
  Sachin have to also perform with bowl for their team
  
  At last I will say only one thing..plz don’t consider last 1-2 years performance.
  Sachin was great.sachin Is great and sachin will great.
  On the other hand
  Ponting was good.ponting is great and ponting will good
  
  

• From: Raghu on Wed Jul 2 7:44:59 2008.

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  er Hello
  
  Kumara Sankakara should be on the list!!!
  
  after all he is the BEST ranked batsmen by ICC, ponting is a Joker,
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Fri Nov 14 15:00:58 2008.

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  For another Nth sachin/best batsman argument in recent times. I pulled out this stat.
  
  Ponting / In Tests/ In India.
  
  http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/player/7133.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=2;opposition=6;orderby=start;template=results;type=batting;view=match
  
  Average is 20.85 with one century in 12 tests.
  
  

• From: ajithfederer on Wed Nov 19 13:28:42 2008.

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  http://blogs.cricinfo.com/itfigures/archives/2008/09/tendulkar_and_richards_swap_pl.php#more
  
  September 1, 2008
  
  Posted by Ananth Narayanan at 2:22 PM in Trivia - batting
  
  Tendulkar and Richards swap places as best ODI batsmen
  
  Sachin Tendulkar pips Viv Richards to the top of the list © AFP
  I started this. So I have to finish it...
  
  It is amusing. A few days back whole lot of people were lambasting me for not having Tendulkar on top. Now another set of people are screaming that Tendulkar is on top. Hey guys, this is only an analysis. I am one insignificant analyst who works with a computer and a Cricket database. The greats remain greats, whatever I (or for that matter you all) say.
  
  Just one more thing. Unlike what some have suggested, I have not gone out of the way to put Tendulkar on top. He is one of the greatest but NOT my favourite batsman.
  
  As done before I have incorporated a summary response to readers' comments at the end.
  
  In my previous article I had taken two important ODI batting measures and attempted to analyse batsmen skills using those. It elicited the usual comments on the additional parameters for consideration. Hence instead of doing a straightforward follow-up to that analysis, I have gone the whole hog and after considering all relevant parameters, come out with what I feel should be a very fair ODI batsmen ranking based on what they have achieved over their careers.
  
  The following 8 facors are considered.
  
  1. Total runs scored (TRS)
  2. Batting Average (AVGE)
  3. Runs per Innings (RPI)
  4. Strike Rate (STRT)
  5. Quality of bowlers faced (BOWQTY)
  6. % of Team runs (TRPER)
  7. Wins achieved
  - Absolute number of wins (WINS)
  - Win % of matches played (WINSPER)
  8. MOM awards received/frequency (MOM).
  
  A brief description of each factor and the weights given to each parameter is outlined below. The total points add up to a nice round sum of 100.
  
  1. Total runs scored (20 points)
  
  This is a recognition of the longevity of the player. There is no doubt that the runs scored has to be given decent weightage. At the same time care has been taken to see that the olden era players such as Richards, Greenidge et al do not suffer unduly. My belief is that it is very unlikely for any batsman, including Tendulkar, to exceed 20000 runs. Hence the limit seems correct. The formula used is
  
  * TRS = Total runs scored / 1000.
  
  2. Batting Average (15 points)
  
  This is a straightforward calculation. We need not worry about not-outs since there is a separate factor for that. Since the batting average is unlikely ever to exceed 60.0, we are within the maximum level. The formula used is
  
  * AVGE = Batting average / 4.0.
  
  Note: David Barry is doing some simulation work with a view to establish a correlation between Average and Strike Rates. It is too early to incorporate these first level findings. Hence at this stage I have taken the simple, easily understandable method of separating the Average and Strike Rate measures with individual weightages. Similarly Jeff Grimshaw's ideas about treating balls played as a resource and giving credit for the same is quite good. However I do not want too many overlapping parameters. Already I have Average and RPI.
  
  3. Runs per Innings (5 points)
  
  This is to mitigate the factor of a high number of not-outs, especially for middle-order batsmen. Again a straightforward calculation. Since the Batting average is unlikely ever to exceed 50.0, we are within the maximum level. The formula used is
  
  * RPI = Runs per innings / 10.0.
  
  Note: I briefly toyed with Abhihjeet Dongre's excellent suggestion of excluding from the total number of innings the innings in which the batsman has finished not out at a score below his batting average. This redresses the balance towards middle order batsmen slightly. However I have finally rejected this tweak since I feel that they have already got the full benefit of not outs while calculating the Batting Average. The purpose of separation of these two factors will be lost if I do not use the full complement of innings played.
  
  4. Strike Rate (25 points)
  
  I consider this factor as the most important measure and that is reflected in the weightage. However much we talk about the importance of scoring runs, it is essential that these are scored at a reasonable pace. It does not mean that every century should be a run-a-ball one. However, it is true that many a match has been lost because the batsmen have not moved up the scoring rate at the right time.
  
  However a major tweak has been done. The actual strike rates have been adjusted up or down based on the decade scoring rates pro-rata. In other words, if Viv Richards played between 1975 and 1991, his actual scoring rate has been adjusted pro-rata for the three decades, viz., 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. In general this will mean that the older players will get a slight benefit since the scoring rates were lower, as indicated in the table below.
  
