Topic started by Indian (@ host62-7-148-72.webport.bt.net) on Fri Jan 25 12:41:58 .
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Let me begin by saying that I know many Sri Lankan Tamils, and I have many Sri Lankan Tamil friends. They are all very nice people, quite close to me. I respect the Sri Lankan Tamil people. I also know that they are really suffering, the vast majority for no fault of theirs. Their situation is really tragic, not just poverty, but many are also deprived of their dignity.

I think that India and the rest of the world should do more to protect these people's rights. We must appoint UN observers and send in armed peacekeepers or impose sanctions on the Government of Sri Lanka if it fails to stop the army from committing atrocities against any people, not just Tamilians.

But I don't think Indian Tamils should support the Sri Lankan Tamils' separatist cause, for the following reasons:
1. Sri Lankan Tamils have shown a willingness to attack innocent Sinhalese villagers.
2. They assassinated Rajiv Gandhi.
3. The LTTE recruits child soldiers.
4. The leader of the LTTE, if he is truly a brave man, why doesn't he go to the frontline himself?
5. India is fighting against militants in Kashmir. We cannot accept Kashmir being taken away from us, so how can Sri Lankans give away part of their land?
6. Tamils say "Yaadhum oorae, yaavarum kaeLir". But Sri Lankan Tamils obviously don't know what that means (neither do many Indian Tamils, who hate Kannadigas and North Indians).
7. I live in the U.K. Do you know how embarrassing I find it when people ask me if I am a "Tamil tiger"? But I cannot complain, because that is the bad name the Sri Lankan Tamils have earned us. These guys are giving us a bad name.

The slowly growing support for the separatist cause of the Sri Lankan Tamils by Indian Tamils, especially politicians and the world of Tamil cinema is a DISGRACEFUL, SAD and DANGEROUS trend to say the least. Let us support their cause for justice, but not their demands for a separate country.

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• From: Anesh (@ 210.187.156.219) on: Sat Apr 13 08:41:17
  
  Tamil babe,
  
  I am counting alot on the peace reaty very much.
  It is because the Singhalese who are going to lose if the peace talks fails.
  LTTE will still fight, but the Sri Lankan government has to protect its people and also prevent the attack on their economy and also to create a atmoshere for the foriegn investment.
  To me the singhalese led government are putting an heavy bet on the success of the peace talks compared to the Tamils in Sri Lanka and the rest of the Ceylonese in the world.
  
  Well the only way to close the case.
  I am sure that the CBI could not find any other much awaiteds excuse then the one they provided.
  Every one outside Indian already knew the verdict before the poor Indian citizens got the verdict.
  We definately knew that the LTTE was going to get it and indeed it did.
  
  
• From: Nisala (@ ac9b1e2d.ipt.aol.com) on: Sat Apr 13 12:12:05
  
  Anesh,
  
  "Besides that the whole war started because the Singhalese denied the basic rights of the Tamils in Sri lanka"
  
  A friend of mine named "No-name" once compared discrimination against SL Tamils after independence to discrimination against TN Brahmins. Both Dravida Kazhagam and 'Sinhala-only' (called Sinhala Eksath Peramuna) movements were jealous of accomplishments of others and concluded that systems of reservation were only solution to limit TN Brahmins & SL Tamils.
  
  "It was during these period that Premadasa died and maybe your local guys killed him and framed the Tigers."
  
  That's hard to accept given that very few groups besides LTTE and Islamic jihadis do suicide bombings. Nice try. I don't see why anyone would blow themselves up for RAW or BJP.
  
  "So they make do with what they can have. Children."
  
  Nice argument. The problem is that if all the children get killed, no more future Tamil Nation. Uncle Praba hasn't thought about that but then again he doesn't have to since his own children Charles Anthony and Dwaraka will never get recruited to fight.
  
  "Has your Kashmir terrorist gone to the frontline. Has Osama bin Laden been to the frontline. If Velupillai Prabagaran goes to the frontline who will take over and mastermine the birth of Tamil Ellam"
  
  Anesh, that was a terrific argument. In one shot you compared Prabhakaran to Kashmiri terrorists and Osama the #1 global terrorist. Some morons here argue that LTTE are not terrorists but you shut them up good.
  
  "They don't want to have an qwn country but a semi autonomous state."
  
