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Origin of Lord Murugan

Topic started by SoftSword on Thu Jan 8 7:58:37 2009. [Full View]

Friends,
Quite often I involve in this argument with my friend from Andhra. I use to claim that Murugan is Thamizh Kadavul and he hailed from Thamizhnaadu, I mean the origin. But he use to confront me saying maybe the name murugan is been used by Thamizhs here, but he was referred in north indian literatures earlier to he was referred in thamizh literatures. He use to claim that he was been referred in sanskrit lit long before by the names Skandha/Subramanyaswami.

Wiki doesn give enough info though:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murugan

http://www.sanatan.org/en/festivals/hindu/ksv2.htm

So, I have none other than the people here to enlighten me about this.

Please throw some light on this.

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From: sivank on Sun Feb 1 11:29:44 2009. [Full View]

very interesting to read. Thanks for the Link velan

From: podalangai on Sun Feb 1 16:13:32 2009.

indians in malaysia are a recent phenomenon - hardly 2 centuries ago. majority of them were brought from TN to work in the rubber estates. as is norm for tamils, kOvil illaadha ooril kudi irukka vEndaam, they brought along all thier gods and today temples abound all over malaysia.

What about the Chitty Melakas (Indian Peranakans)? They retained Hinduism through the centuries, I think, and even built some temples... did they have a tradition of Murugan worship?

From: NOV on Sun Feb 1 21:16:19 2009. [Full View]

Chittys are immigrants of the 15th century. They married Malay women and assimiliated with the local population, taking on thier culture, language, food, clothing, etc. But as you have mentioned, remained Hindus.

Today, the Chittys number only around 2000 and have married into later Tamil families and have become almost completely assimiliated with the Tamils.

As far as I know, there is only one Chitty Temple and its called Poyyatha Vinaayagar temple.

some info: http://www.geocities.com/mlkachittii1u2/dpage6

earlier discussion: http://tfmpage.mayyam.com/hub/viewlite.php?t=2118
From: podalangai on Mon Feb 2 6:25:26 2009. [Full View]

Thanks NOV. That's a very useful website.

I also found this photo of a Chitty temple in Gajah Berang:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/44/Chitty_Temple.png

Is this an Amman temple? It's architecture looks more South Indian than the Poyyatha Vinayagar temple.

From: sar on Sat Oct 31 9:24:00 2009.

Although Murugan is God for Tamil Land with all six abodes in it, reliable sources suggest that the God's birth place is near Kailash mountains in North India... see this article below about Saravana Poigai sourced from Palani.org...

Saravanap Poigai is the name of a pool in the Himālayas, from whose waters the divine child, Muruga, is believed to have emerged. Hence the name Saravana Bhava. Saravanap Poigai pools in Muruga shrines are sources of redemption. Accumulated sins are thought to be destroyed by a dip here. As fire consumes fuel, so too this sacred pool consumes the sins of the wicked.

The Saravana Poikai at Tiru Avinankudi has drawn uncounted millions to its banks. It has a hoary tradition and a bath or at least a symbolic use of its waters over your head is a prerequisite for entering the sanctum sanctorum. Bath taps are provided at separate enclosures for men and women.

Also I used think that 'Saravana' was a Tamil originated word as the name prevails only in Tamil Nadu... but slight a bit disappointed to learn that it could actually be different from what I had thought earlier (about first part of my own name)...

Saravana: (Sanskrit) "Thicket of reeds." (Source: Hinduism Dictionary)

Mythologically, a sacred Himalayan pond where Lord Karttikeya was nurtured; esoterically understood as the lake of divine essence, or primal consciousness.

From: NOV on Sat Oct 31 11:09:30 2009. [Full View]

enna kodumai sar idhu?
you thought saravana is tamil?

except for vadivelan and murugan, I dont think any of his other names are purely tamil.
From: SoftSword on Mon Nov 2 2:24:36 2009. [Full View]

NOV wrote:

enna kodumai sar idhu?
you thought saravana is tamil?

except for vadivelan and murugan, I dont think any of his other names are purely tamil.

thanks guys for reviving this thread!!
and now can we call murugan as thamizh kadavul or not?

From: SoftSword on Mon Nov 2 2:29:22 2009.

no old stories sivan Laughing

Laughing

He is directly imported from India and some ppl like to call batu caves or baththu malai as Ezhaam padai.

indians in malaysia are a recent phenomenon - hardly 2 centuries ago. majority of them were brought from TN to work in the rubber estates. as is norm for tamils, kOvil illaadha ooril kudi irukka vEndaam, they brought along all thier gods and today temples abound all over malaysia.

we even have a south east asian tirupathi in klang. Laughing

Laughing

today many chinese worship at hindu temples and in fact during thaipoosam in penang, almost half the kavadi carriers will be non hindus, mainly chinese.
and australian convert who calls himself Carl Vadivelu makes an annual pilgrimage for this festival/

you know why they say this right...
cos, temples were meant to build with high ceilings, strong roof, and with heavy stones thru which can sustain most of the natural disasters... so if u live in a place where u have a temple, you can hide in there during the disaster time, infact the whole village can be accomodated in there as temples usually were too big...

even recently we use to hear that during flood times, govt protects the people by keeping them in temples and schools;

From: Sudhaama on Mon Nov 9 19:30:00 2009. [Full View]

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Birth-place of MURUHA / SUBRAHMANYA is... Ganga-River... in North-India

I have already written in detail.... under my Tamil Serial Article, titled...

....THAMIZH-MARHAI THIRUVAAYMOZHI... in Our Hub-Magazine

... about Viswamithra's narration to Rama-Lakshmana... showing the Baby Subrahmanya's place of birth....

....at the holy GANGA RIVER BANK.

....according to Valmiki Ramayana..

Because Parvathi choses so... since He is KADHIRESA... in Tamil... .and AGNIBHOOH in Sanskrit... meaning that He is born from Fire-Spark.

Such an enormous heat of a holy spark from God Siva... cannot be borne by Earth. So Ganga-devi took the responsibility to cool it down in parts... then hand over as SIX Babies to Krithika Maids...

..finally unified as One baby... ARUMUHA... according to authentic 18 Puranhas.
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All these Divine processes took place, at Ganga River and its Bank.
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From: sar on Tue Nov 17 15:00:37 2009. [Full View]

NOV wrote:

enna kodumai sar idhu?
you thought saravana is tamil?

except for vadivelan and murugan, I dont think any of his other names are purely tamil.

what about Senthil, Kumaran, Muthuk Kumaran, kathirgaaman, kaDamban etc

http://www.indianhindunames.com/names-of-god-murugan-karthik.htm

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