  AllMats 1970s 1980s 1990s 2000s
  
  Matches played 2759 82 516 933 1228
  Batsmen innings 47947 1418 8838 16266 21425
  Runs scored 1142018 30292 202884 386508 522334
  Balls bowled 1473233 46208 277516 505727 643782
  Runs per ball 0.775 0.656 0.731 0.764 0.811
  % of all-matches avge 100.0% 84.6% 94.3% 98.6% 104.7%
  
  The actual and adjusted strike rates for a few top players is given below. All these adjustments seem very reasonable. The only clear cases are for batsmen such as Pietersen and Dhoni who have played all their matches in the current decade and hence have the same adjustment of -4.4%. The others are pro-rata. For instance, Tendulkar's and Lara's strike rates have been adjusted much less since they have played during 1980s, 1990s and 2000s. Zaheer Abbas gains the maximum since his career spanned 1975-1985, the low-scoring years.
  
  Batsman Prev SR Adj SR % chg
  
  Richards I.V.A 90.2 98.4 +9.1%
  Haynes D.L 63.1 66.9 +6.0%
  Jones D.M 72.6 75.4 +3.9%
  Greenidge C.G 64.9 70.8 +9.1%
  Zaheer Abbas 80.0 89.7 +12.1%
  
  Tendulkar S.R 85.5 84.6 -1.1%
  Jayasuriya S.T 91.0 90.1 -1.1%
  Gilchrist A.C 96.9 94.4 -2.7%
  Lara B.C 79.5 78.6 -1.3%
  Sehwag V 99.1 95.3 -3.8%
  Shahid Afridi 111.2 108.2 -2.7%
  Klusener L 89.9 88.2 -1.9%
  Dhoni M.S 91.3 87.2 -4.4%
  Pietersen K.P 87.5 83.6 -4.4%
  
  Since the only Strike Rate to exceed 1.00 is that of Shahid Afridi, I have accepted the fact that only he will exceed the maximum level. The formula used is
  
  * STRT = (Adjusted) Strike Rate x 25.0.
  
  5. Quality of bowling faced (15 points)
  
  This is a double weighted adjustment. The objective is to make sure that the runs acored against stronger teams such as Australia are given much higher weighting than the runs scored against weaker countries such as Zimbabwe. Care also has to be taken that the weaker Australian teams such as those during the mid-1980s are treated accordingly. The complex process is explained below.
  
  First a bowling quality index is found for each innings. This is done by the following formula (somewhat similar to the one used by David Barry). I had thought of this earlier, but dismissed it as too complex. Now I think it is necessary.
  
  Sum of (Balls bowled by each bowler x Bowler's bowling avge)
  Innings BQI = -----------------------------------------------------
  Sum of (Balls bowled by each bowler)
  
  In one of my earlier articles on Team Strength analysis I used a simple average of the top 5 Bowling averages. That was when I was trying to find the strength of team as it walked on to the field. However here I am trying to find how valuable the batsman's innings was. Hence the actual deployment of the bowling resources is necessary. Wasim Akram will make the Pakistani team that much strong, on paper, however, if he did not bowl a single ball, to that extent the bowling lacks sting.
  
  Now comes the second weighting. For this the actual scores of batsman and the Innings BQI are used. The formula is explained below.
  
  Sum of (Batsman innings score x Innings BQI)
  Batsman career BQI = --------------------------------------------
  Sum of (Batsman innings score)
  
  There is some convergence of values as batsmen score many runs. Note the BOWQTY value for the top 5 batsmen. Hence special care has to be taken to assign points. Amongst batsmen who have scored greater than 2000 runs, Craig McMillan is the best with a BQI of 34.48 and Habibul Bashar the worst with a BQI of 43.47. If we lower the limit to 1000 runs, Nicky Boje is the best with a BQI of 31.3 and Glenn Turner the worst with a BQI of 47.63. No batsman has a career BQI below 30.00 and no batsman has a career BQI above 50.0. The Batsman career BQI is used to derive the index value based on the following formula.
  
  * BOWQTY = 50.0 - Batsman career BQI.
  
  6. % of Team runs (5 points).
  
  The value of a batsman to the team is also determined by the share of the batting load he takes. In other words the % of team runs he scores. This is a secondary parameters and has a weighting only of 5 points. With a criteria of 2500 runs and above, the highest share of team runs scored is by Zaheer Abbas with 21.6%, followed by Greenidge with 19.2%, then by Richards with 19.2% and finally by Tendulkar with 18.1%. The formula used is
  
  * TSPER = % of Team share * 20.0.
  
  Upto this point, the full weight will be given only if the batsman has scored above 2000 runs. Else the points secured will be proportionately downsized.
  
  7. Wins achieved (5 points)
  
  Winning is something special, if not everything (as the Americans profess). No one wants to lose. Hence we should give value to this important aspect of the game without going overboard. This is done in two parts. The first is to derive an index value solely based on the number of wins achieved. This will benefit players who have played more games and have been part of successful teams. The highest number of wins achieved is 220 by Jayasuriya, followed by Ponting with 216, Inzamam with 214, Gilchrist with 214 and Tendulkar with 206. The formula used is
  
  * WINS = No of wins /50.0.
  