  Uncle Praba recently had a press conference in Kilinochchi where he said if he compromised independent Tamil Eelam, he wants his men to shoot him.
  
  http://in.news.yahoo.com/020412/43/1lbsi.html
  
  http://www.hindustantimes.com/nonfram/130402/detFOR06.asp
  
  "It is because the Singhalese who are going to lose if the peace talks fails."
  
  Really? The statistics I've read show that more Tamils have been killed in this war than Singhalese. Whereas the war has ruined SL economy and made progress for Singhalese come to zero, it has destroyed the lives of Tamils. Jaffna now is a blasted ruin. You still say that Singhalese will lose more if the war continues?
  
  "LTTE will still fight, but the Sri Lankan government has to protect its people"
  
  Good point. I'm glad you showed that SL govt. has to protect its people but LTTE is under no responsibility to protect Tamils.
  
  "To me the singhalese led government are putting an heavy bet on the success of the peace talks compared to the Tamils in Sri Lanka and the rest of the Ceylonese in the world."
  
  You are somewhat correct. Singhalese in other parts of the world are ignorant of the state of SL economy and that is why they do not support peace talks. Current UNP govt. in Colombo is a free-market party whose #1 priority is economy. That is why they want peace talks.
  
  I do not know Tamils' reaction to peace talks. In SL, when LTTE came around to recruit children in schools, some of them asked, "Why are you recruiting? Aren't there peace talks?" When they heard that, the LTTE recruiters just laughed. So that shows the LTTE opinion of peace (it is a joke). Maybe TB can give impression about Toronto Tamils' reaction to peace talks.
  
  
• From: selvan (@ toronto-hse-ppp3676546.sympatico.ca) on: Sun Apr 14 04:49:38
  
  Hello Indian
  You are obviously a mother-f--king Brahmin. I say all you Brahmin mother-f--kers must die. Iam an Indian Tamil from Madurai. I support the Srilankan Tamil cause. As a Tamil from TamilNadu Iam ashamed that we have done nothing to support our fellow Tamils across the ocean.
  
  
• From: TAMILNADU POLICE (@ 203.199.240.138) on: Sun Apr 14 13:02:28
  
  Hello selvan
  
  What on earth is a Indian Madurai tamilan doing in California ,USA? Or are you an illegal emigrant into America?
  
  
• From: Tamil Babe (@ rn244-122.resnet.uoguelph.ca) on: Sun Apr 14 16:42:56
  
  "Maybe TB can give impression about Toronto Tamils' reaction to peace talks."
  
  A lot of people are actually happy about the ceasefire. But at the same time there were also ceasefires in the past and we know what happened then.
  
  I've also heard rumours about the LTTE trying to recruit soldiers. I even heard from someone say that their relatives back in Killinochi (or something like that) had said that the LTTE is now demanding that every house has to send someone to join the LTTE.
  
  
  The fake Tamil Nadu Police,
  
  "What on earth is a Indian Madurai tamilan doing in California ,USA? Or are you an illegal emigrant into America?"
  
  America is a melting pot.. full of people of different backgrouns and cultures. I don't think it's unusual to find a Tamil from Madurai, India in California, USA.
  
  
• From: Nisala (@ ac921937.ipt.aol.com) on: Mon Apr 15 22:48:56
  
  TB says, "America is a melting pot.. full of people of different backgrouns and cultures."
  
  I know I know, things are getting really bad. I hear that in California there is no more majority race anymore. We're turning more and more to our whiter cousins in Idaho and S. Carolina to represent our national character. But maybe when Canada gets reintegrated into US as 51st state, US can once again be the white country it once was. LOL
  
  Hey, you didn't respond to my post to you in http://forumhub.com/expr/2958.18.20.11.html. I paid a very high compliment to the city of Vancouver and I am sad to see that you did not acknowledge it (sob sniff sob).
  
  Guess what? I heard that there is a School of Japanese Sword Arts in Guelph. Knock me over with a lucky loonie. Who would've guessed? Now I have an excuse to come and visit.
  
  
• From: viva (@ 61.0.47.46) on: Thu Apr 18 13:51:07
  
  fools we should support a tamil land
  You bloody selfish, impotent tamils thing otherwise.Every nationality have thier own country
  
  
• From: Nisala (@ ac9da8e3.ipt.aol.com) on: Fri Apr 19 00:22:45
  
  viva,
  
  "Every nationality have thier own country"
  
  Really? The Assamese have their own country? The Kashmiris? The Sikhs? The Basques? The Chechnyans? The white South Africans? The southerners of the US?
  
