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• From: ramraghav on Thu May 26 0:15:20 2005.

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  Hello
  
  I think the ignorance about our literature is primarily due to external forces. Culture and language usually fourish in the presence of military and economic independence and social development. Actually they are all inter-connected and it is difficult to say which leads to what.
  
  Since we have been under varying degrees of foriegn rule for around 800 years now, it is just natural that this is happening. Of course, now that India is moving towards increased capitalism and federalism, regional priorities and preferences will play an important part in national politics. And that in turn will show some good results on the culture/language front.
  
  Hopefully.
  
  

• From: solomon on Tue Sep 13 0:27:18 2005.

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  Friends,
  
  The list given looks attaractive, but Pandiyars have taken over MADURAI ONly in around 300BCE, and Alines from outside is what Sangam LITerature says.
  
  The Fables of Kumari KANdam etc., are not supported by Sangam LIETerature.
  
  Please quote all Sangam songs wherever is required.
  
  Otherwise all your post looks highly Speculative, as Tholkappiyam clearly refers to Vethams and other Vedhic references.
  
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• From: Nedunchezhiyan on Fri Oct 21 19:37:04 2005.

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  //The list given looks attaractive, but Pandiyars have taken over MADURAI ONly in around 300BCE, and A lines from outside is what Sangam LITerature says.
  
  The Fables of Kumari KANdam etc., are not supported by Sangam LIETerature. //
  
  If Pandyars took over Madurai around 300 BCE, where do you think they lived before that? The Capital cities of Pandiyan Kingdoms and other Thamizh Kingdoms changed due to the destruction of their capital cities. Furthermore, it is believed that Pandiyars had most of the 'KumarikkaNhdam' under their rule and when the KumarikkaNhdam, submerged, they took over and moved to the upperland which was under the rule of differection Thamizh sect.
  
  Anyhow go read Silapathigaram to find out the reference to the 'Kumarikkandam.' I believe Ilango refer it something like, 'PakruLi aarum panmaet kodum ...something'
  
  I don't remember the full sentence, but it refer to the KumarikkaNhda mountain range and to the pakruLi river which ran south of nowday 'Eezham' aka Sri Lanka in Singhalam.
  
  
  
  //Please quote all Sangam songs wherever is required.
  
  Otherwise all your post looks highly Speculative, as Tholkappiyam clearly refers to Vethams and other Vedhic references. //
  
  Solomon you know your a real moron! You ask others to give specific reference where as you quote
  [[[...Pandiyars have taken over MADURAI ONly in around 300BCE, and A lines from outside is what Sangam LITerature says. ]]]
  
  I hope my reference to the Kumarikkanhdam in Silappathikaram is more than enough FOR YOU. I'm tired of seeing you, an anti-Thamizh virus who praise Sanskirit, while some Thamizhars like AP MASILAMANI and FSG have proved again and again that Sanskirit has Thamizh roots and Sanskirit isn't something that you praise it as.
  
  //The Fables of Kumari KANdam etc., are not supported by Sangam LIETerature. //
  
  Solomon you talk as if you have acquired the whole knowledge of the Thamizh Sangam Literature and that finally you have come to a conclusion that Kumari KaNhdam is a fable story.
  
  You moron, even without a country the Thamizhs have enough evidence to support Kumarik KaNhdam, having a country would help to do an archealogical excavation regarding KumarikkaNhdam. You can't expect anything from the Government of India nor from any other Governments who suck the juice out of Thamizh people.
  
  You haven't looked into Silapathigaram or any other Sanga works which refer to the existence of the Thamizh Continent 'KumarikaNhdam.' Haven't you realized anything out of the recent 'aAzhipperalai' (Tsunami)? You won't even consider the possibility of such unthinkable disasters, which would have led to the very extinction of the KumarikkaNhdam. I bet you don't even know how many 'avvaiyars' existed throughout the Thamizh History. Go read things before you come to a conclusion like 'KumarikkaNhdam didn't exist, because you said so.' Who care if you jus had a nightmare or not?! Go read books solomon, don't read the Sanskiritized version of the texts either.
  
  nanRi
  paNhivu
  
  

• From: Nedunchezhiyan on Fri Oct 21 19:42:51 2005.

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  typos
  'Pandiyan Kingdoms' as Pandiyan Kingdom
  
  //I don't remember the full sentence, but it refer to the KumarikkaNhda mountain range and to the pakruLi river which ran south of nowday 'Eezham' aka Sri Lanka in Singhalam. //
  I meant to say that Ilango referred in his text 'Silappathigaram' that the pakruLi river and the mountain rangers around it submerged under the sea, I believe the mountain range could have been the 'Meru Mountain' range or the left over portion of the 'Meru Mountain Range'
  
  

• From: solomon on Mon Oct 24 1:03:22 2005.

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  Friends,
  
  I have quoted from the book authored by V.P.PURUSHOTHAM- Sanga Kala Mannargal Nilai Varalaru, which has also a foreword by Director of International Tamil Studies and ThaniTamil movement Scholor Mr.SalaIlanthiraiyan.
  
  Silapathikaram Line tells Kumari Kodu, does not means Kandam, and moreover Satelite Pictures do not support any Below SEA land mass Between Indian Ocean to Pacific.
  
  Pavanar Schools Mr.Kodumudi Shanmugam in his Recent book completely Disowns Kumari Kandam Fables siting the above and the CENTENARY Meeting in Honour of Pavanr in Chennai University.
  
  MosesSolomon
  
  

• From: Idiappam on Mon Oct 24 13:02:53 2005.

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  solomon wrote:

  Friends, Silapathikaram Line tells Kumari Kodu, does not means Kandam,

  
  "kumarikOdum kodunkadal koLLa..." Why would 'kodu' not mean 'kandam'?? But 'kodu' or 'kandam', Elango said it was submerged, didn't he?
  
