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Topic started by Sudhaama on Mon Dec 27 13:08:07 2004. [Full View]

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. SURVIVAL & Advancement of TAMIL Language.!

In course of Time... any Language gets INFLUENCED by other Languages..

..as well as gets into several problems for Survival... as well as..

..challenges towards Advancement.

Even the Great Classic Languages like Sanskrit, Latin, Hebrew Greek etc. too are not the exeptions.

Rather all Languages have faced such challenges and onslaughts of problems

And even such Great Languages like Sanskrit and Latin have fallen under the category of DEAD LANGUAGE...

mainly because of their lack of adaptability... coping with the demands of the changing time... by way of...

History, Age and Culture, Human Development and World Advancement.

One of such problem for Tamil... was the influence of English, Persian, Portugese and the like Traders Languages...

...which had to be accomodated due to the trend of circumstances. in India.

Previously Tamil had the problem of over-domnation by Sanskrit.

Whereas the present problem and Challenge to Tamil is the influence of English...

..plus the rapidly changing Life-style of Tamil users...

..alongside Globalisation.... and fast Advancement of Knowledge mainly by Science.

Under such fast changing time and trend..

..What is the Status of Tamil Language.?

Will it become extinct in the near future?"...Or Can surive.?

How to prevent deterioration and ensure Advancement of Tamil Language...

...learning from the past experiences of Sanskrit, Latin and Hebrew.?

. Can the Tamil Language survive at the rate of present trend.?

...If Not Advancement.!
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Poll
Foreign-Language NAME for New Invention: TRANSLITERATION / TRANSLATION?
TRANSLATED Tamil-Name INSTEAD of Foreign-Language-Name... for INVENTION & DISCOVERY:ALSO. [ 2 ]
TRANSLITERATED Tamil-Name UNCHANGED Foreign-Language-Name... for INVENTION & DISCOVERY: ONLY [ 2 ]
Restricted TRANSLITERATED Tamil-Name for Foreign-Language-Name... for INVENTION & DISCOVERY only [ 0 ]
Both TRANSLATED & TRANSLITERATED Tamil-NameS for Foreign-Language-Name... for INVENTION & DISCOVERY:Be.TAUGHT [ 2 ]

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From: aravindhan on Wed May 4 15:21:12 2005.

Ilavenil wrote:

I think when someone invents something, he has to name it and it definitely cannot be a some word that already exists. If we have to learn the new word anyway, why not it be in tamil itself??? Wink

Wink

I agree entirely, and will add three further reasons. The first is scientific, the second is aesthetic, and the third is social.

The scientific reason is that experts in pedagogy have long argued that lexical transparency helps children learn a language. It is no accident that in Europe, children who speak English (which has a high degree of borrowings) have the most problems with literacy and language skills, and those who speak languages like Finnish and Icelandic (which have very few loanwords) tend to be the most articulate. So, even if it causes problems for one generation, in the long term constructing Tamil words rather than importing foreign words is much better.

To give you an example from this very post - an English speaker who has not had advanced studies will not even have any idea what sort of concepts "pedagogy" or "lexical transparency" are about. On the other hand, any Tamil can understand what "kaRpittalnUl" and "mozhi teLivu" refer to, even if he knows nothing about education theory or linguistics.

The aesthetic reason is that there is a beauty - almost a poetry - to the way Tamil is spoken by even illiterate farmers. The reason Bharatiyar's poetry is so beautiful is that he rooted it in rural metaphor. The reason the purananuru has the power to move us so much even today is that the songs were based on the folk traditions of the ancient bards. This is the unique heritage of the Tamil language - far from exalting the traditions of the aristocracy, our best literature has always grounded itself in the voices of the ordinary people. The cities - especially Chennai - are losing this tradition as the speech is more and more influenced by aangilam and vadanaattu mozhi. But this tradition is part of the natural genius of our language and is part of what has made it great. It is best perpetuated by developing the language along simple lines using simple metaphors. This has been the approach of the government of Tamil Nadu all along. Words like "vaanoli", "tholaikkatchi", "olivanki" and even "midivaNDi" and "pErundu" reflect this, and we should certainly use them to preserve and nurture this unique beauty of Tamil.