  8. Win % achieved (5 points)
  
  What about Richards who achieved 132 wins in 187 matches (a 70.6 win %), which is much higher than that of Tendulkar, 206 wins in 417 matches (49.4%) or Steve Waugh, 196 in 325 (60.3%). His win % suffers only in comparison to the current Australian team, some of whom having over 75%.
  
  This factor addresses this problem. Credit is given to the % of wins achieved, subject to minimum number of matches being reached. The formula used is
  
  * WINSPER = % of wins x 5.0.
  
  9. MOM awards received (5 points).
  
  The last parameter is on the MOM awards achieved. This is the only subjective measure, as pointed to by Shankar Krishnan of Riyadh. However since this is the only individual evaluation measure available I have to consider it. Whatever be the idiosyncracies of the adjudicators there is no doubt that the MOM awards are a pointer to the contribution to the wins achieved by the team.
  
  I have tried to remove the subjective factor, to a certain extent, by considering the frequency of awards also in addition to the absolute number of awards. This is also fair to the older players. Consider this. Richards has got 31 awards in 187 matches. He lags far behind Jayasuriya who has got 45 awards in 415 matches. However when we consider the frequency, Richards has a frequency of one in 6 matches, while Jayasuriya, one in 9.2 matches. Incidentally Tendulkar leads the absolute number of awards with 55. The frequency ranges from 6.0 to 20.0 (limiting value). The formula used is
  
  * MOM = (MOM Awards/30.0) + (3.0 * (20.0 - MOM Frequency)/15.0).
  
  For the last two points, the full weight will be given only if the batsman has played above 50 matches. Else the points secured will be proportionately downsized.
  
  Now the table of top 30 ODI batsmen of all time. The table is current upto match 2759, the facile English win over the hapless South Africans, giving them a 4-0 lead.
  
  The top ODI batsmen of all time - as on 28 August 2008.
  
  No.Cty Batsman Total Runs Avge R/I S/R BwQty Wins Win% % TS MOMs
  
  100.0 20.0 15.0 5.0 25.0 15.0 5.0 5.0 5.0 5.0
  
  1.Ind Tendulkar S.R 79.27 16.36 11.08 4.02 21.16 12.13 4.12 2.47 3.61 4.32
  2.Win Richards I.V.A 73.14 6.72 11.75 4.02 24.60 12.20 2.64 3.53 3.85 3.83
  3.Slk Jayasuriya S.T 72.24 12.80 8.18 3.13 22.52 12.01 4.44 2.64 2.89 3.63
  4.Aus Ponting R.T 71.87 11.11 10.81 3.81 19.63 12.63 4.32 3.59 3.19 2.78
  5.Aus Gilchrist A.C 71.12 9.62 8.97 3.45 23.59 12.12 4.04 3.52 2.93 2.88
  6.Win Lara B.C 67.70 10.40 10.12 3.60 19.64 12.38 2.78 2.33 3.43 3.01
  7.Saf Kallis J.H 67.70 9.61 11.17 3.64 17.33 12.98 3.50 3.15 3.26 3.05
  8.Pak Inzamam-ul-Haq 66.72 11.74 9.88 3.35 18.31 11.81 4.28 2.83 3.04 1.48
  9.Aus Bevan M.G 66.00 6.91 13.40 3.53 18.31 13.88 3.10 3.34 3.00 0.53
  10.Ind Ganguly S.C 65.87 11.36 10.26 3.79 18.14 10.64 2.98 2.40 3.27 3.03
  11.Pak Saeed Anwar 65.55 8.82 9.80 3.62 20.20 10.95 2.82 2.85 3.42 3.07
  12.Aus Waugh M.E 65.50 8.50 9.84 3.60 19.39 12.29 3.04 3.11 3.22 2.52
  13.Aus Symonds A 65.43 5.01 10.09 3.19 22.41 12.58 2.98 3.86 2.58 2.74
  14.Slk de Silva P.A 65.02 9.28 8.73 3.14 20.61 12.52 2.56 2.08 3.06 3.05
  15.Win Haynes D.L 64.62 8.65 10.34 3.65 16.74 12.16 3.18 3.34 3.63 2.93
  16.Saf Gibbs H.H 63.66 7.59 9.12 3.39 20.24 11.95 2.88 3.12 3.03 2.36
  17.Ind Dravid R 63.47 10.59 9.87 3.44 17.36 13.25 3.14 2.36 3.00 0.47
  18.Pak Mohammad Yousuf 63.22 9.24 10.80 3.64 18.19 10.81 3.12 2.90 3.12 1.40
  19.Saf Kirsten G 63.06 6.80 10.24 3.67 17.88 13.45 2.40 3.24 3.35 2.03
  20.Saf Klusener L 62.90 3.58 10.28 2.61 22.05 13.92 2.18 3.19 2.27 2.83
  21.Aus Jones D.M 62.82 6.07 11.15 3.77 18.86 11.99 1.96 2.99 3.55 2.48
  22.Aus Hayden M.L 62.80 6.13 10.95 3.96 19.36 12.26 2.38 3.70 3.34 0.72
  23.Pak Javed Miandad 62.74 7.38 10.43 3.39 17.98 13.04 2.38 2.55 3.40 2.18
  24.Saf Rhodes J.N 62.73 5.93 8.78 2.70 20.11 15.00 3.10 3.16 2.46 1.47
  25.Eng Pietersen K.P 62.46 2.82 11.96 3.87 20.90 14.46 0.68 2.10 3.44 2.24
  26.Ind Sehwag V 62.31 5.81 8.11 3.12 23.82 12.41 1.90 2.49 2.70 1.95
  27.Ind Dhoni M.S 62.26 3.79 11.85 3.54 21.80 12.73 1.30 2.71 2.90 1.63
  28.Ind Azharuddin M 62.10 9.38 9.23 3.04 18.97 12.09 3.20 2.40 2.90 0.89
  29.Aus Waugh S.R 61.95 7.57 8.23 2.63 19.26 13.75 3.92 3.02 2.38 1.21
  30.Saf Cronje W.J 61.91 5.57 9.66 3.18 19.26 13.51 2.34 3.11 2.92 2.35
  