  

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  and moreover Satelite Pictures do not support any Below SEA land mass Between Indian Ocean to Pacific.

  
  It must have been a hazy day. Wait for clear day -- give 'em poor things another chance!!
  
  

• From: mahadevan on Mon Oct 24 19:53:08 2005.

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  Hi Solomon, you are quoting others works as a basis for rejecting Kumari kandam. Hey different people have different opinion some are great and some are even foolish(belive me there people who belive that earth is flat and sanskrit existed Before the birth of christ). Please provide your analysis of the original work or its translation (apparently your knowledge of tamil langauge is higly limited).
  As correctly said by Idiyappam, does is matter if it is called kodu/kandam/continent ? as long as it conveys that a huge land mass was submerfged by the sea. I sympathize with you, being a sanskrit fan you can only give importance to the structure and not the content, words become important than what they convey, dogmatism is the your way of life.
  
  solomon wrote: Otherwise all your post looks highly Speculative, as Tholkappiyam clearly refers to Vethams and other Vedhic references
  
  what is your point ?
  
  solomon wrote: but Pandiyars have taken over MADURAI ONly in around 300BCE, and Alines from outside is what Sangam LITerature says.
  Mahabharatha specifically refers to pandyas as participating in the war, are you trying to say that mahabharatha war happened much later than 300BCE, Solomon Contradiction and confusion are your middle name.
  
  

• From: senthilkumaras on Fri Dec 16 9:37:31 2005.

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  solomon wrote:

  Friends, I have quoted from the book authored by V.P.PURUSHOTHAM- Sanga Kala Mannargal Nilai Varalaru, which has also a foreword by Director of International Tamil Studies and ThaniTamil movement Scholor Mr.SalaIlanthiraiyan. Silapathikaram Line tells Kumari Kodu, does not means Kandam, and moreover Satelite Pictures do not support any Below SEA land mass Between Indian Ocean to Pacific. Pavanar Schools Mr.Kodumudi Shanmugam in his Recent book completely Disowns Kumari Kandam Fables siting the above and the CENTENARY Meeting in Honour of Pavanr in Chennai University. MosesSolomon

  
  
  sorry sirs,
  
  
  a foreword by the director of tanithamizh movement---------------any politician never ever did any grasp on LANGUAGE , CLASSICAL that is , and CIVILIZATION(everybody will agree sure on civilization and politician Iam sure)
  
  AND heard of the ATLANTIS- go to http://www.atlan.org/book/ please see it for yourselvesLOST CONTINENT ? FOR A LONG time until ARCHAEOLOGY and OCEANOLOGY took the subject everybody thought it was A MYTH, BUT NO , THERE WAS ATLANTIS scientists say now!!!!!
  as the wise old king said(solomon) there is no satellite pictures or physical underwater Reef or Ridges yet of the submerged Atlantis!!
  YET OCEAN ARCHAEOLOGY reveals possibilities of a submerged land mass in the Atlantic ocean.
  THAT IS BECAUSE THE EARTH'S CRUST MOVES A LOT IN 1000'S OF YEARS; AND SIMILARLY NATIONAL INSTITUTE OF ARCHAEOLOGY also AGREES to the history of KUMARI CONTINENT -ALONG with existence of the city of DWARAKA that LORD KRISHNA BUILT FOR HIS PEOPLE and that a bigger city of MAHABALIPURAM AND POOMPUGAAR AS PROVED BY THE EXPEDITIONS OF SIR GRAHAM HANCOCK AND THE ROYAL BRITISH DEPARTMENT OF ARCHAEOLOGY(visit Graham Hancock Ocean archaeology websites)
  By the by have you read the North Indian Historians giving proof on the TIMELINE OF LORD KRISHNA IN THE YEAR 4,100 B.C.E. AND THEIR EARLIEST SANSKRIT WORK BASED ON THE POSITION OF STARS AND CONSTELLATIONS IN THAT PERIOD TO ABOUT 8,000 B.C.E.
  BASED ON THE SAME CALCULATIONS THEY HAVE ALSO DERIVED THE TIMELINE OF TAMIL WORKS TO 65OO B.C.E.
  (read it in my previous links on these calculations).
  According to those SENIOR North Indian Historians these are scientific facts that holds good.
  
  WHEN SCIENCE SAYS IT YOU SHOULD BE BRAVE ENOUGH TO ACCEPT THAT THE EARLIEST TAMIZH AND SANSKRIT WORKS DATE AROUND 6500 TO 8,000 B.C.E.
  
  

• From: Eelavar on Fri Feb 17 16:41:34 2006.

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  senthilkumaras, great post buddy, what an excellent work !
  
  Well done !
  
  F.S.Gandhi vandayar, Nedunchezhiyan, Idiappam, mahadevan
  
  i too appreciate your view and opinion.
  
  Defenders of Tamil can be proud.
  Unfortunately our culture is not well known by about 98 % of people in this Earth...
  
  It's unfortunate with a huge heritage like ours...
  
  What i can say is that Human is Ignorant by nature.
  
  I don't say i know everything, if you understood that it's a mistake, what i say is that we are all ignorants... Nobody can pretend to detain the Truth, it's foolish.
  
  

• From: Eelavar on Fri Feb 17 17:01:52 2006.

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  Another remark,
  
  Majority of indians are still brainwashed by the european concept of Aryan/Dravidian races... There is not such division !
  
  If someone say that Sanskrit have a Tamil-Brahmi root, it so does mean that division between the indian languages by Indo-European and Dravidian does not exist and that it exists only one super-family of indian language !!
  
  Everybody should understand that !
  But it's sure that with time and evolution , one language changes...
  
  Modern Tamil vocabulary is composed by many english words...
  
  

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