The social reason is that the use of words with foreign derivations - which are not lexically transparent - is typically used to reinforce the dominance of the educated over the illiterate. The "articulate" upper classes use the fancy foreign words, whereas the "inarticulate" lower classes use native words which are considered "inferior" and a sign of inability to use "polished speech". It is no accident that English - which has traditionally nurtured one of the most class-based societies - has a very strong tradition of using foreign words, whereas the Nordic languages - which have nurtured egalitarian societies - tend to construct words from local roots. The ancient Tamil tradition was egalitarian, and we should not shape our language in a way which detracts from that.

tamizhil aangila vaarthaikaL kalappadhil enna EraNamo... enakku viLangavillai. Vayiramaalaiyil evanaavadhu paral kOppana?

From: senthilkumaras on Sun May 8 5:37:43 2005. [Full View]

People donot know that even the British govt., constantly coins and brings about new words for ever evolving social and technical adjectives, deriving from old root words of medieval English,French and Latin words;and quickly introducing those newly coined words at the midschool and high school level itself then and there;coining of new words is not only for new products in the market but more for adjectives with all shades -ligt,medium and heavy for each of them.
As also new words are coined in Tamilzh or for that purpose in any language, to promote the identity of that product or that shade of character of a product or a person or a group of people among the commoners speaking the language.
From: Sudhaama on Tue Feb 27 20:17:39 2007. [Full View]

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Brought forward... for Continuation of Discusiions.
From: sar on Tue Apr 17 16:37:30 2007. [Full View]

Friends,

Although there are different ways of approaching the problem of lack new words especially for science and technological inventions such as as computer, the solution has to be approached to make the usage long lasting and more sensible.

either complete trans-lieration ex. kanini

or taking the word as such as computer.

the problem of taking word the computer as such in to Tamil, may cause confusions in long term. Why?? Let me explain.

If you take in any language the pattern of words either noun or verb are derived from a root word, a single root word leads to many branch words.... etimologists like FSGandhi would explain how... In fact in tamil has EXCEPTIONALLY HIGH STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY IN THIS REGARD.
The tamil vowels, a,e,u lead a top high position in words branching out... this is my beleif.

Remember, when we take the word ex computer as such into tamil would damage the WORD STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY OF ROOT WORDS AND BRANCH WORDS, leading to damaging the eminence of tamil.

In english we got the word compute which is verb, now the question will arise... whether the verb compute has to be taken in to tamil...??? If the answer is going to be yes, then thats all.... whats difference??? you are losing tamil's identity, which is also more important in this time to make tamil survive, its my strong beleif to make stay Tamil in its original greatness, not corrupt Tamil's word structural integrity, in the act of saving Tamil.

if you take the word bus, the word bus is not only used for the vehicle, if you look into the etimology it would mean multi-passenging, as far as my understanding in usage. we use universal serial bus (USB) in computer technology, which might seem totally unrelated to the vehicle bus in the first look. but how does the linguistic etimology works out?? how we are going to tackle reasonable rooting of the words if we keep on taking the words as such into tamil.

similiarly the term electro, branches out so many technological words including the verb electrify meaning charge... which present tamil beautifully handles as 'MinnetRu'!! MinnetRam means electrification=charge - noun. 'min' replacing 'electro'... Now, how do you plan for handling this... thiru Sudhaamaaa???? do you want all the words electricity, electron, electro, electrify, and the whole lot of words in tamil as such.... totally wont we go making mad in one day.....?

on the otherhand as an obvious fact i have seen no one using as such (including me) to use the word minnetru for charge in practical usage.

the best thing is to encourage etimological tamil to develop in to schools, or in the worst case instead use it as a english word insertion into tamil text and slowly(possibly as fast as we can) improve the tamil words .. yes the time is critical to save the language... but still that would be the best of the time... but whom to take effort... who is there to support?? please think about it.
From: Sudhaama on Sat Dec 8 23:29:08 2007. [Full View]

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. Is Tamil UNFIT... or INFERIOR to other Languages?