  Tendulkar is on top, and deservedly so. He has not only scored lots of runs but scored these at a good pace, scored these against good bowlers and contributed more than his share to the Indian cause.
  
  Richards is in second place, again deservedly so. He has scored only 6721 runs, but made up for the huge shortfall in index points with his outstanding average, strike rate, win % and MOM frequency. He may very well move a little bit down in the list in the years to come. But will not lose any of the aura.
  
  Jayasuriya is next, having made up for his low Average and RPI with a mountain of runs scored at a scorching pace. The Lankan readers will be happy that the contributions of the entertainer non-pareil have been recognized. He has managed to retain the third position depsite a poor run of ODI matches against India.
  
  Ponting and Gilchrist, two great Australian batsman, follow in the next two positions, through different combination of high points. Ponting with high average and good strike rate while Gilchrist with lower average and excellent strike rate. Both have great win related numbers.
  
  Lara, Kallis Inzamam, Bevan and Ganguly complete the top 10. This elite placing of these quality batsmen cannot be debated. In fact Lara and Kallis exchanged places after the last match.
  
  There is no doubt that players such as Pietersen (25th currently), Sehwag (26th), Dhoni (27th) and Hussey (39th) will move up the list as they score more runs. However this may be partly compensated by the possible decrease in their averages. Dhoni is surely on the way to becoming an excellent finisher in the Bevan/Hussey mode and as such is unlikely to drop his average. Pietersen's average could drop a little bit. Hussey's could drop significantly unless otherwise he does what Bevan did over a long career.
  
  It should be noted that if we change the weightings, the batsmen will move up or down the list. For instance, Strike Rate could be reduced to 20 points. In that case, Jayasuriya and Ponting will exchange places. But these are minor movements only. It is my firm belief that the top 2, Tendulkar and Richards will remain where they are, whatever be the weightings.
  
  Batsmen such as Kluesener, Dhoni and Pietersen, who have not even scored 4000 ODI runs have managed to reach the top 30 positions in the all-time best batsmen table. This indicates that the weightings for non-longevity measures have been given due importance.
  
  Finally, one important point to be noted. No analyst starts with an idea to prove that one batsman is superior to another or push their favourite batsmen on top. Such shallow analyses will be found out in no time at all. The idea is to come out with a vehicle for healthy discussion and exchange of views. Hence please avoid rude and vicious comments. They have no chance of being read by any one. Pl make your point in a courteous and acceptable manner. The readers have their right to be heard but also their responsibilities to be constructive and courteous.
  
  To view the complete list, click here
  
  This list consists of batsmen who have scored a minimum of 1000 ODI runs. Please remember that many of the calculated points are downsized for batsmen in the 1000-2000 range. They are included only to show where some of the batsmen from the lesser countries stand.
  
  Summary response to readers' comments (Possible tweaks)
  
  1. Avoidance of double weighting for "Wins".
  
  2. Possible cap on Runs scored weighting.
  
  3. Adjust for the paucity of matches played during the early 10 years.
  
  4. Giving weight to key tournament wins such as World Cup and Champion's Trophy.
  
  5. The subjective nature of MOMs, already mentioned by me in the main post does not go well with readers.
  
  6. Quite a few readers have, while accepting Tendulkar's position at no.1, have questioned the wide gap between Tendulkar and Richards. It worries some readers that this gap will keep on widening.
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• From: ajithfederer on Mon Nov 2 12:48:31 2009.

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  Indian Cricket Fever
  Australia vs ROW: The Lara-Sachin Epic
  
  By Raul - 31 August '03
  September 19 2003
  
  
  It was the Rest of the World playing Australia. I remember it like it happened yesterday - the First Test, and as it happened, the only Test - at Brisbane.
  PROLOGUE
  “It was the Rest of the World playing Australia. I remember it like it facting happened yesterday - the First Test, and as it happened, the only Test - at Brisbane. Rest of the World, sent in to bat by Steve Waugh, was tottering at 6 for 2, with both Michael Vaughan and Gary Kirsten gone! Vaughan snicked a McGrath outswinger to Gilchrist and Gary was bounced out by a fiery Lee,” mused the older man. The bespectacled younger man sitting next to him said, “Yeah, I remember, too. Brian Lara came in at no.3, followed next over by Sachin at no.4, right? What a pairing, maan!”
  