  
• From: Raveen (@ ac9db83d.ipt.aol.com) on: Sun Apr 21 00:46:22
  
  Assamese have Assam, a State with Ahomiya as the official language and they even have the right to procliam that they should go back to their original non IA Thai roots with Thereveda Buddhism as the state religion ( I once carried a press report on this very subject in one of my web sites) without any one calling them as anti-Indian.
  
  Kashmiris have ytheor own state but want more (only the muslim Kashmiris not the Hindu or Buddhist Ladhakis)
  
  Sikhs have Punjab state and wanted more before
  
  Basques have Navare created after Franko's death and probably want out of Spain but within EU :)
  
  Chechnyans have their own Republic ( a political status higher than a mere state)
  
  White Souh African had their chance but gave it it away to ANC :((
  
  Southerners in USA have 8 states out of which flying their confederate flag is protected by their constituitions and the drawl is the official language you'll:)))
  
  All political entities including current nation states are and were based on an Ethnom or a Nation only to grow out of it later but still in France a true French is a a Catholic with Gaulic roots and in Sweden it is a Swede Lutheren although a Lebanese Maronite might find refuge in Sweden and even become a Swedish citizen he/she is still an 'out' group.
  
  I lived in India and I know how out groups within each 'ethnic' state do their best to blend it. In TN, Telugus are more Tamil than Tamils, like wise in Karnataka Telugus are more Kannadigas than Kannadigas pickig fights with Tamils in B'Lore only to have their Telugu bortheren in Chennai cry loud and clear about the mistratement of Tamils in B'lore :))).
  
  
  
• From: Nisala (@ 128.164.60.54) on: Tue Apr 23 16:13:19
  
  "Assamese have Assam"
  
  Oh come on. That is not the same thing. Sure they were given some autonomy in the Indian federal set-up, but they are now fighting for independence. I don't understand this crap about Theravada Buddhism. The Assamese are Christian and that should be their state religion when they secede. I hope and pray they will see the wisdom of LTTE tactics and use suicide-bombing, child-soldiers and so on. Maybe we can see them give non-Christians 72 hours to get the hell out. I would love to see that.
  
  You are right to point out that Kashmiris and Sikhs wanted more. So it is clear that Federalism does not cure Separatism!
  
  "Southerners in USA have 8 states out of which flying their confederate flag is protected by their constituitions and the drawl is the official language you'll"
  
  It is not "you'll" it is "y'all." In any case, the example of the South is an example of failure. THey lost the Civil War and now can only vent frustration in their flags. It would be blasphemy to see Eelam murder-supporters to be denied separate homeland and be confined within a federal setup wihtin SL. Not even LTTE flag as official flag will fix things.
  
  "All political entities including current nation states are and were based on an Ethnom or a Nation only to grow out of it later"
  
  How dare you imply that the concept of nation-state or ethnic-state is a primitive and backward notion. If it was good enough for the European continent, arguably the most violent and strife-filled landmass in the history of man, then it should be good enough for the people of the world. SL should have nation-state system and have separate states for Eelamists, Muslims, Catholics, vadai-merchants, toddy-tappers, auto-rickshaw drivers, and forest-bears. Any exclusion of these groups would be example of racist oppression.
  
  "I lived in India and I know how out groups within each 'ethnic' state do their best to blend it. In TN, Telugus are more Tamil than Tamils, like wise in Karnataka Telugus are more Kannadigas than Kannadigas pickig fights with Tamils in B'Lore only to have their Telugu bortheren in Chennai cry loud and clear about the mistratement of Tamils in B'lore :)))."
  
  With Eelam solution there will be no minority problem. All non-Tamil, non-LTTE supporters will be shot or strung on lampposts. No need to worry about others having to fit into Eelam gun-culture. That is why I want to promote Eelam morality to India. I would look forward to Tamils suicide-bombing Kannadigas, Brahmins suicide-bombing non-Brahmins, Thevars recruiting child-soldiers to murder Dalits and vice versa, Muslims stringing Christians and Hindus on lampposts, etc.