In any Foreign countries...if any Two or more persons of Non-English Nations...

...are found to be conversing EXCLUSIVELY IN ENGLISH...

...mostly it used to be TAMILIANS ONLY.

Are they lacking Tamil Knowledge? Or perhaps they do not know Tamil.?...

..Or Born and brought up in English as Mother-Tongue, being domiciled.?

No. Their Mother-Tongue is Tamil and most of such Tamilians are quite fluent in Tamil too.!!

Contrarily any Chinese or Japanese or French... (conspicuously to quote amongst others)...

...converse amongst themselves in their respective Mother-Tongue ONLY...

...even if they possess better fluency in English.!

And the strange truth is... all other Indians... EXCEPT TAMILIANS...

..prefer to converse in their Mother-Tongue only...

..especially Bengalis, Malayalees and Gujarathis...

..irrespective of their Status and English knowledge at par or even better.

Whereas... it is ONLY TAMILIANS...prefer to converse in English... even amongst their Group of people...

...not only while they are in Foreign countries...

..but also within Tamilnadu itself.!!

What a PITY.!!.

Perhaps Tamil is INFERIOR or UNFIT for conversations.!! ...or...

Is it below the prestige of... (MOST OR SOME.?)... of the Tamilians to converse in Tamil.?

..Or English is preferable for General conversation too?
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From: P_R on Tue Jan 29 4:51:59 2008. [Full View]

அன்புள்ள திரு.சுதாமா, அரிய தகவலுக்கு நன்றி.
சம்ஸ்க்ர்தம்-தமிழ் இரண்டையும் இணைக்கும் தேவை ராமானுஜருக்கும் முன்னாலே இருந்திருக்கும் அல்லவா. அவருக்கு முன் வந்த ஆச்சார்யர்கள் எல்லாம் தமிழ்-சம்ஸ்க்ர்தம் மொழிகளில் தனித்தனியாக தான் பேசி எழுதினார்களா ?

மணிப்ர்வாளம் தமிழ்-சம்ஸ்க்ர்த கலப்பு மட்டுமா அல்லது பொதுவாக பிற மொழிச் சொற்களும் உண்டா ? பௌத்த நூல்கள் பல பிராக்ருத மொழியில் இருந்ததால் அம்மொழி சொற்கள் இணைந்த பொது மொழிக்கும் தேவை இருந்திருக்குமே.

இந்தியாவில் இதுபோல உத்தேசத்துடன் செய்யப்பட்ட இருமொழிக்கலப்புகள் வேறு ஏதேனும் உள்ளனவா ?

இருபதாம் நூற்றாண்டின் முற்பகுதியில் கூட பொதுவாக எழுத்துத்தமிழில் சம்ஸ்க்ர்த சொற்கள் விரவி இருப்பதைப் பார்க்கிறோம். இது மணிப்ரவாளத்தில் எச்சமா ?

அந்த கால்த்தில் மணிப்ரவாலத்தில் பேசும்பொழுது/எழுதும்பொழுது ஒரு தனி மொழியில் எழுதுகிறோம், தமிழில் அல்ல, என்ற பிரக்ஞை எப்போதும் இருந்துவந்ததா ?
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From: Sudhaama on Tue Jan 29 19:42:48 2008. [Full View]

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From: P_R on Wed Jan 30 15:21:47 2008.

நன்றி திரு.சுதாமா.

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அரிய தகவல். பாரத நாடெங்கிலும் தமிழ் பரவியதா ? வடநாட்டுக் கோவில்களிலும் தமிழ் ஒரு காலத்தில் ஓதப்பட்டதா (ஓதப்படுகிறதா ?)

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