  The older man seems irritated by the interruption, but continues reminiscing, “Dravid and Chanders are padded up in the pavilion. And it's McGrath and Brett Lee at full steam, revved up by their early success. Gillespie and Warne are prowling in the sidelines, awaiting their skipper’s call. Waugh has three slips and two gullies in place. McGrath is beginning a new over to Sachin...”
  
  EPISODE ONE
  
  
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  McGrath decides he needs to sledge Sachin to wind him up a little. He begins by bowling a short one outside off, and spits on his follow-through: "So...you broke these days, I hear? Asking the government to pay duty on your sports car?"
  Sachin glares back at him under his helmet, takes fresh guard six inches outside leg stump from umpire Hariharan. As Pidge turns back to his bowling run, Sachin squeaks, "Bowl at my stumps, Glen... Try and get me clean bowled." Next ball, Pidge tries to york Sachin, who straight drives him with minimal effort to the sight screen. Lara, a big fan and student of Sachin's batting is expecting this and jumps in perfect timing to avoid the ball whizzing between him and the stumps. Pidge glares at Sachin, who looks towards square leg, shrugs, adjusts his abdominal guard and takes stance.
  
  The next ball is an outswinger. Sachin watches it very closely into Gilly's gloves. "Hit that if you can, you little so-and-so...," chirps Pidge. Lara comes a couple of steps down the pitch, taps the pitch with his bat while looking closely at Sachin from under his maroon helmet. He catches the Bombay Blaster's eye, winks and goes back.
  
  The next one is a little short from McGrath but has steepling bounce and is just outside off. Sachin steps back and across and powerfully uppercuts it over third man for six. The crowd, which has had plenty of action so far, now goes completely berserk. Lara comes down the pitch, beaming broadly, and pats Sachin on the shoulder. Sachin shrugs, says a couple of words to Lara while pointing to mid-on and then resumes batting. He deliberately lofts the next ball, good length, over Lee's head at mid-on and the ball races for another boundary.
  
  EPISODE TWO
  
  
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  McGrath gets one to lift from just short of a length on middle and leg. Sachin, with his outside-the-leg stance, is just about able to get up on tippy-toe and play it down. However, his bat speed and the weight of his bat help the ball go past the bowler and the batsmen cross for a single. Waugh decides to attack Lara for the last ball. Anticlimactically, Lara nudges a good length ball on off to square and gets off the mark. You know it's a good day for a spectator when Lara turns the first ball he gets that square from an off stump line.
  Waugh and Lee are deep in conversation as are the two batting princes in the middle. Sachin seems to be belaboring a point while the Prince of Trinidad, long white sleeves flapping as he squints into the sun, seems to be barely paying attention. But as Sachin stops talking, Lara turns to him and smiles broadly. Brian Charles Lara is enjoying this, while Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar seems all business, very serious. Then Lara turns towards his crease, all grace and quick steps as he adjusts his helmet strap. He checks his guard with umpire Taufel and then looks around to survey the field. Four slips, two gullies, cover point, mid-off and the lone man on the leg side at a funny position between mid-on and mid-wicket. Tugga has been studying tapes with Buchanan and has noted the Trinidadian's penchant for pulling in the air. He may have asked his hit man Lee to try and bounce Lara out. The suspicions are confirmed when Tugga asks the man at cover point to come further in, to silly mid-off. The man at mid-off, Justin Langer, is now moved to forward short leg. Just as Lee reaches the top of his run- up, Sachin decides to slow things down a bit. He takes a couple of steps down the pitch and says something to Lara. Lara nods in response and takes stance. The packed crowd at the Woolloongabba starts a slow hand-clap as Lee starts running in. Predictably, he begins with a wide one outside off, not too fast, around 90.
  
  Gillespie at mid-on runs up to his colleague and says something in his ears and goes back to his position. Ponting at point claps loudly and urges everyone, "C'mon, boys. One more." Lee comes in again and bowls a 97 mph thunderbolt. Unfortunately, it's a tad too full. Lara, already into his high back lift and the typical feinting movement backwards, flows into a booming cover-drive like a ballet dancer. There is no one there, and someone from the flag-waving, cheering crowd, picks the ball up and throws it towards Damien Martyn, who polishes the ball and walks up to Lee to offer some encouragement. Tony Greig is undergoing orgasmic convulsions in the commentary box: "It's gone, it's outta heeeeeeeeere!!!! Lara has blasted this one to the cover fence!! Oh, my goodness!! I think Lee has lost the plot somewhat here. I don't think Waugh would be a very happy man right now (close-up of Tugga is now on the giant display screen, courtesy Channel Nine, looking his inscrutable Buddha-self with his head cupped in one hand at second slip). Greig continues his ejaculation: "20 runs have come off the last eight balls and the two greatest masters of the art of batting have come to the party here at the GABBA."
  
