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Radha's Krishna

Topic started by Shakthiprabha on Fri Aug 14 1:08:02 2009. [Full View]

I am wondering on what happens to Radha when Krishna leaves her / leaves vrindhavan to mathura.

Thousands of spiritual, religious, mythological questions and ponderings and answers.

Radha represents human soul yearning for divine understanding.

Radha - Krishna represents eternity love of atman and parmatman.

There are human versions where they say radha was already married, and her love for krishna was out of her bounds of marriage. Radha was also elder to krisna. Radha pined for krishna when he left vrindhavan and her dreams of her love towards krishna is un-fulfilled hence the reason why we conduct "radha-kalyanam" to quench the thirst of radha's longing towards krishna.

(Its strange have u ever considered we never name anyone as rukmini krishna or sathyabama krishna but name them radha-krishna? Strange that many women aren't named rukmini and sathyabama (like how ram's seetha gets named) but most name their children radhika or radha? )

Some other beautiful imaginary(?) stories have it that Radha and Krishna has gandharva marriage and radha becomes krishna's flute when he leaves vrindhavan. Hence radha never leaves krishna.

Some other stories have it that, radha extends herself as sathyabama and marries Krishna in the form of sathyabama.

Thousands of stories, thousands of explanations by people, saints and swamins. Yet the relationship of radha and krishna and what happens to radha is never been conclusive. What ever happens to radha is still a question which probably would never be and can never be answered or understood by a mortal mind? I am interested in hearing any of ur knowledge on this topic please.

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From: padmanabha on Mon Aug 17 12:12:55 2009. [Full View]

Contemporary Malayalam poetess SUGATHA KUMARI has authored a poem-titled "RADHA EVIDAE"

Last month Mohiniyattam dancer Gopika Varma choreographed this and staged its first show here at Thiruvananthapuram and on 27th it was staged at chennai....

From: Shakthiprabha on Mon Aug 17 12:18:00 2009.

pradheep wrote:

Dear SK,
To my knowledge (Bhagavatham) and Radhikopanishad and Narayaneeyam are the only the authentic source about Radha. Rest over time general public twined spicy stories to Radha's life which may not be true. According to the authentic soruces Radha was the daughter of Gopanna Maharaj and a cosuin of Krishna. She of the same age of krishna and never married anyone else except the Gandharva marriage to Krishna.

http://veda.sakthifoundation.org/radhakrishna.htm

We can continue our discussion here.

Smile

Radha was just soaked in un-conditional love, that she did not even ask Krishna to marry her and take to his place.

Thankyou pradeep. I however have a question. Did his physical seperation from her (from vrindhavan) sadden radha? or was she beyond all that and ever dipped in his love beyond physical presense? Was she ever blissful despite the bodily distance?

Is it true that she went with him and ever remained with him in the form of flute?

From: anbu_kathir on Tue Aug 18 4:56:32 2009.

pradheep wrote:

Dear SK,
To my knowledge (Bhagavatham) and Radhikopanishad and Narayaneeyam are the only the authentic source about Radha. Rest over time general public twined spicy stories to Radha's life which may not be true. According to the authentic soruces Radha was the daughter of Gopanna Maharaj and a cosuin of Krishna. She of the same age of krishna and never married anyone else except the Gandharva marriage to Krishna.

http://veda.sakthifoundation.org/radhakrishna.htm

We can continue our discussion here.

Dear Pradheep,

What do you mean 'authentic' here? The most ancient or the generally accepted norm? Where is the question of truth? There seems to be only that of belief.

Shakthiprabha wrote:

Did his physical seperation from her (from vrindhavan) sadden radha? or was she beyond all that and ever dipped in his love beyond physical presense? Was she ever blissful despite the bodily distance?

Is it true that she went with him and ever remained with him in the form of flute?

Pain of separation and the joy of unity are two things that are enjoyed simultaneously by a Lover

Very Happy

. I am supposing this holds with respect to Radha too.

Love and Light

From: Shakthiprabha on Tue Aug 18 10:09:14 2009.

anbu_kathir wrote:

Pain of separation and the joy of unity are two things that are enjoyed simultaneously by a Lover Very Happy

Very Happy

. I am supposing this holds with respect to Radha too.

Love and Light

I suppose too ! I suppose it would have been the same with aaNdaaL and meera too. Except radha was more fortunate

Sigh2

to have had his highness as her playmate and lover.

From: pradheep on Tue Aug 18 12:50:18 2009. [Full View]

Dear Anbu,
Sorry , I have used the word authentic to stress the word "Documented". When one experience a fact "within", a belief can be confirmed whether it is Truth of fictious.

Dear SP,
Of course physical separation saddened Radha, untill she Self-Realizes the Truth about Physical reality and Consciousness. That knowledge she experiences , giving "Bliss". Then becoming a "flute" is a symbolic of the Pranavam (Consciousness).

A lover does not enjoy separation, it is only a pain, untill like Radha, who transcend beyond the physical.

Again from this Truth of Physical, the bliss is same for Aandal and Meera. What Radha enjoyed with a physical human body which is made of electrons and protons , Andal and Meera also enjoyed with a stone idol which is also made of electrons and protons. The bliss lies in beyond this material electrons and protons, which all the 3 shared the same.

From: Shakthiprabha on Tue Aug 18 13:02:12 2009.

Dear SP,
Of course physical separation saddened Radha, untill she Self-Realizes the Truth about Physical reality and Consciousness. That knowledge she experiences , giving "Bliss". The become flute is a symbolic of the Pranavam (Consciousness).