  Lee steams back in, looking a little aggrieved, and bounces Lara. The ball is way too high and Lara calmly watches it fly over his head to Gilly. The next ball is also short and very quick. Lara swivel-pulls on one leg to the mid-wicket boundary, his bat speed camouflaging the superb control over the shot as it speeds all along the carpet to the mid-wicket boundary.
  
  Now Lee is in trouble and he knows he has to come up with something better. So he does, with a searing, scorching delivery at 97.9 mph that kicks off from just short of good length and Lara who is committed to the front foot can only jump up and contort his upper body and drop his hands to miss the ball. The ball swishes his shirt sleeve and all the Aussies go up as one for an appeal. But this time, Taufel only smiles benignly in reply.
  
  EPISODE THREE
  
  
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  Lee finishes the over with a splendid inswinging yorker, which Lara keeps out of his stumps. Lee fields on his follow through and tell Lara, “Hit that one, mate…” Lara looks disdainfully at Lee and turns to walk towards the middle where Sachin awaits him. Tugga, Punter, Gilly, Martyn and Lehmann are talking to McGrath. Looks like they have a plan for the Bombay Blaster. A deep third man is set, as is a deep square cover. Greig asks Boycott, “So Geoffrey, what do you think is Waugh planning to do? Does he want to trap Tendalkar into upper cutting into the waiting hands of Martyn at third man?” Boycott replies in his Yorkshire accent, “Well, if Sachin uppercuts with a man placed there for that shot, he’s dafter than me mum. I think it’s a bluff. Watch out, it will be a yorker. McGrath should be bowling fuller, especially in these early stages, just a little bit fuller, you know? A couple of inches… That could pose some more questions.”
  McGrath goes on top of his bowling mark. Three slips, deep third man, gully, deep square cover, mid-off, mid-on and a square leg, slightly finer than usual. McGrath comes in, bowls one on perfect length, just outside off. It cuts away sharply after pitching. Sachin goes for a booming cover drive, misses completely. The Australian slip cordon jumps up in unison and exclaims in frustration, while the crowd gasps. They gasp again as they watch the action replay on the giant screen. The next one from McGrath is on an awkward length and climbs on Sachin. He sways outside the line at the last minute, with the ball passing within inches of the brand new french beard he’d started to cultivate. Tugga and the others clap in appreciation. McGrath goes up to Sachin, “What’d that smell like, mate?”
  
  McGrath bowls a good length ball next up and Sachin punches it defensively down the track. McGrath picks up and walks back to his bowling mark. Tugga decides to bring in the deep square cover to a second, widish gully now. McGrath bowls a straight one on length, well outside off, Sachin flashes at it, misses and punches the air in disgust with his left hand. Lara comes down the track and says something to Tendulkar. The next ball, McGrath strays on to Sachin’s pads and he neatly works it away with minimum effort to the mid-on boundary for four. “Woonderful shot from Sashin,” comments Boycott. “McGrath beat him, but I think these two have the right idea. If it is there in the slot, it has to go.”
  
  Last ball of the over, Sachin has a big hoick at a shorter length slower delivery. The ball balloons high up and Lee at mid-on makes a brilliant run followed by a body-twisting, athletic dive but the ball eludes his finger tips. Sachin looks down at the pitch in self-annoyance as he completes the single and watches Lee fail to pouch the chance. End of the over. Rest of the World, 28-2.
  
  Suddenly, Tugga pulls a master-stroke, or so it seems. Lee, who has been bowling from the Vulture Street End, is being replaced. He throws the ball to Shane Warne who will now bowl from the Vulture Street End.
  
  EPISODE FOUR
  
  
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  Shane Warne, with his brand new coiffeur blowing in the slight breeze, is slowly spinning the ball and catching it with one hand, while discussing his field with Tugga. Two slips, a silly point, a forward short-leg and a leg-gully form the close–in field. There’s a man patrolling the third man boundary, a long off, square leg and deep mid wicket. “Warnie may try a couple of flippers or maybe even a slip a googly in here, what do you think, Geoffrey?” “I think Steve Waugh is trying to change ends, that’s all. And add a bit of excitement and uncertainty in the batmen’s minds. Also, I think he’d be interested to see how the slower pace of Warne might affect the stroke play of these two geniooses out there, you know? Timing-wise. A smart move by a thinkin’ cap’n, I would say.”
  Warne starts off with a regulation leg-spinner to Sachin who defends towards Punter at silly point. “Well bowled, Warnie,” shouts Gilly. Sachin sweeps at the next one, but fails to time it. He however gets hold of the next one, dancing down the pitch and lofting it high and handsome over the sight screen. Greig screams into his microphone, “That has gone past the taxis that stand at the corner of Duke and Linton Streets, I tell you!!! Maybe one or two cabbies might have to take issue with the master blaster Sashin Tendalkar, I say!! Six o’ the best for the man who is taking the attack to the Aussies now, after their initial success. Shane Warne, deposited over long on, for a huge, huge six! Tendulkar now moves to 26, with two sixes and 2 fours… and a near-life on 20 when Lee failed to hold a tough chance.” Sachin plays out the rest of the over quietly. At 34-2 in 14 overs, an exciting first hour of play is done and drinks are called on the field.
  
  EPISODE FIVE
  
  
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  After drinks (just as Boycott had correctly predicted), Waugh throws the ball to Brett Lee, who now bowls from the Stanley Street End.
  What followed was the perhaps the fastest spell Lee ever bowled in his career. The cherry was whizzing past noses and helmet frames seemingly at his will. Brett Lee was making the old cherry talk and it was talking business with a very mean accent. At the other end, Glen McGrath was replaced by an inspired and fired up Jason ‘Dizzy’ Gillespie who also threw everything into a tremendous assault on the batting gladiators who seemed intent on setting the Tasman Sea alight with their sparkling stroke play.
  
  Only twelve overs were completed in the second hour, but they were twelve of the best Dizzy and Lee could conjure up. Rippers, jaffers, snorters, rib-ticklers, and one (perhaps miscalculated) beamer. Near misses and fierce hooks, balls brushing shirt sleeves; sharply lifting outswingers and spanking square cuts and drives; reverse swinging yorkers and blazing straight and on-drives—all were testament to one of the epic battles between bat and ball, with no quarter asked and none given. Fierce pride, razor-sharp intensity and breathtaking talent provided a glow of magic to the proceedings for the Brisbane crowd.
  
  At one point, a rising delivery from Lee somehow clambered through the frame of Sachin’s helmet and bloodied his upper lip. Interestingly, that delivery seemed to make Tendulkar even more determined to weather this storm and take the Rest of the World to an impregnable position.
  
  Lara edged a late-swinging one from Gillespie but it fell just short of Matty Hayden who made a valiant attempt to make a catch of it. Sachin had a very loud shout for LBW off a fuller length Lee thunderbolt turned down by umpire Taufel. On replays, it appeared to be missing leg. At lunch, the battered pair of geniuses were still at the crease, with the scoreboard reading 92-2, the two having stitched together an 86-run unbroken partnership. Sachin was on 43 and Lara on 40. Australia had gained a couple of early breakthroughs, but the two batting gurus had wrested the early advantage the Rest of the World’s way through bold stroke play and sheer bloody-mindedness. This was a tougher version of both batsmen on display. Tugga went in to get his salad, a thoughtful man in deep reflection.
  
  EPISODE SIX
  
  
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  After lunch, Waugh attacked with Warnie at one end and McGrath at the other. Pidge produced a very tight, testing second spell, with neither Sachin nor Lara looking their fluent selves from the morning session. It was one over from Warne that changed things. Warne was getting appreciable drift, making the ball bend in its loop away from the left-handed Trinidadian, before pitching wide outside his off-stump and turning sharply in. This is when Warne was at his best: the drift, the loop, the variation in length and sharp, consistent turn. Warne pitched one wide outside off, just short of length and dipping. Lara ballet-danced towards the pitch of the ball and with his left leg dramatically in the air after pushing off for his shot, he nonchalantly lofted it over deep mid-wicket Jason Gillespie’s head for a big six. The timing was so extraordinary and the bat speed so rapid, that most spectators, some of who were in the throes of “Foster’s haze”, didn’t even realize Lara had played anything more than a defensive push. Sachin applauded at the other end. Lara was now on a steady and occasionally spectacular 72. Sachin, quieted down considerably after lunch and the hit on his lip, was on 59. The Rest of the World was on 149-2.
  The next ball, a flipper, was pulled to the mid-wicket boundary for four, just to the right of a diving Martyn at mid-wicket. Warne again flighted the ball. This time it was hit straighter, right over the sight screen, for a six. Next ball, outside off, didn’t turn. Lara watched it into Gilly’s gloves. Last ball, again a flipper. Lara decides to get creative – he moves inside the line and square drives it for four. The crowd now awakens from their lunch-and-liquid diet-inspired stupor and get caught up in the Lara show.
  
  Once Lara got in his stride, Sachin began rotating the strike brilliantly, occasionally producing a stroke of such delicate touch that Boycott invented the phrase “Oozing to the boundary”. Like the oh-so-very-late cut that he played off Warnie’s leg-spinner or the tuck off his hips, feet in the air – reminiscent of a Gavaskar in cruise mode against the Windies pace battery – for a single behind square off McGrath.
  
  Steve Waugh decided to bring himself on for an over in which he was hit for two boundaries and a three by Lara, who now raced into the nineties. It had been a typically fluent Lara knock, all touch and timing to begin with and then unleashing the beast. It was then that it happened.
  