A lover does not enjoy separation, it is only a pain, untill like Radha, who transcend beyond the physical.

Smile

Again from this Truth of Physical, the bliss is same for Aandal and Meera. What Radha enjoyed with a physical human body which is made of electrons and protons , Andal and Meera also enjoyed with a stone idol which is also made of electrons and protons. The bliss lies in beyond this material electrons and protons, which all the 3 shared the same

Smile

I understand. Thank you for posting pradeep.

From: anbu_kathir on Tue Aug 18 23:45:24 2009.

pradheep wrote:

Dear Anbu,
Sorry , I have used the word authentic to stress the word "Documented". When one experience a fact "within", a belief can be confirmed whether it is Truth of fictious.

Smile

. Therefore all that remains is subjective truth.

pradheep wrote:

Dear SP,
Of course physical separation saddened Radha, untill she Self-Realizes the Truth about Physical reality and Consciousness. That knowledge she experiences , giving "Bliss". Then becoming a "flute" is a symbolic of the Pranavam (Consciousness).

Also, the flute is hollow and filled with His Life-giving breath. Not unlike the state of a liberated person.

A lover does not enjoy separation, it is only a pain, untill like Radha, who transcend beyond the physical.

Somehow I always hold the idea that Enlightenment => wholesome and complete experience on all three levels of consciousness (body,mind and soul). Transcendence, to me, is not the topmost rung of the ladder of spiritual consciousness; it is the whole process and the person who does the climbing. Therefore I still feel that the pain of separation and the bliss of unity are felt simultaneously by the Lover (because the person lives on every level of experience).

pradheep wrote:

Again from this Truth of Physical, the bliss is same for Aandal and Meera. What Radha enjoyed with a physical human body which is made of electrons and protons , Andal and Meera also enjoyed with a stone idol which is also made of electrons and protons. The bliss lies in beyond this material electrons and protons, which all the 3 shared the same.

Not Worthy

Love and Light.

From: Shakthiprabha on Wed Aug 19 2:20:58 2009.

anbu_kathir wrote:

pradheep wrote:

A lover does not enjoy separation, it is only a pain, untill like Radha, who transcend beyond the physical.

Therefore I still feel that the pain of separation and the bliss of unity are felt simultaneously by the Lover (because the person lives on every level of experience).

Prasad,

I think even if there is pain, the pain is experienced with a different perspective and understandinG from the stand point of the one seperated. (EVEN in the level of physical) I think thats what pradeep means.

From: pradheep on Wed Aug 19 9:23:45 2009. [Full View]

Quote:

it is the whole process

Dear AK
Very beautifully condensed message.
From: Badri on Sat Oct 10 17:42:56 2009. [Full View]

Srimad Bhagawatham does not mention Radha by name at all. It does speak of a Gopi who speaks the Bramara Gita when Uddhava comes visiting and has been held to be Radha.

Radha, on the other hand, has an immortal place in the legends of Krishna, and as SP has so beautifully pointed out, there is Seetha Rama, and Lakshmi Narasimha but not Rukmini Krishna, only Radha Krishna, the Radha that He never married.

Radha is said to be Dhara, the Earth, and hence there is a tale that links her to Satyabhama who is also a manifestation of the Dharthi.

Some texts also hold Srimati Radharani above even Rukmini and Satyabhama etc and hold that it these 16108 'wives'of Krishna were all manifestations of Srimati Radharani

Some people hold Radha to be a paternal aunt of Krishna, even and that she certainly was elder to Krishna by several years. That when the lad Krishna was 8 (during the time of the Rasa), she was nearly 30 or 35.

The stories also have it that Radha was so imbued in Krishna tatwa that she herself became one with Krishna. That her fair complexion was lost and she became dark like Him.

But one thing is held to be the Truth amongst all these versions. That Radha represents Prakriti and Krishna, the Purusha. Radha, the Jeevatma and Krishna, the Paramatma.

The Puranas have several stories - amongst these, some stories are just stories, others are not so much stories but symbols. In those kind of stories, it is better to not give more importance to the story as much as to the truth behind the story. Indeed, some of these stories probably even need to censored! But such stories too have found place in the Puranas only to cater to everyone, the masses.

Just as even a serious film suddenly breaks into a hip swiveling, pelvic thrusting dance sequence, the Puranas suddenly go off into a spicy titillating story.

But behind these stories too there is a deeper truth. The authors of these texts were clear in the vision - we present the story here, with the truth behind it. Those who can get beyond the story to the truth alone deserve the truth, the others can be entertained by the mere story.

To know the hidden truth, there is no recourse but the Guru, as Krishna Himself says.

"Tat viddhi prani patena pari prashnena sevaya
Upadekshayanti te jnanam jnaninaastatwadarshinaha"

Learn this truth by humble prostrations, questioning and service to the jnanis, the tatwadarshis who will impart it to you.

Thus, separating the chaff from the grain with the help of the Guru, the understanding dawns upon one that Krishna Leela is happening in the hrudaya of everyone all the time. The Jiva is Radha, the Antaryami is Krishna. When the Jiva longs for Him, He shows Himself.

Then, suddenly, He hides Himself after showing a glimpse. The Jiva then yearns for Him, pines for Him and secures a oneness with him in the end.

With Salokya first, then Sameepya, then Sarupya and finally, Sayujya, Radha represents the journey of the soul to its source.

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