  EPISODE SEVEN
  
  
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  Lara was blazing away, seemingly inexorably, to a century. He was 93 not out, and bowling to him was Jason Gillespie in the second over of a fresh spell. The first ball, slightly fuller in length in an attempt to find some reverse swing, was creamed to the cover boundary, all grace and accentuated follow through, with Lara on one knee and bat held up above the shoulder for the cameras. Jason followed it up with two glorious deliveries, both of which Lara negotiated with aplomb. Lara’s in the zone, feeling it.
  Next ball, Dizzy throws it outside off-stump—a back-of-the-hand slower one. Lara late cuts and the square third man ran around to collect. Sachin, ever the earnest partner, is rapidly moving past Lara, who is ball-watching, on his second run and calling Lara through for the third run that would compile a well-crafted century. But Lara doesn’t hear Sachin amidst the crowd noise and is settling for the striker’s end, when he looks up and notices Sachin half-way down the track. He sends him back, grimaces and then starts up the track himself. The throw from Martyn thuds into Gilly’s gloves who promptly breaks the stumps and begins to celebrate. Lara turns around, takes off his helmet and starts walking back to the pavilion. The crowd is stunned into some silence and a slow clap starts.
  
  Steve Waugh runs up to the square leg umpire and gesticulates towards the middle of the pitch. The square leg umpire, Hariharan, calls out and halts Lara. He consults with Simon Taufel and eventually beckons to Sachin. Sachin dejectedly looks at the umpires and walks off. Sachin run out (Martyn/Gilchrist) 74. ROW 197-3. “Yeah, get the li’l fella off, Tugga…,” the comments from the outfield slowly filtered up to Lara’s ears. Lara realized Steve Waugh was playing another mind-game. He would now throw the ball to Glen, and try and bait me… Trying to play on the Lara-Sachin rivalry. Well, I’ll be…
  
  EPISODE EIGHT
  
  
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  The next few overs were a fiery confrontation between the bowlers and Lara. Lara, on 99, was not concerned about the single. Instead, he seemed more intent on proving a point to the Aussies. The circumstances revolving around Sachin’s departure had made him very, very upset; he put it out of his mind with a great effort just before every ball. Gillespie sensed it as soon as Rahul Dravid walked out to join Brian and the Trinidadian hardly spoke to The Wall before he took guard and got off the mark with a push past cover off the first ball. Gillespie now changed his field for Lara. He conceded the single, while keeping the boundaries covered. He banged in one short and Lara jumped around his crease, seemingly indecisive in his approach. McGrath was brought on at the other end and he, too, began peppering the upset Lara with sharp lifting ones aimed at his ribcage/chin area.
  A couple of overs passed, with Lara bent on staying there, seemingly to avenge his brave partner’s unfortunately premature demise. Then, Gillespie banged one more in short. Lara decided this one was in the slot, even thought there was Lehmann at deep square leg and Warne at deep mid wicket. He pulled viciously over deep square for a six and reached a well-deserved century. He pulled off his helmet and gestured towards the dressing room where Sachin was standing to applaud, still with his pads on since he hadn’t gone into his dressing room after getting out, wanting to see Brian get to his hundred. Lara bowed to the dressing room after acknowledging the crowd. Gilly said from behind the stumps, “Well played, mate. Good one.”
  
  The next half hour or so before tea and the session after that was pure mayhem. Lara unleashed a dazzling array of cover drives, on drives, cuts, pulls and hooks of such savage power that rarely did the Australian fielders have a chance to affect their inevitable destinations to the boundary line. By the end of the day, Lara had posted a double hundred in grand style, with consecutive fours off Warne. Rahul Dravid had perished to a beauty from Warne just after tea for 27, with the ROW at a healthy 295-4, but Lara received the dogged support of his fellow-West Indian, Shivnaraine Chanderpaul. Shiv was hanging around for a quietly compiled 32, while Lara was undefeated on 208. The Rest of the World, having had a nightmare start to the day, had finished the first day on a healthy 347-4. The two doyens on the art of batting had not only provided a day to savor, but one of them had inspired the other to the kind of heights he always seemed capable of, but never brought off completely convincingly.
  
  EPILOGUE
  
  ”…And that’s the story of how Sachin Tendulkar inspired the Prince of Trinidad to hit a brilliant 291 in that one-off Brisbane match. Do you remember?” asked the Black Prince of the peripatetic journalist from Mumbai. He poured himself another shot from the bottle of El Dorado rum, as a faint breeze made the palm trees in the background sway and bring up the sea-salt smell up to the bar. “Wow!! That’s a cool one, man. Didn’t realize that’s what made Lara go berserk after tea. Still, the ROW team came close to losing that one, right?” Raul asked.
  
  “What’s the matter with your facting memory? The umpires messed it up, my bwoy. ROW shoulda won by a mile… after that kinda knock from Lara and the great bowling from Shane Bond.”
  
  “Er…, aren’t you forgetting Gilly’s hundred here, Princey?” Raul asked as he poured himself some rum. The Black Prince, leaning back against the wall with his head turned up towards the ceiling, was smiling beatifically with his eyes closed. If at all he had heard Raul's comment, he gave no sign. Presently he opened his eyes, started to pour himself another one, stopped with his hands dramatically paused in mid-air. He slowly turned around towards Raul. “Have you heard that one about Shivanaraine’s 200-ball triple century against South Africa?” Raul looks at his watch and at the amount of rum left in his glass. Outside a Berbician steel band is playing a familiar tune. It’s hot and sticky out there. And Princey would hook him up good by evening, he’d promised. So he took a swallow of El Dorado, sank further back into his seat and said, “No, Princey, my man. But I’d sure as hell like to hear it.”
  
  
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